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Reconciliation after estrangement?

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Albinoni · 30/11/2019 10:39

I have NC'd for this but have posted in the past about my relationship with DD1 and was grateful for the advice and support which I received. The posts have since been deleted, at my request, but some of you may remember 'Lobster Boy', and my concerns that DD was in a controlling relationship and that I risked losing her.

Unfortunately, my fears were justified as DD seemed to become more and more withdrawn from the family, saying that her BF was her family now. She ghosted all of the family entirely for six months - apparently she just blocked us all - then there were occasional calls and she did send birthday cards etc. She moved house without providing an address and we didn't see her for two and a half years. I cannot begin to describe how painful that period was for me and DH and her sisters, but those of you who have been through this process of living bereavement will understand.

Anyway, the good news is that there has been a reconciliation following a lunch on neutral ground, in a restaurant, earlier this year (she lives hundreds of miles away from us). Prior to that, she had provided her address, so that we could send some books to her which are relevant to a course which she is intending to take next year. At the lunch, she said that they had married the previous year, and we said how pleased we were, and contact continued to improve.

The following month they asked if they could borrow some money to put towards buying a property and we agreed. Shortly after that, DD told me she was expecting a baby (due any day now), which I was overjoyed about. Then, a few weeks after that - and this is the part I am really struggling with - we received a letter from DD and SIL enclosing photos of the 14 month old which they already had. The accompanying letter was quite upsetting as it said they hadn't told us about DGC because they didn't want her to experience broken relationships and they hadn't been sure whether or not they wanted us involved at all, but they felt guilty at taking our money and not telling us about DGC.

DD and I subsequently had an emotional conversation and, since then, DD has been in contact with me virtually every day with messages and photos and is behaving almost as though nothing has happened. She says I can't think about the past or what I have missed and clearly wants to move forward. I know that she is right in that we cannot change the past and she assures me that she definitely does want us to be involved.

But I am in such turmoil over this. Obviously I am thrilled and excited about the reconciliation and the DGC, but I feel so desperately hurt and upset that she didn't tell any of us about all of these things, especially as I believed that we were close before. I am really struggling, to be honest, although it's early days and there is a lot to come to terms with.

We haven't met DGC1 yet as I think we both felt that it would be better to wait for the baby to be born and then meet them both together, when the emotions have died down a bit. The last thing I want to do is cause her any stress at this time and I sense that they are anxious at our meeting her PILs for the first time. I am also anxious about it, although they sound like lovely people and have been very supportive to DD. But goodness knows what they must think of us. I am also worried about becoming attached to the DGC in case they are taken away from me. I just couldn't put myself through all that again.

So I was wondering if anyone could give me advice if you have been in a similar situation. How easy was it to reconcile? Did the whole family reconcile or was it a piecemeal process? Did you involve any professional help, such as a counsellor or family mediator? Has it worked out? Are things the same and can the relationship ever really recover or is it just different? I really don't want to mess this up, as I have realised how fragile relationships can be, but I am feeling a bit overwhelmed.

OP posts:
springydaff · 14/03/2020 19:50

I'm disappointed LB's parents weren't more switched on. They seem naive. I was hoping they'd be swashbuckling, planning a rescue, you four - it seemed like it when they went to the effort of contacting you at the hotel. Maybe they're treading carefully - but you can't know the line they have been fed.

Or, actually, you can 🙄

Menstrualcycledisplayteam · 14/03/2020 22:01

I think your DD1 must know, even subconsciously, where the truth lies, otherwise why would she have dropped contact with her sisters? She has to put you all on the outside to continue with her "truth". She'll be posting on here in a couple of years about her lazy asshole of a husband and how he isolated her from her family. Glad you're back safely OP; I've posted under slightly more tasteful usernames before. I wish you and your family all the best; stay safe.

