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Can his separated wife make him choose between me and his kids?

171 replies

Dawizzy146 · 13/12/2019 16:04

Advice needed please. I am with a man who has been separated from his wife for 3 years. He has 2 biological children from his marriage plus 1 stepson. We have had a great relationship for the past few years and he was going to ask for a divorce with it being 2 years separation. Also his son and daughter go to the same school as my daughter so we have had days out too as a family. He has never told his wife he was in a new relationship as everything was plain and simple and worked well. Anyhow she has found out through the wonders of facebook that he is in a relationship with me and all out war has started. She has given him an ultimatum, it's either keep me or his kids. Can she do this? Is there anything legal he can do so he keeps both? I'm so down over it and not eating or sleeping due to the worry of it all. Any advice would be great thanks x

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BercowsFestiveFlamingo · 13/12/2019 16:55

Something doesn't add up here at all. How old are you all? How old are the kids? Why hasn't he got his own place?

Hurdygurdy24 · 13/12/2019 16:57

*Legally, no she can't do this - your partner can take her to court.

In practice, if she's determined to thwart contact, she can. My husband was in a very similar situation and has a court order relating to his kids from his first marriage. His ex has found ways of sabotaging contact anyway.

If he lets her dictate to him in this way, he'll never be free of her, and he won't be able to have a serious relationship until his kids are adults. So I'd argue that standing up to her is the right thing to do. But he may find she undermines or destroys contact anyway, court or not.*

100% this. Those saying its as simple as going to court or being adults have clearly never had to deal with a totally unreasonable Mother to their or their partners children.

In this world of equality and equal rights for all I am afraid to say that an unreasonable mother can still completely dictate what contact (if any) a Dad has with his kids. Even when the kids are saying themselves that they want to see him.

Thankfully most people are reasonable and behave in the best interests of the children. I would say there is actually something pretty unhinged about a mother who actively denies her kids a healthy relationship with a father who wants to take an active and meaningful part in his children upbringing.

Court orders, and parental responsibility count for nothing if the Mum wants to be awkward.

All the above obviously assumes the Dad isn't violent, abusive, constantly pissed etc etc.

PortiaCastis · 13/12/2019 16:57

He needs legal advice and those children need some sort of stability as all this isn't fair on them.

lovemenorca · 13/12/2019 16:59

* Something doesn't add up here at all. How old are you all? How old are the kids? Why hasn't he got his own place?*

Agreed

Hurdygurdy24 · 13/12/2019 17:00

Having said all that, this does sound a bit odd and like there is a bit more to it.

If he wants regular contact with his kids e really needs his own place with rooms for them so they can have some stability.

QueenoftheBiscuitTin · 13/12/2019 17:01

He needs to grow a spine and go to court.

Elvesdontdomagic · 13/12/2019 17:02

There's holes in this story. How old are you OP, if you were at school the year before you got together? How old is he? Why did he keep you a secret from his ex wife? Why do they still spend so much time together as a family unit if he's with you?

ACouchOfOnesOwn · 13/12/2019 17:02

She can't make him choose but as PPs have said, there's a lot that isn't adding up here eg him going to her house all the time to see the DCs; him living with his parents instead of getting a place of his own; him keeping you secret. All of that points to him not actually having fully separated from her when you thought he did. Have you had a conversation with her? I have a funny feeling her view may be very different from his.
Also, when you say social services were involved with the step-son, was this because of an incident between your bf and the step-son? If so, then she may have a basis for supervised contact.

Dawizzy146 · 13/12/2019 17:03

We are in our mid forties, the kids are 9 and 8 and due to his financial situation and his mum offering he went to stop there.

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lovemenorca · 13/12/2019 17:05

You’ve been making the children keep it a secret?

Dawizzy146 · 13/12/2019 17:06

Plus I was talking about the kids at school and that's where we got talking as I am divorced

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PortiaCastis · 13/12/2019 17:07

Will somebody think about the children!

Dawizzy146 · 13/12/2019 17:08

No secrets, we just spent time together

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AlternativePerspective · 13/12/2019 17:08

So, he hasn’t yet filed for divorce after three years, is still living with his mother and spending regular time with his ex, doesn’t have space in the house for his children and yet has been telling you you’re all going to be a family?

Wake up OP. He has no intentions of being with you ever. I’d suggest that perhaps he and the ex might be technically separated but potentially trying to reconcile hence why you’re his dirty little secret. And she probably hasn’t threatened him with not seeing the kids at all. She probably still doesn’t know about you, but if they’re on the verge of getting back together then the kids can’t know that you’re still on the scene. And stopping seeing anyone is probably the ultimatum she’s given him for giving their relationship another go.

GiveHerHellFromUs · 13/12/2019 17:08

If the kids are 6 and 9 they'll know you're not just friends. How old are your kids? Does he spend time at yours? You really think kids don't discuss things?

lovemenorca · 13/12/2019 17:09

Oh come on op
You’ve been seeing him for years and you’re trying to tell us the children never let it slip?

lovemenorca · 13/12/2019 17:09

Unless you swore then to secrecy

BercowsFestiveFlamingo · 13/12/2019 17:09

Poor kids. No child should have to keep secrets. My exH didn't get his own place when we split and 7 years later he still doesn't have a proper home and the kids judge him harshly on that.
The kids should be coming first. What is he playing at after 3 years?

ACouchOfOnesOwn · 13/12/2019 17:10

I think he's been lying OP. It's a mighty big co-incidence that you thought your relationship had reached the point where he was going to ask for a divorce and 'suddenly' his 'wife' has found out about you and threatened to stop contact. So instead of pushing for a divorce, he's now going to be pushing back asking you to keep the relationship secret again.

PortiaCastis · 13/12/2019 17:11

Children are not stupid they'll tell their Mum what they've been seeing and doing and she will obviously react

Dawizzy146 · 13/12/2019 17:12

No they didn't let it slip actually

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GiveHerHellFromUs · 13/12/2019 17:13

I thought they didn't know? So they didn't know or they didn't let it slip?

Dawizzy146 · 13/12/2019 17:15

Both

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lovemenorca · 13/12/2019 17:16

* No they didn't let it slip actually*

Do you did tell them not to say anything

All adults in this scenario are behaving poorly

PortiaCastis · 13/12/2019 17:16

OP you're not privy to conversations between children and their Mother so cannot know what has been said and I do hope these kids are not being told to keep secrets