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Reconciliation after estrangement?

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Albinoni · 30/11/2019 10:39

I have NC'd for this but have posted in the past about my relationship with DD1 and was grateful for the advice and support which I received. The posts have since been deleted, at my request, but some of you may remember 'Lobster Boy', and my concerns that DD was in a controlling relationship and that I risked losing her.

Unfortunately, my fears were justified as DD seemed to become more and more withdrawn from the family, saying that her BF was her family now. She ghosted all of the family entirely for six months - apparently she just blocked us all - then there were occasional calls and she did send birthday cards etc. She moved house without providing an address and we didn't see her for two and a half years. I cannot begin to describe how painful that period was for me and DH and her sisters, but those of you who have been through this process of living bereavement will understand.

Anyway, the good news is that there has been a reconciliation following a lunch on neutral ground, in a restaurant, earlier this year (she lives hundreds of miles away from us). Prior to that, she had provided her address, so that we could send some books to her which are relevant to a course which she is intending to take next year. At the lunch, she said that they had married the previous year, and we said how pleased we were, and contact continued to improve.

The following month they asked if they could borrow some money to put towards buying a property and we agreed. Shortly after that, DD told me she was expecting a baby (due any day now), which I was overjoyed about. Then, a few weeks after that - and this is the part I am really struggling with - we received a letter from DD and SIL enclosing photos of the 14 month old which they already had. The accompanying letter was quite upsetting as it said they hadn't told us about DGC because they didn't want her to experience broken relationships and they hadn't been sure whether or not they wanted us involved at all, but they felt guilty at taking our money and not telling us about DGC.

DD and I subsequently had an emotional conversation and, since then, DD has been in contact with me virtually every day with messages and photos and is behaving almost as though nothing has happened. She says I can't think about the past or what I have missed and clearly wants to move forward. I know that she is right in that we cannot change the past and she assures me that she definitely does want us to be involved.

But I am in such turmoil over this. Obviously I am thrilled and excited about the reconciliation and the DGC, but I feel so desperately hurt and upset that she didn't tell any of us about all of these things, especially as I believed that we were close before. I am really struggling, to be honest, although it's early days and there is a lot to come to terms with.

We haven't met DGC1 yet as I think we both felt that it would be better to wait for the baby to be born and then meet them both together, when the emotions have died down a bit. The last thing I want to do is cause her any stress at this time and I sense that they are anxious at our meeting her PILs for the first time. I am also anxious about it, although they sound like lovely people and have been very supportive to DD. But goodness knows what they must think of us. I am also worried about becoming attached to the DGC in case they are taken away from me. I just couldn't put myself through all that again.

So I was wondering if anyone could give me advice if you have been in a similar situation. How easy was it to reconcile? Did the whole family reconcile or was it a piecemeal process? Did you involve any professional help, such as a counsellor or family mediator? Has it worked out? Are things the same and can the relationship ever really recover or is it just different? I really don't want to mess this up, as I have realised how fragile relationships can be, but I am feeling a bit overwhelmed.

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RandomMess · 11/03/2020 09:36

I agree LB does not want you to meet his parents because they will be truthful with you and because he can no longer lie about what awful people you are. His parents have already told you that he is "difficult" I think it was - it says volumes!!

SirVixofVixHall · 11/03/2020 09:40

I am sorry it is all so hard Albinoni. I was thinking of you all yesterday, and wondering how you were.
LB is an absolute monster of a man, there is nothing else to say, he is horrible, devoid of feeling, cruel and narcissistic. Why your daughter still thinks she is in love with him is completely beyond me.
Your DH has been holding in so much stress and grief too.
I think being frank and straightforward is the only way now, as all your emotional energy is needed for your DH. You don’t want the physical toll of having to tip toe around LB.
I hope your meetings with his parents is illuminating , that today is not too gruelling, and that your dd looks at her loving, kind father, and at this creep that she has married, and sees what a massive mistake it has been.
Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers

Gutterton · 11/03/2020 09:45

I am glad to hear that your DH is feeling better this morning. I wonder if he was shocked at LB hostility as your DH has always come across as v optimistic - which is lovely but not realistic with these types.