SirVixofVixHall · 14/03/2020 23:14

I have been thinking of this again today.
Albinoni, remember that LB’s motivation in letting you see the dgds is almost certainly still financial. He will be tactical, because your dd is worried about her father, and he needs to keep the higher ground by looking as though he welcomed you, but he only wants your money.

He is such an abnormal person, it is an impossible situation.
I really hope that at some point your dd faces all the hurt though. Was she with you when you saw the wedding picture ?

Sending all my good wishes for your DH’s treatment, and some peaceful time with your other daughters now.

Albinoni · 15/03/2020 08:30

Thank you everybody for your replies and for giving me perspective.

First, with regard to the photo, I asked LB about it - I hadn't met his mother, so asked who was in the photo with DD. I don't think it was intended to be cruel. It was one of a number of photos displayed on the window ledge, which included photos of DD and LB at their graduations and even one of DH and me and our families on our wedding day - I didn't even know that she had it.

Gutterton - I agree that it is not useful to share our hurt with DD right now as, if she acknowledged it or accepted that she had 'wronged' us in any way, it would be going against/a betrayal of LB, who has taught her that she is right to treat us as she has done. It was clear on day 1 that he is still nursing a grudge from when I made him leave our house - five years ago now - after he seemed to be bullying DD and she had locked herself in the bathroom to escape him. This was not a 'one off' - she was crying and upset an awful lot at that stage, which is why I was so worried about her and about the relationship. Now she just says that she had mental health problems at the time. I said on day 1 that I didn't know about mental health problems, that I acted upon what I saw, it wasn't personal although it must have seemed it, I was trying to protect my DD, as is a normal parent's reaction. There was no commitment to meet up again and we will be unable to make any plans with DH as he is, in any event, without the added complications of the virus. I think LB had probably decided that we have had our visit now, and that's it. I am happy to leave it for now, anyway, it was all a bit of a strain, to be honest.

Sushi, Random, billy, drama, mcmooberry, 5LeafClover - thank you for your comments and kind wishes for DH. Upon reflection, perhaps LB's parents were possibly a little lacking in tact, although I can see that the meeting was potentially very awkward for them too. Actually, LB's father was lovely and his mother seemed very warm and friendly too, so the initial reaction was one of immense relief. However, thinking on it since, there were a few comments which were a little insensitive. For example, they know that DH has cancer and is about to start treatment but LB's mother asked if we were planning any holidays and I said not until after treatment. They said that they knew someone who had the same cancer as DH, who had been treated with a stent, which I assumed to be a positive and encouraging remark. I said, 'Oh, how is he?' - answer 'He is not with us any more, but it worked for a while' - short embarrassing silence.

LB's mother didn't just say that she regarded DD1 as a daughter once, but three or four times, and also said she was 'a credit' to us, which I am sure she intended to be kind. But she kept telling us how DD and LB have a wonderful family, are amazing parents, they wouldn't be surprised if there were more DC, how hard working and entrepreneurial they are, how they will be successful at all they do etc, etc. It was almost as though I was being 'sold' this account of my own daughter - maybe they think we don't appreciate her.

What was slightly more hurtful was LB's mother's statement that she thought that it was she who had encouraged my DD to apply for the PGCE. She may well be right, as she teaches PGCE herself, but I did think that we supported DD in her education as well and will be giving some support for the course, so we are not totally irrelevant.

With hindsight, I think that LB's parents were very much sticking to a script, whereby they said positive things, but didn't venture into anything controversial. I did say, as it seemed a bit unnatural not to say, that we hadn't known of DGD1's existence until recently, that DD1 hadn't spoken to us for a period and still wasn't speaking to her sisters, but we wanted to resolve things and move forwards. I didn't say it to have a big conversation or go into the rights and wrongs, but it would have been odd not to say anything. They just said it was all very strange, that they didn't know much about it (which seems unlikely, although I respect their tact), but what a lovely couple, happy family, LB and DD are etc. They studiously avoided any discussion of anything remotely controversial. I said that LB had not wanted us to meet them and LB's father said that he thought LB would have considered it socially awkward. He was a lot more sensitive than LB's mother, upon reflection. Obviously, I wouldn't have said anything against LB and DD but maybe, in their position, I would have said something along the lines of that must have been difficult, but hopefully all will be well now. I think that's what they meant to convey, but obviously it was difficult for them too.

