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Can his separated wife make him choose between me and his kids?

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Dawizzy146 · 13/12/2019 16:04

Advice needed please. I am with a man who has been separated from his wife for 3 years. He has 2 biological children from his marriage plus 1 stepson. We have had a great relationship for the past few years and he was going to ask for a divorce with it being 2 years separation. Also his son and daughter go to the same school as my daughter so we have had days out too as a family. He has never told his wife he was in a new relationship as everything was plain and simple and worked well. Anyhow she has found out through the wonders of facebook that he is in a relationship with me and all out war has started. She has given him an ultimatum, it's either keep me or his kids. Can she do this? Is there anything legal he can do so he keeps both? I'm so down over it and not eating or sleeping due to the worry of it all. Any advice would be great thanks x

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ScreamingLadySutch · 14/12/2019 10:04

Why do women listen to men's bullshit!

Seriously, wives are not angry upset shrews because they are bonkers and vindictive.

They are angry and upset because THEY HAVE BEEN FUCKED OVER AND THEIR CHILDREN HAVE BEEN FUCKED OVER.

Whether abused, lied to, betrayed or disrespected.

Along comes another woman, believes his bullshit and either unwittingly or thoughtlessly, adds to the pain.

Why don't we have common sense? Why don't we look at the information in front of us (Wives are not furious and children are not surly and withdrawn because they split amicably or he is a misunderstood nice guy). Why don't we implement boundaries (I will not be a secret)? Why do we put our needs and desires, over the respectful treatment of other people, especially children?

I really wish we would wise up as people.

HandsOffMyRights · 14/12/2019 10:08

Agree Screaming Don't like the narrative that the ex is somehow "nuts."

youwereagoodcakeclyde · 14/12/2019 10:14

I’m not surprised she’s annoyed. If an ex had a new girlfriend for 2 years! This girlfriend was another parent at school! Who had taken my kids on days out, with their kids! They still didn’t tell me and I had to find out on Facebook.
Why had no one told me?
Why is my ex lying?
Was anyone hoping for reconciliation?
What did all the kids involved think was happening?

Send nice message, apologise for deception and say you’ll not get in way of children’s relationship with their father.

ChristmasSweet · 14/12/2019 10:20

Does the ex wife being upset at the ex husband give her the right to verbally abuse the op? No. She's aiming her anger at the wrong person. And by telling him to choose between his relationship or his children, she is again showing her immaturity.

Yes she was lied to. That does not give her the right to act this way.

Hurdygurdy24 · 14/12/2019 10:20

Their mum can't dictate that he never takes them round to granny's..

Mine does. If I want any contact at all I mustn’t let the kids see any of the rest of the extended family. No reason other than she “worries” that my family will say nasty things to the kids about her.

They wouldn’t do that in a million years.

She regularly withholds contact to make a point or get her own way and would undoubtedly stop the very limited contact I have if she found out they had been to Grannies.

The court order isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. The mum can dictate what she likes and no one will do anything about it. I am not the only one on this thread saying the same thing yet many don’t seem to get that she can literally do what she likes.

Zaphodsotherhead · 14/12/2019 10:29

Yes, actually HurdyGurdy24, you are right, the mum can ask that they not go to granny's, but I'd be interested in the reason that the mum has given for that. It might give OP an insight into what's going on underneath all this. If her DP's ex wants the children under her eye at all times, I'd be asking questions about what the 'D'P may have done for this to be the case.

Ex wife may just be exerting control, of course. Or she may be genuinely worried about her XH. Or his family.

So what reason, OP, does the wife have for not allowing the children to see their granny? Does it sound plausible? Is granny allowed to see the children at their home?

Techway · 14/12/2019 10:41

Op, I can see a situation where the DC have been told about you and their Dad and are upset so telling their mum they won't see him again. If your bf struggles with accepting responsibility for his behaviour he will blame his wife.

Hurdygurdy24, how old are the children?

There comes a time when the children vote with their feet or make their voices heard. My DC can articulate their wishes and most children at 8 or 9 would do so.

If they are afraid of mum then it HAS to go back to court and cafcass will pick up on it.
They also take a dim view of parents withholding access but in my experience the underlying cause is not the resident parent but the children who don't want to see the other parent or grandparents.

On the flip side there are also many, many mums who can't enforce contact orders as dads refuse to step up, for reasons such as their social life and the children are temporarily discarded. I suspect this scenario is more common.

Warmfirechocolate · 14/12/2019 10:47

@Hurdygurdy24 your ex might be doing that out of spite, but sometimes there is a legitimate concern about the concern about the child.

I ‘restrict’ my DSs contact with the ILs, because they are poisonous and put DS in danger. Ex would say I’m a controlling witch.

I don’t actually say he can’t bring them to ILs, I don’t tell him to do anything. I have asked politely that he not take DS to them but rather ask him to encourage them to see DS outside of their house at his activities etc. And I’ve strongly encouraged them to come to my home to see DS too.

This is because I was okay with it until some worrying incidents happened that Ex lied to me about and covered up. He refuses to talk to me about them point blank as he’s decided I’m a witch. However he doesn’t take DS to see them very much at all, which makes me think he may deep down see that DS needs protecting. But who knows as I’m blamed for being a witch as he basically lacks the balls to stand up to his own family and say that the incidents which happened shouldn’t happen again.

Bouledeneige · 14/12/2019 10:50

I really hate it when mothers behave like this. Using the kids as a weapon shows no love or care for their mental wellbeing. We always need to be guided by what's best for them - they will know and judge her when they are older. And they will wonder why he didn't fight for them too.