You sound v disappointed with your DD1. Are you thinking now that she is overtly complicit in all of this rather than her being a victim of a v disordered man and behaving in a cult / Stockholm Syndrome way? Has she ever behaved like this to you all before she met LB?

When you said “they” said that seeing the DGDs was a privilege etc was she actually speaking or just nodding along?

The suggestion that the course will be cancelled due to coronavirus doesn’t ring true at all. Maybe your DD1 has asked LB to back off bringing up money on this visit as her DF is ill?

I hope that today goes as well as possible - “grey rock” technique (give him v little info proactively, and v vague v limited responses to any Qs) and imagine a v thick protective layer around you so that you are v well protected emotionally.

I suspect that some missile will be lobbed in at the goodbye stage to hurt you both. Don’t rise to it or concern yourself with the content.

The story you tell of the Romanian child doesn’t surprise me, it is obvious throughout this thread that you have a big generous heart and have been a giver throughout your life. That is why you have a lovely long marriage, are v close to DD2 and DD3 and have deep, long-standing, life-long friendships. What I am saying is that you are clearly a wonderful loving person - don’t ever doubt that. It’s just v unfortunate that your DD1 has become entangled with LB. Her behaviour to you is not a reflection of you. His type exist in society - cold, reptilian, arrogant, entitled, entrenched, bitter characters - a few of us on here have come across them. You will never change him or “win”. But every day he is slowly losing his mind and his grip by his isolation, twisted thinking etc. He will fall foul of someone, something - his neighbours, nursery, school etc. She will finally see it - but it might take decades.

So I would detach, drop the rope, turn your back on them for now to prioritise caring for your DH and surrounding yourselves with all of the love and support that will come back to you now from your family and friends.

timeisnotaline · 11/03/2020 10:08

I’m glad your dh is better today, I hope you meet his parents and that goes really well!! (I also hope he explodes when he hears to be honest.)
The virus makes it very easy to bring up the course- you say you hear colleges are postponing etc and classes will most likely be cancelled, has she been told anything?

Fretfulparent · 11/03/2020 11:23

Dear Albinoni, What an absolutely exhausting emotional day you both had - no wonder your DH had such a physical reaction.

My reflections on your updates are that LB holds grudges long term: he has rewritten the event 5yrs ago to blame you rather than acknowledge his actions in causing DD1 to sob.

The fact his parents went to so much effort to contact you is a good sign that the coffee meeting will be helpful.
I wonder how LB will react after finding out that you met his parents without his permission.

I am sure that DH is modeling how to be a perfect Dad and husband, and hopefully DD1 will reflect on that and reevaluate her life.

Regarding the hospital news. I am so sorry that the cancer has spread and that your DH has to face chemo. It is going to be very tough for you and I hope the rest of the visit today and your journey home goes smoothly without upset.

mcmooberry · 11/03/2020 12:53

Oh goodness, I feel so disappointed for how awful LB was, I had hoped he would somehow have changed, it sounds very awkward and the only positive is that your DD1 must surely not have wanted him to behave like that. I wasn't on MN 5 years ago so didn't read any of your original threads but one of the reasons I care so much about your situation is it could happen to any of us. Never in a million years would you have thought your DD1 would stay with him and 5 years later be married to him with 2 children, and I would definitely have ordered him out of the house too so I can totally identify with your stance. It is interesting that the PIL are going behind LB's back in contacting you, I hope that meeting goes ok and they have a grip on reality about LB.
I was so praying the neck mass was something benign and unrelated but hope the knowledge about the cancer rather than the uncertainty gives you strength and that the oncologists were positive about good success rates from the chemo.
Thank you for updating us and I hope you have a better day today and don't end the day feeling sad and flat. XX

5LeafClover · 11/03/2020 13:17

Thinking of you and sending you and DH strength and best wishes for today 💐💐💐

Talk of a university course starting in 2020 being cancelled due to Corona virus is definitely just speculation.

billybagpuss · 11/03/2020 13:49

So pleased DH is feeling better this morning yesterday must have been a very long day and I fear today will be similar.

How were they together? Did she seem happy and besotted with him or was there an odd dynamic between them. It’s interesting what you said about how she was different with you in the kitchen.

MondayTuesdayWednesday · 11/03/2020 16:49

@Albinoni It sounds like you had a very stressful day yesterday and worrying that your DH was so unwell last night but I'm glad to hear that he is feeling better today.

