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Reconciliation after estrangement?

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Albinoni · 30/11/2019 10:39

I have NC'd for this but have posted in the past about my relationship with DD1 and was grateful for the advice and support which I received. The posts have since been deleted, at my request, but some of you may remember 'Lobster Boy', and my concerns that DD was in a controlling relationship and that I risked losing her.

Unfortunately, my fears were justified as DD seemed to become more and more withdrawn from the family, saying that her BF was her family now. She ghosted all of the family entirely for six months - apparently she just blocked us all - then there were occasional calls and she did send birthday cards etc. She moved house without providing an address and we didn't see her for two and a half years. I cannot begin to describe how painful that period was for me and DH and her sisters, but those of you who have been through this process of living bereavement will understand.

Anyway, the good news is that there has been a reconciliation following a lunch on neutral ground, in a restaurant, earlier this year (she lives hundreds of miles away from us). Prior to that, she had provided her address, so that we could send some books to her which are relevant to a course which she is intending to take next year. At the lunch, she said that they had married the previous year, and we said how pleased we were, and contact continued to improve.

The following month they asked if they could borrow some money to put towards buying a property and we agreed. Shortly after that, DD told me she was expecting a baby (due any day now), which I was overjoyed about. Then, a few weeks after that - and this is the part I am really struggling with - we received a letter from DD and SIL enclosing photos of the 14 month old which they already had. The accompanying letter was quite upsetting as it said they hadn't told us about DGC because they didn't want her to experience broken relationships and they hadn't been sure whether or not they wanted us involved at all, but they felt guilty at taking our money and not telling us about DGC.

DD and I subsequently had an emotional conversation and, since then, DD has been in contact with me virtually every day with messages and photos and is behaving almost as though nothing has happened. She says I can't think about the past or what I have missed and clearly wants to move forward. I know that she is right in that we cannot change the past and she assures me that she definitely does want us to be involved.

But I am in such turmoil over this. Obviously I am thrilled and excited about the reconciliation and the DGC, but I feel so desperately hurt and upset that she didn't tell any of us about all of these things, especially as I believed that we were close before. I am really struggling, to be honest, although it's early days and there is a lot to come to terms with.

We haven't met DGC1 yet as I think we both felt that it would be better to wait for the baby to be born and then meet them both together, when the emotions have died down a bit. The last thing I want to do is cause her any stress at this time and I sense that they are anxious at our meeting her PILs for the first time. I am also anxious about it, although they sound like lovely people and have been very supportive to DD. But goodness knows what they must think of us. I am also worried about becoming attached to the DGC in case they are taken away from me. I just couldn't put myself through all that again.

So I was wondering if anyone could give me advice if you have been in a similar situation. How easy was it to reconcile? Did the whole family reconcile or was it a piecemeal process? Did you involve any professional help, such as a counsellor or family mediator? Has it worked out? Are things the same and can the relationship ever really recover or is it just different? I really don't want to mess this up, as I have realised how fragile relationships can be, but I am feeling a bit overwhelmed.

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Albinoni · 03/02/2020 03:02

I feel like an alcoholic who has reached rock bottom and the only way is up.

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ChicChicChicChiclana · 03/02/2020 03:42

This is such a traumatic situation. I really feel for all involved. As someone with estrangement between two members of the family severely affecting the rest of us, I've read most of the thread with great interest.

I don't think I'm in any position to offer advice (like I said, my own family is currently atumbling around in the dark trying to come up with fixes for the broken relationship). But I wanted to wish you good luck OP. Hopefully the creative writing course will give you something positive to focus on. And your current family situation, whilst painful and sad, could make a great basis for a novel or short story. Please don't allow this to drive away your other daughters. Dd1 is an adult.

Pemba · 03/02/2020 04:02

Your DD2 is impressively wise for such a young woman. I would listen to her and take comfort in her love (and that of DD3).

ChicChicChicChiclana · 03/02/2020 04:07

Agree with Pemba. I thought your dd2's text was quite remarkable. I know you are conscious of this so have no desire to rub it in - but don't let this situation with dd1 overshadow everything else that is happening in your family.

billybagpuss · 03/02/2020 07:26

Is DD2 on MN, thats a pretty concise summary of the last 23 pages, very well written.

Have a good day today.