The bottom line is that they have been supportive to DD and LB, so we probably do seem to be lacking in comparison. They live close by and the DGDs are their first and only grandchildren, and the paternal grandparents are also involved and adore them. They see them at birthdays, Christmas, New Year, all the time. They are a close family unit, which we are not a part of. I just need to accept that and be pleased that DD has loving in laws and solid support.

SirVix - I think you are right. DD1 is blithely unaware of all of the grief and pain she has caused. She really just doesn't see it, not only in relation to us, but also her sisters. It's not only family, but all of her friends, formerly close, whom she has just dropped without a second thought.

Fretful - LB's mother said several times how hard they both work and made no comments about LB's lack of a job. Apart from doing his PGCE a year ago, and a placement which he gave up early, LB hasn't worked since his graduation in 2014, but his parents see them as being highly successful and entrepreneurial. I asked DD how they were managing financially and it seems that she is being paid a bursary of £200 a week whilst she does the on line course in preparation for the PGCE, and is expected to do 22 hours a week - which she does after she has put the children to bed. She seems excited about the course, which I am delighted about. Unlike LB, she really wants to study. LB told DH that he had only done the PGCE for the bursary. LB's parents have always worked, although his father has recently retired.

Jenny - I think you are absolutely right that DD wants to brush the last couple of years under the carpet and sadly, I don't think our relationship can ever be the same, although hopefully it can be better than it has been. Thank you for your wise comments and good wishes for DH.

MaybeDoctor - LB is unsure whether or not he will do his qualifying year.

LadyEloise - Thanks for your support. You are right that DDs 2 and 3 are protective of us, especially now that DH is so ill. They are angry with DD1 and don't want anything to do with her at present. I think the stress has affected DH although he doesn't acknowledge it, just bottles it up, but he felt quite poorly at the end of that highly stressful day 1.

Random - I am sorry that your childhood wasn't happy. You are obviously a lovely and forgiving person. I think it is always better to forgive if you possibly can as, otherwise, the negative thoughts are corrosive.

Gutterton - thanks for sharing the article, you are never 'way off-beam' .

springy - thank you for your wise and comforting words.

Menstrual - I also wonder DD1 will realise one day that she is doing everything and resent LB's lack of support. She reminds me of a friend of mine, who was exactly the same for many years, but has now woken up to the reality, has no respect for and is in the process of leaving her husband - encouraged by her daughters, who see the way their mother has been treated.

Sir Vix - I am sure that you are right that LB's motives are entirely financial. I would go further and say that we have only been 'allowed' contact and this visit, because of the 'loan' and agreement to offer some financial support for the PGCE. In fact, the letter which they sent with the photos of DGD1 specifically says this.The question of finance was raised on day 2, presumably by prior design. DD1 asked me outright whether or not the 'loan' to buy the second house was a gift or a loan, in which case they would prefer to pay us back in one lump sum out of the bursary. I was pleased at the offer to repay, assuming it was genuine, and didn't resent getting things out into the open, as I know they want certainty. I drew DH into the conversation as he was at the other side of the room talking to LB. We said it has to be a loan, as we are unsure of our finances at present and you are one of three, so whatever we give to you we have to give to your sisters - however, we are not chasing it at present. With regard to the course, DD1 said she thought 'the deal' had been that we pay the rent when she does her course and we confirmed that. To be honest, I was relieved that they weren't asking for anything else - they are researching getting some government loan for childcare. I suspect LB's plan is to have childcare and stay at home, save that he presumably won't have any DIY projects to work on, as they will be in rented accommodation.

