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Reconciliation after estrangement?

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Albinoni · 30/11/2019 10:39

I have NC'd for this but have posted in the past about my relationship with DD1 and was grateful for the advice and support which I received. The posts have since been deleted, at my request, but some of you may remember 'Lobster Boy', and my concerns that DD was in a controlling relationship and that I risked losing her.

Unfortunately, my fears were justified as DD seemed to become more and more withdrawn from the family, saying that her BF was her family now. She ghosted all of the family entirely for six months - apparently she just blocked us all - then there were occasional calls and she did send birthday cards etc. She moved house without providing an address and we didn't see her for two and a half years. I cannot begin to describe how painful that period was for me and DH and her sisters, but those of you who have been through this process of living bereavement will understand.

Anyway, the good news is that there has been a reconciliation following a lunch on neutral ground, in a restaurant, earlier this year (she lives hundreds of miles away from us). Prior to that, she had provided her address, so that we could send some books to her which are relevant to a course which she is intending to take next year. At the lunch, she said that they had married the previous year, and we said how pleased we were, and contact continued to improve.

The following month they asked if they could borrow some money to put towards buying a property and we agreed. Shortly after that, DD told me she was expecting a baby (due any day now), which I was overjoyed about. Then, a few weeks after that - and this is the part I am really struggling with - we received a letter from DD and SIL enclosing photos of the 14 month old which they already had. The accompanying letter was quite upsetting as it said they hadn't told us about DGC because they didn't want her to experience broken relationships and they hadn't been sure whether or not they wanted us involved at all, but they felt guilty at taking our money and not telling us about DGC.

DD and I subsequently had an emotional conversation and, since then, DD has been in contact with me virtually every day with messages and photos and is behaving almost as though nothing has happened. She says I can't think about the past or what I have missed and clearly wants to move forward. I know that she is right in that we cannot change the past and she assures me that she definitely does want us to be involved.

But I am in such turmoil over this. Obviously I am thrilled and excited about the reconciliation and the DGC, but I feel so desperately hurt and upset that she didn't tell any of us about all of these things, especially as I believed that we were close before. I am really struggling, to be honest, although it's early days and there is a lot to come to terms with.

We haven't met DGC1 yet as I think we both felt that it would be better to wait for the baby to be born and then meet them both together, when the emotions have died down a bit. The last thing I want to do is cause her any stress at this time and I sense that they are anxious at our meeting her PILs for the first time. I am also anxious about it, although they sound like lovely people and have been very supportive to DD. But goodness knows what they must think of us. I am also worried about becoming attached to the DGC in case they are taken away from me. I just couldn't put myself through all that again.

So I was wondering if anyone could give me advice if you have been in a similar situation. How easy was it to reconcile? Did the whole family reconcile or was it a piecemeal process? Did you involve any professional help, such as a counsellor or family mediator? Has it worked out? Are things the same and can the relationship ever really recover or is it just different? I really don't want to mess this up, as I have realised how fragile relationships can be, but I am feeling a bit overwhelmed.

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Grohnjant · 26/02/2020 05:45

Oh Albinoni , so so sorry to read this You are all in my thoughts x

RandomMess · 26/02/2020 08:06

So sorry to read your update.

If it would bring DH pleasure perhaps you should as DD1 to consider to bring either both DC or the baby to visit as it's unlikely DH will be able to travel.

ThanksThanksThanksThanksThanksThanks much love and hugs to you all.

Fefifofaff · 26/02/2020 08:42

Might Skype or other video call with DD1 be an option? Only if it would give you and DH comfort rather than making things worse. You two are the priority now. 💐

champagneandfromage50 · 26/02/2020 09:17

Sorry to hear your recent update. As I stated in a PP my DH was found with two primary cancers last year and is only now coming to the end of treatment. It's been pretty horrendous and we haven't been able to plan anything as he had multiple short notice appointments, investigations etc. It truly takes over your life. So a visit to your DD1 may be difficult. Thoughts are with you and your family

Gutterton · 26/02/2020 09:36

What a terrible turn of events for your DH - I am so sorry that this has landed on you all. You need to put the blinkers on now and focus on his treatment and quiet, happy, warm loving moments with your DD2 and DD3. Take it hour by hour, day by day.