Albinoni · 03/02/2020 07:44

Thanks everyone.

Billy, DD2 is only repeating what she has said to me over the last few years. I have replied saying that I don't want to talk about X any more but, although she may not believe it, the force of her message and her truth has finally caused the scales to fall from my eyes. I said that, like an addict, I had reached my rock bottom and the only way is up, that I feel much calmer now. And I thanked her putting up with all of this stuff for the last few years and for being such a wonderful daughter, which she is. I feel so, so lucky to have her.

And it's true. I feel different somehow today, that I have shed a skin, unloaded a heavy but empty package, and I can now move forward. I have finally let go. The future seems much brighter somehow.

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Snog · 03/02/2020 07:52

I agree that when you give advice it is unreasonable to expect that the other person will implement the advice.

Firstly it's quite arrogant to think that you know for sure what is right for another person, but also even if the advice is correct, sometimes the person may be unable to follow it at that time. With a mother daughter bond especially it may be impossible to break contact as we are fundamentally ruled by our emotions and not by logic.

DD2 is taking steps to protect herself emotionally in a mature way and this is a good thing. You definitely need an outlet to discuss your feelings though, it's not going to be DH by the sound of it, please get professional support for yourself as this level of stress could end up making you really ill.

Grohnjant · 03/02/2020 08:18

Glad you are feeling calmer this morning. Hope you have a lovely day helping DD2 move. X

5LeafClover · 03/02/2020 08:58

Glad you are feeling calmer I hope you managed to rest. Dd2s text is a great example of setting a boundary in a loving way. 💐 for her. Please use this moment to move forward in caring for yourself and putting strategies in place to help you act to keep this calmness.

How do you think you will manage when dd1 texts again? Is it possible for you to get another phone for day to day use to take you down from the high alert of waiting for a text from her ? Can you agree with dh that he will take over the vanilla texting for a short while until the money is sorted?

Albinoni · 03/02/2020 11:20

Thanks Snog and Grohn.

Clover - I am not on high alert. I genuinely feel that I have turned a corner. My everyday life is very happy, as are my other relationships, and I don't intend to jeopardise that.

When I sent that conciliatory message and realised how much I had upset DD2, and read the advice on here, and also saw how ill it was making me, I had a 'lightbulb moment'. I stared into the abyss and I pulled back. I won't go there again. I just know that I won't. It's like someone contemplating suicide and then realising how sweet life is.

The last message from DD1 sent me a link to some ill effects of veganism and she said to make sure DD3 looked after herself. I haven't replied. The thought occurred to me that if she really cared, she would contact DD3 direct. But I am not going to respond or be an intermediary- that way madness lies. I feel oddly detached and I intend to keep it that way.

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ddraigygoch · 03/02/2020 11:21

You are a wonderful mother. Your relationship with DD2 & 3 shows that.

I am so sorry that you're hurting so much. It's so unbearably cruel.

ofay · 03/02/2020 12:30

Time to be realistic OP, love isn't a trade off for money.

I believe that like gravitates to like, your DD loves LB, she's not about to 'see the light', she doesn't feel abused, she's colluding with him.

I speak as someone who never sees one of her children any more for similar reasons. Life is calm now....and better, acceptance is the way forward.

Protect yourself and those who love you. x

Grohnjant · 03/02/2020 13:07

Albinoni
You really do sound strong today. 😊
I too had that experience of suddenly waking up one morning feeling as though a huge weight had been lifted. It was a while after I’d reached my “rock bottom” though and about 2 months into counselling. I’m pleased to say that, despite a few little ups and downs, I’ve never gone back to that dark place , I hope you don’t either .

Obviously I wish things were different but life is good now and although I could never have imagined it 12 months ago I am genuinely happy now .

Ofay - sorry you are in this situation too . Acceptance definitely was the way forward for me too .

billybagpuss · 03/02/2020 13:15

So pleased you sound so much stronger today

5LeafClover · 03/02/2020 13:57

I'm glad you are not on high alert...I was thinking back to the post you wrote a few days ago (28th?) when you described the pain of the texts arriving and putting off opening them . I'm glad things are in a better place today and hopefully for many days ahead. Take care.