Sorry this is such an epic post, but I wanted to try to reply to everybody who has taken the trouble to respond. This thread is such a help to me, as it is invaluable to gain the insight from people with independent judgement and it makes me feel a bit more 'normal' somehow.

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RandomMess · 15/03/2020 08:50

Only picking up on the money comment...

So they were hoping the loan would become a gift... so they give you the loan back out of the bursary and then you affectively pay to back in rent anyway Confused

I suspect LB will ensure that they pick a very nice rental property with a large rent bill...

TBH I would just not think about any of it focus on the good things in your life.

I'm sure DD1 will eventually get fed up of being sole parent, sole mental load carrier, sole
House keeper when LB does f*ck all. The novelty will wear off...

Gutterton · 15/03/2020 09:39

Now she just says that she had mental health problems at the time.

Classic gas-lighting to tell someone that their feelings and emotions are “wrong” and are their MH deficiency.

Those are the invisible chains he keeps her in and can yank hard if she steps out of line.

This is an abuse tactic to slowly repress her feelings and deconstruct her personality so she can serve his crazy world view compliantly. She sounds like a robotic Stepford wife, smiling inanely, mirroring his views and moods and parroting his words.

There is little that you can do until she sees the light. Just keep emotionally detached to preserve your sanity and conserve your headspace and energy for your DH but keep an open communication connection.

Maybe ask that she send photos and emails to a joint email address (you can set one up) for you a your DH as you need the phone clear for hospital communications. Then your DH can open and reply every few days if he wants from both of you. You need days of distance to be able to detach you don’t need to be high jacked and triggered by her stuff coming through. It’s not good for you. You need this boundary.

So they still got their agenda re the money and seeing the DGD as they planned. They really are cold.

Would you have dared say to her that you didn’t want to talk about money right now? I am just curious about how much of a boundary you are prepared to put down with her. But I think that you were v clear and assertive about the house loan and the PGCE rent gift and this must be a great relief for you now.

I do think that the PGCE year will be a really important opportunity for your DD1 to get back into society. Do they have any friends or social contact - does she take the DGD to any social activities? I also think that the childcare discussions are great as his lazy hands off parenting will backfire once the DGDs are in the system.

I don’t know what to make of the ILs. I suspect one of them is narcissistic (possibly the DM) but as they are always masters of the initial charm offensive it’s hard to tell. Not sure if much of their actions play into it and if they did would there be anything you could do anyway? Maybe their “only” agenda is to keep DD1 sweet as she keeps him stable and off their backs if they have said he is “difficult”. So it is in their interest to big-up and support the RS, to turn a blind eye and be in denial. They are his enablers - they do this to keep his rage and wrath from them. They must have been delighted / relieved when your DD1 entered his life so that they are buffered from him.

It is v painful that they have a v involved life with you DD1 and DGDs day to day and have been through all of the main events.

In many ways nothing has changed but a lot of ground has been covered. Things really are as you saw them and predicted. You will never get an apology or acknowledgement for the hurt they have caused. They will likely hurt you again and again if you let them so be v v careful. Distance, detach, dignity - turn to the good people in your life. They need you more now.

SirVixofVixHall · 15/03/2020 10:02

I actually can’t get my head around the entitlement. That actual grown adults in their mid twenties, who have shunned you for years and not even told you where they live, let one set of grandparents see their babies but not you, have the cheek to still want your cash. I think I would have gone incandescent with anger at that point OP. You are amazingly calm and clear headed.
In your place I would not be giving any money. They can stand on their own two feet. He could get a job and bloody well support his children like every other adult. I would not want a relationship that was a financial transaction. Your daughter should be seeing you out of love, not out of financial interest.