Situation with DD1 is appalling. She has behaved shockingly and yes brought a lot of unnecessary and irrational darkness, bitterness and pain to your lives over the past 5 years.

Whether you consider it to be 100% LB and have 100% sympathy for DD1 - it is totally appropriate to relegate and sideline their psychodrama so that it is v far away from you all right now.

They don’t get to pollute you heads and hearts in these precious days. You should only be surrounded by friends and family who nourish you with love and warmth.

You are under no obligation to meet her needs right now.

Your life has imploded and you need to be 100% in protective mode for your own emotional health to be able support your DH and cope with the long tough road ahead.

You are under no obligation to call her to make her feel better. If you just want to send update texts that’s fine. Having been in the depths of crazy busy hectic rollercoaster of cancer treatment - that’s all you can give everyone anyway - there is no time or energy for conversations. With my DM we just sent a group text update every few days.

Know that interacting with her and LB will not bring you the happy every after - they will not change behaviour and they will hurt you again and again and again.

Unless he has her chained to a radiator I just can’t fathom why she wasn’t immediately on a train to visit when she had that news a few weeks ago.

You are raging with what has happened with your DH health. You are raging with her and LB. You need to rage in private and you will feel vulnerable to want to rip her head off right now - so don’t put yourself in that position.

Perfectly acceptable not to prioritise talking and soothing and meeting the needs of someone who has emotionally abused you all and treated you all with so much hate and contempt for many years. No space in your lives for that now.

Okki · 26/02/2020 11:13

I'm sorry that the news wasn't as good as you'd originally hoped. My thoughts are with you all.

5LeafClover · 26/02/2020 11:29

Flowers Thinking of you and sending continued best wishes to you, DH and DDs 2 and 3.

billybagpuss · 26/02/2020 11:40

Unless he has her chained to a radiator I just can’t fathom why she wasn’t immediately on a train to visit when she had that news a few weeks ago

this is exactly what I was thinking

My thoughts are with you and as pp have said now is not the time for you to have to emotionally support dd1 as well you have enough on your plate.

All the best for the coming days and the treatment 💐

mcmooberry · 26/02/2020 12:03

Oh no I am so sorry to hear this and hope the meeting with the oncologist (who will have seen this before and is an expert) offers hope that his cancer is treatable in a way that will give your DH many more years and that any surgical options won't be too brutal. Bloody cancer, I am appalled that your family are facing this.
I suspect DD1 realises that by her actions these last few years there is no comfortable place for her in the heart of her birth family offering the support she now desperately wants to give. I doubt you need to point out what she has robbed her father of, she will know.
Have been and will be thinking of you all.

SirVixofVixHall · 26/02/2020 13:23

I am so sorry that the news wasn’t more positive.
I am another who doesn’t understand why DD1 has not brought her daughters over, and left LB at home. She seems so stuck in her position of them being hard done by, (and you expected to be grateful for any lowering of themselves in giving you snippets of contact ) , that she can’t shift out of it.
I think she will have huge regrets as an older person, at how her family have been treated.

Singlewhiteguineapig · 26/02/2020 19:56

Oh Albinoni I am so sorry to hear this news. Sending all my love and hugs xxxx

Albinoni · 27/02/2020 07:51

Thank you everybody, as ever, for your support. It means a lot.

The oncologist was talking about chemotherapy but said she didn't think any treatment should start until the results of the neck biopsy were in, which will probably be in about two weeks (biopsy is being done on Monday).

DH definitely wants to visit DD1 and the DGDs so, as things stand, we will be going 9-12 March.

SirVix - I agree that DD1 will probably have regrets later, but who knows. It was DD2's birthday yesterday but she didn't send a message, although DD2 signed the new baby card we sent when DGD2 was born. I have to say that I don't understand her or her behaviour and I have given up trying. As DH says, it is just not rational, so no point in trying to make any sense of it.

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Gutterton · 27/02/2020 09:20

I think that you are in a better place with your DD1 than you know. You are observing her behaviour, noting that nothing has changed but are not surprised or shocked when she continues to behave badly and disrespect her family even at this dark time.

