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Is my daughter being unreasonable? What to do...

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EmmaWizard909 · 21/11/2019 20:57

34 year old daughter called us in tears last Saturday night, asking us to come over on Sunday as her relationship has broken down and her other half has left to stay with his mum so he can think. We live around 35 miles apart from her, and through countryside so it takes about an hour to get there.

We declined (my DH is 60 and gets tired after working all week) and we’d planned to use Sunday look at some fabric at a store 45 mins in the opposite direction. We were happy to speak to her on the phone and have a chat (didnt last long as she was in a state and didn’t want to speak for long) but on Sunday morning we received a load of abuse from her.

I’ve been told I’m a shit mother, im never there for her, I have my priorities elsewhere and would prefer to shop that support her when she needs me, she’d ‘never felt so low’ and we still couldn’t come over. She said she never asks anything of us of this nature and that she was clearly desperate and alone, and we failed her. We apparently only give her money, not emotional support. The list of accusations went on and on: mostly that we were selfish for going shopping when she needed us and we had all week to shop when she was at work (not strictly true as we both work two days in the week so don’t have as much free time as she likes to suggest).

My DH argued back, he was furious with her. I sided with DH but I’ve been unable to forget the conversation. DH isn’t having any of it and thinks we are right to defend ourselves but my daughter hasn’t spoken to me or him now for nearly a week. I’ve no idea what’s going on with her relationship but i can only presume it is over.

Is she in the wrong, are we? At 34 I would never have called my parents asking them for this kind of support. In fact I was married with children by then! Part of me feels she is over the top and demanding, the other part of me wonders if we dealt with this wrongly. Can’t talk to DH and feel trapped really because if I contact my daughter that will undermine him.

Any advice as to how to deal with this?

OP posts:
OldEvilOwl · 22/11/2019 07:41

You see posts on mental health awareness these days encouraging people to reach out and ask for help if they are struggling. This is what your daughter did, but you didn't go. I lost a friend last weekend who took her own life. She was 37, and had everything to live for. Unfortunately she didn't feel like she could reach out to anyone. Her family are devastated, her funeral is this week

SchadenfreudePersonified · 22/11/2019 07:41

You know - I had awful parents, and a dreadful childhood. It still upsets me to think of it - so I rarely do.

But at least they had blood in their veins, not iced water.

WeirdCatLady · 22/11/2019 07:43

Oh OP you poor thing. I guess the important question is whether you and your husband, after working a couple of days that week, managed to get to your cheap fabric store. How dare your daughter expect her calling in floods of tears disrupt your plans. No way would I have driven over after such a tiring week and miss out on a good deal on some fabric.

Oh no......wait.......of course I would because I’m not a heartless, self-centred arsehole. Hmm

I feel so sorry for your daughter.

BonnesVacances · 22/11/2019 07:43

This thread and OP's posts is a fascinating insight into how my DM thinks.

This formal attitude to support will come back to bite you on the bum OP when it's your turn to need help. Unless your DS is prepared to do it.

SinkGirl · 22/11/2019 07:44

OP, I’m glad you’ve reached out to your daughter. Please don’t just dismiss what she’s said, or the comments here - you have a rare opportunity here. She’s told you how she feels. Others have told you how your actions are perceived by others, whether you agree or not. For the sake of your daughter, please do some self-reflection on whether she has a point here. You call what she said abuse, but what she said was demonstrably true from your posts alone. She’s backed down now because she wants to build bridges and she knows saying this won’t get her anywhere. I know this because I’ve been your daughter.

My mum always priortised other things over us and supporting us emotionally. Like you, she could pluck out some example from over a decade ago where she begrudgingly gave support and that was supposed to be the end of it.

With my mum, it was mainly men she prioritised, in many and hurtful ways (even she would have struggled to prioritise a fabric sale over us, I must say). This all came to a head when I was about your daughter’s age. My vile abusive husband had something truly awful. Again. She needed my support (again). I literally dropped everything for her for a month - she begged me to take his place on a holiday she’d booked. I cancelled work and dropped everything to go with her. Within a few days i overheard her on the phone arranging to fly me home and fly him out to replace me.

I told her I was done. When she got back she came to my house. I wouldn’t let her in. I wouldn’t answer the phone to her. I honestly planned to never speak to her again.

Then she was diagnosed with terminal cancer. I dropped everything for her last 18 months - wound up my business even so I could spend as much time with her as possible. We talked a lot and she was so remorseful for the way she had treated us. Sadly it took her facing death for her to realise, when it was almost too late for us to have the relationship we both really wanted.