I am stunned. It is appalling, given your DH’s health, that cash came up at all. Honestly Albi, it is just appalling and however much you want things to be ok, this isn’t a relationship.
I think LBs parents know he is a feckless waste of space, hence the endless bigging him up.
The one other thing that struck me, is the mention of “mental health problems” .Has your dd seen anyone about that, do you know ? Because that is the absolute definition of Gaslighting. Has LB convinced your dd that she was mentally ill ?
I keep coming back though, to the constant rearranging of your visit, not allowing you to see your dd in hospital, all the stress of that , then the sudden turnaround once you said that your relationship needed to not be based on finances, and DH’s illness.
He is playing you, and your dd is going along with it. I can see she is manipulated, vulnerable and isolated, but she is still asking you for cash on the second day of your visit, and clearly feels completely entitled to your money, and has no shame in this. This is very, very wrong.
Does she mention her sisters, or her friends ? That she dumped everyone for LB ?

SirVixofVixHall · 15/03/2020 10:03

I cross posted with Gutterton

Gutterton · 15/03/2020 10:16

The basic principles are still at play - he wants your money, he needs to isolate your DD1 from all of her friends and family.

You are all his biggest threat and biggest challenge because he knows you all have a v strong deep loving bond in your family and he needs to break that to isolate and have total control of her. He managed that for 5 years. He did it systematically if you look at it closely. Set up a row with you and then another involving DD2.

But he wants your cash so has had to reverse his plan, reconnect and expose DD1 to you. In his world this is a high risk strategy and risks undoing all of his hard work - but his intention was this was a one off meeting until the money is agreed or transferred. Doubt that your DD1 is aware of this.

But I can see this backfiring because her love is still there and will have been stirred up by your DH illness and seeing you both with her DDs. If he try’s to isolate her now she will suffer and hopefully rebel.

How would your other DDs feel about making contact now to start a love offensive campaign? This might be a window to shine a light on and rattle their dysfunctional situation?

MaybeDoctor · 15/03/2020 10:26

My feeling about the parents is a combination of:

  • Everything is rosy from their point of view - they have LB and his gorgeous children close by - so sheer blissful selfishness means that they don't really stop to consider that it looks very different from where you are standing.

  • Your DD has been a revelation to them in that (compared to LB) she relates to them politely, kindly and normally - hence the repeated remarks about her being a 'credit' to you.

  • They have been fed a different story about the issues between DD and your family. Perhaps they were told that you are unreasonable or have 'cut off' from her.

  • With regards to work, LB is almost certainly going to big his current situation to his own parents. He has probably told them that he is trading bitcoin or something equally impenetrable that they are unlikely to question.

  • The apple hasn't fallen that far from the tree in terms of difficulties relating to others or inability to see the world from another person's point of view.

SirVixofVixHall · 15/03/2020 10:36

Agree MaybeDoctor

Grohnjant · 15/03/2020 12:01

Morning Albinoni
I’m not surprised they brought up the financial situation as that , after all, is his only motivation. I bet it isn’t even about the money as such now it’s about getting back at you for what he perceives as your failing all those years ago. It is however a positive that she had pictures of you on show, she obviously does still loves you all.

With regard to the wedding picture, we had a similar feeling as our whole family were completely excluded from our DD s 21st birthday celebrations . She and her BF were living 100s of miles away but we tried to arrange to go and see her , take her out for a meal , whatever she wanted. All suggestions where simply ignored/brushed aside . Instead we sent a huge parcel full of lovely gifts from the whole family/friends including from her beloved , very elderly grandma ( my mum) who was extremely ill at the time . I had a very curt “ thank you for the presents “ text back. 2 weeks later my mum passed away and DD did come home for the funeral but really didn’t seem that upset and was quite detached from us all . She was flashing around pictures of her celebrating her birthday in a fancy restaurant with BFs “amazing “ grandma . It was as though she had just transferred any love and loyalty over to his family . It was so painful. Basically she had discarded her grandma in the last year of her life . I still find that hard to deal with as they had so a close relationship previously.

It’s like you say you can forgive for yourself but find it hard to forgive the hurt caused to others you love .