But you seem quite detached and emotionally balanced and not triggered by her now.

Is he still sending photos everyday?

MondayTuesdayWednesday · 27/02/2020 13:13

@Albinoni so sorry to hear your update.

Wishing you good luck with the next stages of treatment.

I would try to focus on your husband and other daughters for now and take what support you can from them. DD1 has made her views and intentions quite clear.

I also am shocked that she wouldn't come and see her father after the diagnosis - breastfeeding or not - as any normal empathetic child would have done. I think that this will be harder to come back from than all the other things she has done.

Grohnjant · 27/02/2020 22:44

Hi Albinoni, sending you , DH and DD 2 and 3 much love and strength 💕 You sound like such a strong, close knit, loving family. This will help you through the tough times ahead .

I’m pleased you are no longer trying to make any sense of DD 1’s dreadful behaviour. As your DH says it is pointless and I think trying to do so can make you go a little bit mad .

Wishing you as peaceful and calm a weekend as possible . 💐 💐 💐 💐 💐 💐 💐 💐 💐 💐 💐 💐 💐

GothamProtector · 28/02/2020 01:01

 I am truly sorry @Albinoni and Happy Birthday to your wonderful daughter I hope that even through all of this she managed to enjoy.

Glowbuggy · 28/02/2020 01:06

Why can’t she visit you? Don’t make your poor DH travel at the moment. I’m so sorry you are going through this. You sound amazing x

Weenurse · 28/02/2020 06:19

So sorry you are going through this 💐

billybagpuss · 28/02/2020 07:54

How far away is she now I hope it’s not too far for your DH to travel. hope the trip goes well and good luck on Monday with the biopsy.

BluebellCockleshell123 · 28/02/2020 08:30

What an awful time for you and your family Albinoni. I very much hope that you and DH get to visit DD1 before the chemo starts.

I’m sure you’d rather not have the emotional upheaval of visiting DD1 at a time when your DH is about to undergo treatment, but if it’s what he wants to do then I guess you have to support him and his wishes. Perhaps it will be easier to be detached when your mind is more focussed on DH than on DD1 and the children.

Thinking of you Flowers

timeisnotaline · 28/02/2020 11:16

If she has to catch a distance train on her own with baby and small toddler not too long post difficult c section I can see why she isn’t visiting. I don’t think I could make that trip, I remember it being hard enough with one baby. No stomach muscles to lift luggage around or pram or baby, and unable to put baby down. It’s not likely LB will help them down or offer to look after the dc for her.
Just putting that out there as so many are suggesting she should be on a train.

GothamProtector · 28/02/2020 11:56

She at least could've told them it's on the cards.
She's not going to feel that bad in March. Whereas her father could potentially be going through aggressive cancer treatment.

Albinoni · 28/02/2020 11:56

Thanks everyone.

DH is actually quite well in himself at present and wants to carry on with life as normal, although we are obviously conscious that treatment will be starting within a few weeks and it will be much more difficult after that.

It is easier for us to visit DD1 than for her to come to us. We have everything booked, staying in a decent hotel etc, which is much better than having them to stay here. I also agree with timeisnotaline that it would be very difficult for DD1 to travel with baby and toddler. Also, we will get to see her home and how she is in her own surroundings.

I think DD1 has been shell-shocked by this news, as she has been constantly ringing and requesting updates and I can tell that she is genuinely very concerned. She made a point of saying yesterday how much they both wanted us to visit and, although I take this statement with a big pinch of salt in so far as LB is concerned, I imagine she must have some regrets about the last few years.

Anyway, be that as it may, DH wants to go, so go we will. And I don't want to clutter up my brain or emotions with negative thoughts. I need to concentrate on DH and DDs 2 and 3, and try to think calm, positive thoughts.

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champagneandfromage50 · 28/02/2020 13:41

It's good the visit is before treatment starting. The treatment is pretty rough and your all going to have to rally round your DH as he goes through it. My DH lost 7 stone and had a terrible time during the treatment but is thankfully slowly building himself back up. He won't have any reserves for additional emotional stress

Ghostontoast · 28/02/2020 14:49

Sorry to hear the news this week Flowers