Your DP does need to get himself organised and get his head out if the sand. He needs to provide a proper home for his kids to stay at for regular contact. Being mcDonalds and day out Dad is not proper parenting. He needs to be in a place where they can watch TV, play games, do their homework and be looked after when they are ill. And he shouldnt be relying on moving in with you to provide that.he should have been saving up and getting his parenting right.

He also needs to get legal advice , start the divorce proceedings and get an access order - ideally this starts at 50:50 but for practical reasons often people land at every other weekend plus an evening in the week. But for this he needs a home to provide proper care. In order for him to provide a home it may well be that they have to see their home and divide the proceeds to fund two homes. It's not dimple it easy.

Your DH must have known it was not ever simply going to be about moving in with you and getting his next home provided. It sounds like he's been coasting but divorce does require serious hard work to sort it out and that starts now. If he really wants to move on.

And actually as a courtesy he should have told her he was in a relationship and told her that the kids were meeting you. She should not have had to find out from social media - that's very disrespectful. If he'd given it thought he would have worked that one out. So now he needs to apologise, and start being a adult and get on with the divorce. If he's up to it?! Crying etc. Well, he's not really being a grown up is he? Is he really ready or has he been sticking his head in the sand?

AlternativePerspective · 14/12/2019 11:08

Surely the issues here are separate though?

There certainly are women who use their children as weapons against their ex’s, and claiming that a woman would only do this for valid reasons is both inaccurate and playing into the hands of women who believe they should have the right to use their children like this. It’s not palatable but it’s more common than people acknowledge here.

With this particular ex we don’t actually know whether she has said these things or whether the partner has told the OP that’s what she’s said, so it’s not possible to judge her as a vindictive ex on that basis.

The other issue though is the OP’s relationship with this man. They have taken their children out on days out, they believe somehow that the children don’t know they’re together. Of course they know. Children aren’t stupid, and they will all have friends who have step parents etc. My DS was ten when I first introduced him to my DP. I did introduce him as a friend to start with but within a couple of days he asked me if we would get married one day. Grin Children aren’t stupid.

Also, telling children that they should never keep secrets from their parents is a fundamental basis for parenting. No child should ever be told that they should keep something secret from mummy or daddy. Ever. Because while it might be daddy’s new girlfriend now, it could be that they’re being abused tomorrow and how are they supposed to distinguish between those two when their parent has given them permission, requested even that they keep a secret from someone?

But secrecy is the cornerstone of this relationship isn’t it? The OP is a secret, the relationship is a secret. The days out are a secret, the whole thing is built on lies and dishonesty with an undertone of mistrust because everyone has to be secret from everyone else.

It’s not a healthy basis for either a relationship or to bring up children. And if nothing else the OP should be considering what all of this will be doing to her own child’s view of the world.

croprotationinthe13thcentury · 14/12/2019 11:41

If he only sees kids at her house then, yes, she can stop him seeing them as she can stop him going in her house.
His only way would be to get custody or a care order for shared custody. He would likely be granted this but only if he can put a roof over their heads.

ACouchOfOnesOwn · 14/12/2019 12:05

Christmas she didn't verbally abuse the OP. The OP received abusive messages from the wife's facebook account. Anyone could have sent them including the bf who spends so much time at the wife's house and now suddenly has a reason not to get a divorce. Hmm

Sotiredofthislife · 14/12/2019 13:19

Why have you been kept some kind of guilty secret for the last few years?

FruitcakeOfHate · 14/12/2019 13:31

Your boyfriend is a wally. And he's also feeding you a pretty classic script and keeping you sweet with a few Happy Families times.

I think you're being played here.

user1481840227 · 14/12/2019 14:55

Bouledeneige, it's not simply a courtesy to tell your ex, it is in the childrens best interests to tell the ex so that the kids are not being put in an awkward position.

ChristmasSweet · 14/12/2019 15:20

ACouchOfOnesOwn of course it could have been her ex husband sending the abusive messages. It could also have been one of the kids, her pet cat, her neighbour, etc. Come on. Seriously? Hmm Are you the ex wife by any chance? You are determined for it to be ops fault.

IdiotInDisguise · 14/12/2019 15:50

I would think the fact the ex wife has messaged the op with abuse on Facebook negates the fact idea that she is a scapegoat and is a victim in all of this.

Nah, being aggressive doesn’t equal being a victim. My BF’s ex was happy to make up I was the OW even when she left him 2 years before we met. You should have seen the barrage of texts demanding him to “confess” he had a girlfriend... a year after her petition to divorce was approved. We still get some bursts of jealousy years later. Some people are so territorial they cannot face the idea that their ex is moving on, particularly if they are still single.

ChristmasSweet · 14/12/2019 16:35

IdiotInDisguise that's my point. She has verbally abused op in messages. Yet people on here think she is some kind of victim and being used as a scapegoat. No, sending abuse is wrong. She was wrong to do that and it makes her look bonkers.

IdiotInDisguise · 14/12/2019 17:22

Sorry @christmassweet, as soon as I pressed “post” I realised we were actually on the same side Blush

I need a delete button some times..

ChristmasSweet · 14/12/2019 18:11

Don't worry easy mistake to make. Smile I was confused, read through what I said incase I made a mistake and was like 'but that's what I said.' Grin

Hopingtobeamum · 15/12/2019 22:10

I'd suggest getting legal advise ASAP.
Don't stand for this bullshit

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