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Reconciliation after estrangement?

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Albinoni · 30/11/2019 10:39

I have NC'd for this but have posted in the past about my relationship with DD1 and was grateful for the advice and support which I received. The posts have since been deleted, at my request, but some of you may remember 'Lobster Boy', and my concerns that DD was in a controlling relationship and that I risked losing her.

Unfortunately, my fears were justified as DD seemed to become more and more withdrawn from the family, saying that her BF was her family now. She ghosted all of the family entirely for six months - apparently she just blocked us all - then there were occasional calls and she did send birthday cards etc. She moved house without providing an address and we didn't see her for two and a half years. I cannot begin to describe how painful that period was for me and DH and her sisters, but those of you who have been through this process of living bereavement will understand.

Anyway, the good news is that there has been a reconciliation following a lunch on neutral ground, in a restaurant, earlier this year (she lives hundreds of miles away from us). Prior to that, she had provided her address, so that we could send some books to her which are relevant to a course which she is intending to take next year. At the lunch, she said that they had married the previous year, and we said how pleased we were, and contact continued to improve.

The following month they asked if they could borrow some money to put towards buying a property and we agreed. Shortly after that, DD told me she was expecting a baby (due any day now), which I was overjoyed about. Then, a few weeks after that - and this is the part I am really struggling with - we received a letter from DD and SIL enclosing photos of the 14 month old which they already had. The accompanying letter was quite upsetting as it said they hadn't told us about DGC because they didn't want her to experience broken relationships and they hadn't been sure whether or not they wanted us involved at all, but they felt guilty at taking our money and not telling us about DGC.

DD and I subsequently had an emotional conversation and, since then, DD has been in contact with me virtually every day with messages and photos and is behaving almost as though nothing has happened. She says I can't think about the past or what I have missed and clearly wants to move forward. I know that she is right in that we cannot change the past and she assures me that she definitely does want us to be involved.

But I am in such turmoil over this. Obviously I am thrilled and excited about the reconciliation and the DGC, but I feel so desperately hurt and upset that she didn't tell any of us about all of these things, especially as I believed that we were close before. I am really struggling, to be honest, although it's early days and there is a lot to come to terms with.

We haven't met DGC1 yet as I think we both felt that it would be better to wait for the baby to be born and then meet them both together, when the emotions have died down a bit. The last thing I want to do is cause her any stress at this time and I sense that they are anxious at our meeting her PILs for the first time. I am also anxious about it, although they sound like lovely people and have been very supportive to DD. But goodness knows what they must think of us. I am also worried about becoming attached to the DGC in case they are taken away from me. I just couldn't put myself through all that again.

So I was wondering if anyone could give me advice if you have been in a similar situation. How easy was it to reconcile? Did the whole family reconcile or was it a piecemeal process? Did you involve any professional help, such as a counsellor or family mediator? Has it worked out? Are things the same and can the relationship ever really recover or is it just different? I really don't want to mess this up, as I have realised how fragile relationships can be, but I am feeling a bit overwhelmed.

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Wallywobbles · 09/03/2020 20:11

Fully in my thoughts here. It must such an emotional few days.

Blanca87 · 09/03/2020 20:14

Sending love to you all. X

itsallthedramaMickiloveit · 09/03/2020 21:07

Thinking of you today. Hope you and DH are OK.

Albinoni · 09/03/2020 21:16

Thank you everyone, so much for your kind thoughts and good wishes. We have arrived safely, having an early night, and keeping everything crossed for tomorrow X

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RandomMess · 09/03/2020 21:19
Thanks
Gutterton · 09/03/2020 21:58

Thinking of you all and hoping for the best news. Hope that you get some sleep tonight for the day ahead of you. Deep breaths. Xx

billybagpuss · 10/03/2020 07:44

Thinking of you, I hope you get good news and are able to enjoy the time with dd1 and dgds

SirVixofVixHall · 10/03/2020 08:31

Thinking of you and your DH today Albinoni.

CharlottedeGaulle · 10/03/2020 08:52

Long time lurker here, wishing you all the best today with the results and hope your meeting with DD1 and your new granddaughters goes well. 💐

springydaff · 10/03/2020 11:58

Really thinking of you today, with you in spirit ❤️

Albinoni · 10/03/2020 23:44

Thank you everyone, for your thoughts and good wishes.

I am not going to lie, it has not been a great day. We didn't manage to speak to the hospital until after 12, so we didn't get to see DD1 and LB until after 1pm (although lunch was not scheduled until 2.30pm and they knew we were waiting on a call to the hospital).

The news from the hospital wasn't good, as the cancer has spread, but at least we are looking at treatment for one type of cancer rather than two, and chemo will start next week.

There was an uncomfortable atmosphere when we entered the house, coming from him, although DD1 was fine when we managed to have chats in the kitchen, whilst with the children etc. He was very ill at ease and made virtually no effort to engage.