We also had the “ mental health “ excuse . Our DD , like yours , kept ringing up really upset by the way he treated her and the things he did ( some of which we witnessed so know she wasn’t exaggerating) . He absolutely hated her speaking to me about it all but he’d isolated her from everyone else and I was the “last one standing” so to speak .
I then got a text from him saying that he had “identified” some real mental health issues with her very early on in their relationship but it was ok because he was now taking her to the drs to “finally” get her the help she had needed for a very long time. Clearly implied that we’d failed to help her ( but of course she didn’t have any issues before she met him!!) So after that when ever she was upset about things he’d done she would actually say “it’s not his fault mum it’s me, I’m crazy “ ☹️

I also agree the apple didn’t fall far from the tree regarding LB’s/ his parents. Staggering lack of empathy from them .

Sorry that this post has turned out to be all about me, I didn’t mean it to but so many things seem similar to your situation and I was hoping to make you feel less alone with it all.

At least the visit is over, you managed it amazingly well. You have had some communication with them and have given some clarity around what they can expect from you financially.

Appalling that they expect anything really though.

Sending love to you, DH , DD2 and DD3. Hope there is no delay to treatment starting and that he tolerates it well.

Wishing you a calm peaceful Sunday 💖

LadyEloise · 15/03/2020 12:12

Grohnjant
How sad re your daughter. Has she seen the light yet ?
It's incredible how everyone they cared about, the morals they were brought up with- kindness, respect etc are secondary or go out the window when they meet manipulative partners.

Why ?Sad

SirVixofVixHall · 15/03/2020 13:24

I think the wedding picture of you on the windowsill OP, shows how incredibly detached she is, to have that on show, as thought everything is ok, but not to have any real relationship with you, is extremely odd . To most people that would be very painful. When I had the period of estrangement from my family I had to put pictures away as they hurt too much and made me cry.
It is the impression of normality, with the actions of the opposite.

Gutterton · 15/03/2020 14:00

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_abuse

I think she has been psychologically dismantled, eroded, numbed by him. Lots resonating on the attached link.

Normal rules and expectations don’t apply.

Gutterton · 15/03/2020 14:01

It doesn’t excuse her behaviour but might explain it.

Grohnjant · 15/03/2020 14:08

**LadyEloise
Sadly the situation got much much worse . Even though we continued with emotional and financial support each time we had any interaction she ( or he ) came back with an even nastier response, They both started telling lies about us on social media which could be easily disproved but each lie got more and more outrageous and I worried where it would stop . It was bizarre . I sent her a message saying we’d always love her but had the step away for my own health ( I was , and thankfully still am , in remission from cancer )
I had a lot of counselling as essentially had lost both my mum and daughter in the space of 2 months .
With hindsight I can see I played straight into her BFs hands by stepping away but the cost to me and my relationships with my DH( her dad ) and DS (themselves upset at the loss of a daughter and sister) was just too great .

We have had no contact with her now for over a year . We have sent Christmas and birthday cards to last known address but doubt they are still there ( their life was v chaotic )
I have no idea why she turned against everyone and everything but it certainty seems to be a thing that can happen. It’s heartbreaking .

Gutterton · 15/03/2020 14:14

From the link:

“Most victims of psychological abuse within intimate relationships often experience changes to their psyche and actions. This varies throughout the various types and lengths of emotional abuse. Long-term emotional abuse has long term debilitating effects on a person's sense of self and integrity.”

Gutterton · 15/03/2020 14:25

Grohnjant your experience is horrific and you have all been v v badly treated. You can only keep an open communication if doesn’t destroy you and you have done 100% the right thing with to withdraw. This is likely a v long game these addictive toxic trauma bonded RS last decades. You need to find the right balance of having an open door, not inadvertently facilitating or enabling the RS, protecting yourself and family from abuse whilst turning your back on the horror to lead a meaningful, loving and joyous life with the rest of your family. It’s a v v hard balance to strike, to find the strength to not be consumed by it. Sometimes it’s not possible at the current time and you need to close off to re-group and prioritise loved ones.