SirVixofVixHall · 03/02/2020 15:42

I think your exchange with your younger daughter has maybe made you realise that you have “permission” to step away from this, that it isn’t your fault, and that it is not a failing as a mother or a person, to say “enough” and to stop trying to change things. The fact you feel relieved and lighter, shows how much of a weight this has been for you.
It really is not a situation of your making, and I do wonder whether you withdrawing slightly and showing that you have limits, may be the tipping point for dd1, even if nothing happens for a while.
The vegan thing suggests to me that LB has influenced dd1 to the point that she feels superior. She needs to see the damage she has done.
I am very glad you are feeling in less of a wrangle, it is an impossible situation to sustain over a length of time. You are doing the right thing in stepping back a bit.

RandomMess · 03/02/2020 16:31

Glad you feel stronger and are seeing more clearly.

Please do get some therapy with a good professional, help you cope with the traumas of the past so this one doesn't pull you down again in the future.

KOKO Thanks

Gutterton · 03/02/2020 21:24

You have had more than your fair share of traumas in your life before this one hit. If your own parents had a difficult marriage it is likely that at best they were preoccupied with their own drama/discord and your emotional development was neglected and/or at worst there was emotional abuse. Either way you would have been left with a deficit which may have impact how you process and respond to issues. You then had a series of v v significant trauma’s which it sounds like you have “shouldered” rather than processed. That means you are still carrying these so this latest trauma (which would be enough on its own) is overloading you emotionally.

If you see an experienced and highly qualified psychotherapist they will work to alleviate the burden of your older traumas so that you have capacity and clarity to work through this current issue.

If you have private healthcare they will have a list of approved highly rated therapists. You may need a GP referral or you may be able to do this directly.

I am glad that you have had a lightbulb moment - and you see that you need to prioritise and balance out this issue with respecting your other DDs, DH and friendships - that’s a good start.

But I am not clear what you are proactively doing differently to set the boundaries. It seems you just respond to all outside threats / communications so mostly DD1 & Lb and now DD2 and also how DH wants to run it....

But what do you want? How can you emotionally protect yourself? What decisions and strategies have you decided to put in place proactively yourself? I am just worried that you are exposed and respond to everyone else’s emotions / communications / threats.

If you don’t speak with DD2 about it and DH is dismissive - where is your outlet? You will just go pop again in a few weeks. Have you decided if you will allow yourself to be triggered daily by the photos and texts? Can you manage this is another way so that you can come up for air?

Have you and DH decided how much money to give and will you approach them and tell them how much it is. Are you ready for when they start asking for money for stuff for DGDs - shoes, clothes, music, ballet, riding lesson etc. Are you ready to say “No” ?

I have picked up from your recent posts and your I older thread that LB has bullied your DD1 and gaslighted her regarding her MH. All of the crying in the early days of their relationship was him breaking her down so that she feels inferior to him and he has got her exactly where he wants her - believing that she is mentally weak and highly dependent on him. That’s the hold he has over her.

springydaff · 04/02/2020 11:08

I don't think psychotherapy is the only way. I've had acres of psychotherapy and, although I understand huge swathes of the trauma I have experienced, it hasn't necessarily brought healing. Healing doesn't just happen in your brain.

It sounds like you've turned a corner op and bravo for that! We need everything we can get, who cares how it came about. Xx

Albinoni · 04/02/2020 15:16

DH has been diagnosed with cancer today. I am sorry but I am stepping away from this thread for a while.

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Tinselette1940 · 04/02/2020 15:32

I'm so sorry to read that Albinoni. Take care of yourselves

Mintypylonsfryingsurplus · 04/02/2020 15:35

@Albinoni so sorry to hear this wishing you all the best and your DH a good recovery

SleighbellsAndHollyberries · 04/02/2020 15:40

Oh Albinoni, so sorry this is happening. I've been following your thread with admiration. You have done so much for others, please take care of each other now. Sending positive vibes to you both.

billybagpuss · 04/02/2020 15:40

Oh Albinoni so so sorry 💐 wishing you all the best and take care.

I know my timing in saying this is bloody awful but it’s a very good reason to reassess your finances.

I’m on the home straight with DH and prostate cancer happy to be a sounding board if you need it, honestly I didn’t handle it very well I think I’m too selfish. Xxx

Grohnjant · 04/02/2020 15:42

So sorry to hear that Albinoni. Sending love and best wishes for the best possible outcome xxx

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