There was some frank discussion, not sure whether that was good or bad. He is still clearly resentful at the events of five years ago, when I made him leave the house as DD1 was sobbing and hiding from him in the bathroom. I said it wasn't personal and I was trying to protect my daughter, as any parent would, it was a long time ago, let's move on.

They said they wouldn't throw us out as we had, as a joke but not really a joke. I shrugged my shoulders, said again it was time to move on and be positive. They said they agreed or they wouldn't have invited us to their house and I said we agreed or we wouldn't have come. This was repeated about four times.

There was mention by them what a privilege it was to see DGDs and I said that it was a privilege to have children but surely you wanted them to know their extended family. It was not fair on DGDs not to and we were as much flesh and blood as his family. I loved my DCs and potentially DGDs, although I didn't know them yet. I wanted a relationship but wasn't going to chase or beg. DD1 said they wouldn't expect it.

On the plus side, the DGDs are adorable and DD1 is a caring, capable and loving mother.

There was no talk of money and it seems that the PGCE course might, in any event, be postponed because of the virus.

We said that we would like to meet his parents, although appreciated that time was short on this visit. He said he didn't want us to, and it was up to us to have contacted them earlier and the time had now passed, it was too complicated for us to be in touch with them. I said that we had exchanged Christmas cards and that we both wanted to meet. They said that this was news to them. LB subsequently told DH that his father had just emailed to say they really wanted to meet us, but he didn't think it was a good idea.

Anyway, we got back to the hotel to find a message under the door which LB's parents had left, saying they really wanted to see us, if just for half an hour over coffee. We have exchanged messages and are due to meet for coffee tomorrow morning before DD1 and LB come over to meet us to go to the nearby park. They were also planning on going back to their house again as DD1 is cooking a meal - she has made a big effort- but I am not sure that DH will be well enough for a long day.

When we got back to the hotel, DH virtually collapsed, shivering violently and then sweating. He went to bed at 7pm and is now in an uneasy sleep. I am worried about him.

I am really pleased to have seen the DGDs, but this trip has taken its toll. I don't know whether it was a good idea to have a frank discussion or not. But how do you have an honest relationship if you just brush everything under the carpet? Perhaps you don't and perhaps I have given him more ammunition. He didn't show any signs of welcome or sympathy for DH's diagnosis- didn't even mention it or show any concern at all.

I just want to be back home. However, there is tomorrow to get through first.

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Moviestar · 11/03/2020 01:10

You poor things, what an emotional and traumatic day. How uncaring and cruel your son-in-law is! Sending you strength and best wishes for tomorrow ,I hope the rest of the visit is better and your DH feels better tomorrow. He must be emotionally exhausted, and you too.
Wishing you both the best.💐💐💐💐💐

JemimaTab · 11/03/2020 01:16

It sounds like it has been a tough day - do look after yourself and your DH. It really sounds like the last thing he needs right now (I know it was his decision to make the trip).

LB sounds truly awful. Still raking up the past when he knows what you and DH are going through. He really does think you “owe” him and is taking every opportunity - even now - to bang this message home. I did wonder whether the more recent demands for cash were because his own parents have turned off the tap. Maybe you will find out when you see them tomorrow.

springydaff · 11/03/2020 02:47

Everything has changed now so normal rules are suspended. I'm glad you said what you did. Atta girl!

The one great thing about cancer (the only one I can think of...) is you can be a bit of dick if you want to. I'm not saying you were a dick! But that life suddenly gets very straightforward and you generally say what is on your mind. It's great!

BIG price to pay though. So sorry to hear the news isn't great but also so glad to hear it's more straightforward than you thought. Wishing your husband very best wishes with the treatment. You are in the best hands (I know it's a cliche but it's true).

Thinking of you all. You done good today. How interesting his parents are going out of their way to make contact with you... Will LB know you've met or are you going to keep it quiet?

Thinking of you very much tomorrow Flowers

titnomatani · 11/03/2020 03:54

I stumbled across this thread randomly and have spent the last couple of hours reading every post and sobbing. Albinoni, I am 9 weeks post partum and have an 18 month old toddler. We have no family to speak of (on both sides) because they've ostracised us (for different reasons) which has made my PND spiral out of control. What I would do to have a mum like you (mine passed away when I was 12) in my life right now. As it stands, my children have no grandparents or aunts/uncles they'll ever know; their family will be the friends they choose for themselves. As I was reading, I was thinking it was only a matter of time before your DD1 saw sense and then I got to your post about your DHs diagnosis. My heart genuinely hurt reading that. As a person of faith, I promise to offer a prayer for him. Please stay strong and when you don't feel it, fake it. It'll see you through the challenging times ahead.

billybagpuss · 11/03/2020 04:36

Wow, well done albinoni I can only begin to imagine the turmoil of emotions you have been through today and my heart goes out to you with the cancer diagnosis, sending you so many best wishes for the chemo. You are sounding so strong at the moment but I’m sure you’re not feeling it.

I’m so pleased you stood your ground and didn’t apologise for his grudges against you.