Grohnjant · 15/03/2020 14:26

Gutterton thanks for the link ,
That is so scary . I find it hard to understand how they all seem to operate in a similar fashion from such a young age .

Grohnjant · 15/03/2020 14:30

Cross posted with you Gutterton. Thank you, you always give such great advice and I have been vicariously gaining insight and support through Albinoni’s thread . Thanks to her and you and everyone else who posts on here . Xxx

buzzofthebumblebee · 15/03/2020 17:39

De-lurking to say this is one of the most powerful and heart-wrenching threads I have read on MN. @Albinoni, I have nothing but admiration and respect for the way you have dealt with such an emotional situation over the years. You are an absolutely amazing woman. The love you have for your family shines through in every post. You all so don't deserve your DH's diagnosis. Wishing you courage and strength Flowers

Passmethefrazzles · 16/03/2020 00:02

Dear Albinoni
I’m a bit of a lurker, I’ve only been lured out of my shell a couple of times to comment, when something strikes an emotional chord. I stumbled on your thread almost by accident while trying to find a non virus related thread. A couple of pages in I had to put my iPad down to process what I was reading, and to reassure myself that I wasn’t just going to read and run, because surely the point of this forum is a safe place to download one’s anxieties and receive advice and support. Do I have anything helpful to contribute? I don’t know if I have but I am so heartened to see the incredibly intelligent (academically and emotionally speaking) advice. There are women on here who have been in similar situations and their knowledge and empathy is so valid and meaningful. There are others who I assume have some professional perspective and offer very constructive plans of action. Then there are the women like me, who are just ordinary mums and grandmas but we understand that no one has the power to hurt us like the children we bore.
I think Gutterton, SirVix, Springydaff (to name just a few) are doing well as mentors and the rest of us are proud to feel we could be your cheerleaders.
Your modestly mentioned tale of the Romanian girl who still regards you as a surrogate mother speaks volumes. You must never, ever doubt that you have been as good a mother as anyone could hope to be.
Clearly your daughter is under LB’s control, but I suspect that has suited her in many ways. As a wiser contributor has already said on here, You cannot reason with LB because he is not normal, nor is the situation.
I cried when I reached your posts about your DH’s diagnosis, and I’m sure I’ll be far from alone in remembering you both in my prayers.
You have an army of supporters sending you much love, which I hope will help you through these difficult times.
God bless x

Albinoni · 16/03/2020 06:09

@Grohnjant - I am so, so sorry about your situation, as I know how these things can tear you apart, from the inside out. It's the uncertainty which is the worst thing.

What I will say - and what I genuinely believe - is that I don't believe that you will be estranged from your DD forever. My situation has a lot of parallels with yours and it is clear, from the communication with my DD since we have been 'reconciled', that the estrangement was never intended to be permanent. I doubt very much yours does either.

I do think that some of our young adult children are like giant toddlers, pushing boundaries, trying to gain control. And some of it is thoughtlessness and a sort of careless cruelty. If you are young and feel in charge of the agenda, you may think that there are endless tomorrows. Some people just lack imagination and empathy or, in other words, they are simply selfish.

Your DD knows that you will always be there for her, as yours is an unconditional love. That's why she can and has taken it for granted. She feels secure so she doesn't need to do anything to earn your continued love.

She will be back, have no doubts about that, and if she is anything like my DD, will just expect to go on as before, as though the estrangement had never happened.

My advice, for what it is worth, is to take a step back, deep breaths, and take good care of yourself. DH's diagnosis has confirmed my view that we just need to live, a day at a time, and embrace the joy to be found in each day. Daffodil

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billybagpuss · 16/03/2020 07:43

@Albinoni, you have a wonderful strong soul and your last post is lovely
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I didn’t respond yesterday, I tried to several time but I just couldn’t find the words. Just still wishing you all, all the best.

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