I hope today goes well for you and is less stressful. It must be difficult under the circumstances spending time with your daughter and partner. It sounds like neither of them have changed really and the comments about it being a privilege for you to meet the grandchildren and their other comments about inviting you to the house show you that. At least you know that you have done everything you can to reach out to make amends so your husband and yourself should take some comfort from that. There is only so much you can do.

Icepinkeskimo · 11/03/2020 19:04

I just wanted to offer some virtual support here. I actually read everything through yesterday and had to think on it.

Your family have really been put through the wringer by manipulating LB, however I know deep inside your a strong unit, and at some point in the future your daughter will return, LB's hold will not always be forever.

I also believe that when you met LB's parents today, the beans will be spilt. I'm wondering if LB has been lying to his parents about DD1 and family.

With regards to your husband, I hope he has a better day, what a lot you have on your plate right now.

Thinking of you and sending love, I am so sorry your going through this.

Youdreamedmydreamforme · 11/03/2020 19:18

Good luck with everything OP. So sorry for your troubles.

LadyEloise · 11/03/2020 19:33

Albinoni
Sorry to hear that your dh was unwell.
With an immune system that is now compromised it is a very worrying time for you both, take care.
You sound lovely, looking after the Romanian "orphan"
Interesting that your dd's inlaws want to meet you. They may want to throw light on their son's behaviour. He may even be diagnosed with something, though he sounds like a narcissist to me.

billybagpuss · 12/03/2020 06:13

Hope yesterday went well and that you are home safe. I imagine however it went you must be at a different level of exhaustion. Sending you best wishes and hope today can be peaceful and you’re able to relax a bit.

Gutterton · 12/03/2020 07:32

Morning Albinoni, I think that you are traveling back home today. I hope that the journey is comfortable and gives you time to reflect and hopefully some emotional relief after what has been no doubt an intense few days after many many months / years of anticipation and stress.

Know that you have done all of you can and as ever you have done it with deep love and for others.

I hope that your DH got some joy and comfort from the trip and that this will help him through his treatment.

You no doubt will be emotionally shattered and I hope that DD2 and DD3 will be able to bring you the support and love that YOU need and deserve to right now.

Thinking of you as the brave, gracious lady with the big heart who has done so much for others all her life and right now could do with some acknowledgement and a big hug.

RandomMess · 12/03/2020 07:37
Thanks

Everything Gutterton said.

You are a warrior with greatest weapon of all, love and compassion.

Take very good care of yourself.

SirVixofVixHall · 12/03/2020 08:35

Yes, echoing gutterton
Hope you are both not too exhausted, and that you will be home soon and can rest.

springydaff · 12/03/2020 11:01

What a lovely day to drive back, bright and sunny 🌺💐

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 12/03/2020 12:16

Hope all has gone well, thinking of you allFlowers

BluebellCockleshell123 · 12/03/2020 13:07

I hope the journey home goes well today Albinoni. You must both be utterly drained by the trip. I hope you both take care of yourselves this evening and have some time to wind down from it Flowers

Albinoni · 12/03/2020 21:25

Thank you so much everybody for your good wishes and incredible kindness.

We are back home now and I feel mentally and physically exhausted. DH has already been in bed for a couple of hours and I am about to follow.

I will update fully tomorrow but, basically, we are glad that we went and are very glad to be home.

Good night to you all Flowers

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itsallthedramaMickiloveit · 12/03/2020 21:27

So glad you got home safe. Hope you both get a good nights rest. DaffodilDaffodil

SirVixofVixHall · 12/03/2020 21:30

Night night Albi, hope you have a peaceful night’s sleep now.

Gutterton · 12/03/2020 21:49

Delighted to hear that you are home and resting up. Really pleased to hear that you are glad you went. That must be very satisfying even though it was an emotional endurance and I am sure there will be many reflections bubbling up over the coming days. I hope that you can take strength and comfort from your incredible efforts and also put it behind you as you face a new chapter and much more pressing priorities.

mcmooberry · 12/03/2020 22:09

Glad you are home safely, hope you sleep well in your own beds and will look forward to hearing your update once you have processed things for yourself.

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 13/03/2020 07:48

Rest up and look after yourselvesFlowers

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