I do hope DH is feeling rested by this morning, I am pleased lb parents got in touch and hope that even if you have to meet them alone if DH isn’t up to it that you are able to go. The fact they made the effort to find you really speaks volumes and I think you may find out a bigger picture. You should maybe also agree if you will tell LB about the meeting as he clearly doesn’t want it to go ahead.

Good luck today 💐💐

billybagpuss · 11/03/2020 04:38

And LB sounds awful at best a petulant child and I don’t even want to imagine the worst.

billybagpuss · 11/03/2020 04:45

@springydaff you do make me laugh, 🥂 here’s to loosing the inhibitions and allowing yourself the freedom to be a dick and use it to your advantage.

And @Albinoni I got very cross at reading the privilege dgd bit. How lucky you are that they deigned to let you see them. Your answer was perfect.

Wallywobbles · 11/03/2020 06:10

Oh my. You'll be reliving these few days for a long time yet. I hope DH is ok. Not sure what to advise at this point but ring anyone who can help. Will you be ok to drive etc for the trip home.

It sounds like his parents might be very interesting.

Masses of good luck and strength to you both.

Gutterton · 11/03/2020 07:49

Oh my what emotional suffering you are enduring all at once.

It must have been excruciating waiting for that news yesterday and your DH collapse last night I hope was “just” shock as you have all been holding on for some certainty for weeks. He does need to be in the best shape emotionally and physically for his chemo next week - change plans for today so that he can rest up. He is a v ill man.

LB hostility was no surprise for someone of his disposition. Today will be worse as he will be fizzing after yesterday’s exchange. Well done for standing your ground yesterday. Today maybe fade into the background so that your DD1 can see v clearly how her DH treats her seriouslyDF. Don’t muddy the waters and get caught in the cross fire.

Keep giving her direct eye contact when LB is speaking. A “knowing” look. Grab any moment out of LB gaze to squeeze her hand, tell her you love her, ask her if she is OK and that you are always there for her.

I expect that LB will somehow prevent you meeting his parents. If you do meet them don’t trust them but do ask if he is struggling with any MH issues.

RandomMess · 11/03/2020 08:27

You did great handling LB.

Just sending you much love and strength Thanks

chilling19 · 11/03/2020 08:39

How stressful all this is. I would want to be home too. 💐

Albinoni · 11/03/2020 08:58

Thank you for your kind messages.

Titnomatini, you sound as though you would be a lovely daughter. I think that sometimes we don't get the family we - I won't say deserve but maybe don't match with. I apologise if I am repeating myself from up thread, as this has been running for a few months now and I can't remember everything I have said.

However, a long time ago, when the DDs were much younger, I had a Romanian teenage girl to stay. She was in an orphanage, although she wasn't an orphan - her mother had a big family (contraception was not permitted then) and didn't want her. She came over several times. The visits were organised by a local charity, it probably wouldn't be allowed now. So many years later she is in touch, loves me, says I inspired and 'saved' her, sees me as a surrogate mother.

It's ironic isn't it? Her mother doesn't want her and my daughter doesn't want me. I think maybe we should just embrace love when it comes into our lives, from whatever direction. Grasp what you have rather than chasing what you don't have.

We went to visit DD1 and LB yesterday, full of good intentions and hope. We were friendly and tried to chat, and admired the DGDs, said they must be proud, the house etc. Honestly, we were positive and wanting to have a good visit.

All was fine - well ok - until we were sitting down for lunch. I said to LB, in a friendly fashion, we would like to meet your parents if possible, although we know time is short. LB just said no, I don't want you to meet them. It was a total conversation killer and the atmosphere changed in an instant.

Anyway, DH is fine this morning, maybe it was related to the cancer or a stress reaction. So we are going ahead with today's schedule- we have travelled a long way, after all. It may very well be a triumph of hope over experience, but what is life without hope?

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itsallthedramaMickiloveit · 11/03/2020 09:26

I am so sorry about DH. I hope he's feeling OK. I know he desperately wanted to do this visit.

If that jumped up little shit mentions the incident again look him in his eyes and ask why he keeps bringing it up. You have no regrets over it. You would do it again if the situation were ever to happen again.

I can't believe they've had the audacity to mention that.
I was hoping that being a mother to daughters would now give your daughter some perspective.

Grohnjant · 11/03/2020 09:31

Glad DH is feeling better this morning . It was probably a reaction to the dreadful stress you must have been under yesterday . Waiting for the hospital to call must have been torture.
LB hasn’t and won’t change . What a nasty piece of work he is ! How awful that he didn’t show sympathy regarding DH’s illness.
Interesting that he didn’t want you to meet his parents, that speaks volumes doesn’t it? That they didn’t know you’d exchanged Christmas cards is also very strange.
I bet he’s panicking because when his parents meet you both and realise how lovely, caring and reasonable you are the false picture that he has painted of you will come crashing down.
You did amazingly well yesterday . Hopefully today will be better .
Sending love and good wishes to you and DH .
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