Two months before she died she embarked on a trip round the world. By the time she got to Australia she was very sick and was going to die there. My sister and I started making arrangements to travel there. But my mum wanted to come home to us. As soon as she was medically cleared, she flew home from Australia with a partially obstructed bowel, unable to eat, vomiting constantly.

We got another month together. She could have stayed where she was, but she came home because she wanted to be with us. She was 61, by the way.

I know you’re reading this and thinking “I’m nothing like that”. But i can see it, and I know where it ends up.

You say you deserve some life of your own and that’s true. But you also admit that this is not a common request from her, and that you had completely non-essential plans. You say you just wanted to prioritise your plans for once, but can only think of an example from more than a decade ago where she interrupted your plans. My mum had a very “I’ve raised you, it’s my life now” attitude as well.

Spending a day supporting your daughter could have strengthened your relationship and helped her immeasurably but it wasn’t a priority for you.

Your daughter has just been through a break up, and she asked her parents for support and they “declined” because there was a sale on (and literally said this to her). She must feel completely alone in the world. You can fix that but first you have to truly understand what she’s saying and why your actions were so hurtful. Forget about right and wrong for a minute and focus on what you want for your relationship with your daughter.

You say she’s difficult and fiery and always has been. I’ve never been like that except with my mother - whenever I saw her I’d emotionally regress back to being that teenager who was so angry with her for never putting us first.

You seem to find it strange that a 30 year old still needs emotional parental support- I’m gong to make a wild guess that your mum wasn’t very forthcoming with the emotional support and you never had it either? That was certainly the case with my mum.

If your DH left you or passed away, I’m sure you’d want and expect your DD to be there for you. Yes, you’ve had a much longer relationship but when painful things happen most of us want support from our family.

I’m sure this will fall on deaf ears but at least I’ve tried.

ColaFreezePop · 22/11/2019 07:46

There are 34 pages explaining that you and your husband are both truly awful for your behaviour.

When you are both in an old people's home and your children (and grand children) are too busy to visit because they are doing things like buying fabric for curtains and their hobbies reflect on this thread.

EvilTwins · 22/11/2019 07:48

I’m 44. Not so very long ago, I was in a bit of a state feeling poorly. DH was away with work. I phoned my mum for a bit of sympathy. Whilst on the phone to Mum, Dad (he’s 75) got in the car and drove an hour and a half to pick up my DC and take them back to their house for the weekend because I was feeling so rough. I didn’t even ask - I don’t think I’ve grown out of needing parental support. OP, YABVVVU

IslaMann · 22/11/2019 07:50

My parents are like you.
My DS phoned me from Chester once to say his car had broken down in a quiet country lane at 9pm. I'm in Bristol. My DH - his STEPFATHER- got in his car and drove to Chester to support him.
BRISTOL-CHESTER is a 3hr + drive. Because that's what you do for your kids.
Your poor poor daughter.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 22/11/2019 07:51

I think at 30 years of age to make demands of this nature towards parents is ridiculously selfish and spoilt behaviour...if its a one off and out of character for an adult child to make this demand by all means yes you should drop everything but if this is repeated behaviour i think a lot of ppl,if being honest,would not drop everything and go running.

Louise

a) This "repeated behaviour seems to have happened twice in 10 years

b) Even if it has been more often - is it not possible that this is a desperately unhappy young woman looking for some confirmation - any confirmation - that her parents actually give a fuck about her?

c) Nothing in OP's self-justifying posts suggests that she regards her daughter as anything but a PITA. She strikes me as one of these people who look only to their own comfort, and think that if you throw enough money at a situation then you've done your bit. She's wrong.

winewolfhowls · 22/11/2019 07:53

Yep, you're mean. Your poor daughter. Don't be expecting any help when you are elderly and have a fall.

Brakebackcyclebot · 22/11/2019 07:55

Wow.

When I was 35 my H left me. My brother drove for 2.5 hours in the middle of the night to get to me. My mum & dad came early the next morning.

You are so so in the wrong here.

PinterStar · 22/11/2019 07:57

My mum and dad are a bit like you. Don't like me messing up their plans. It bothered me before but now I don't mind that much as I've found other people who will be there for me. I still talk to my parents, have a superficially good relationship with them etc. but we're not emotionally close and never will be. I'm sure the time will come when it's them who need me and, to be honest, I don't know if I'll feel that obligation to be there. Probably not. The golden child can do it (he won't).

You think that your emotional detachment is normal but it's really, really not. Normal families are there for each other, even when they're tired and would prefer to be somewhere else. Tbh I think its too late for your to change this. Hopefully your daughter will find a partner who can give her the emotional support that you can't.

maryann1978 · 22/11/2019 07:58

These posts may be hurtful but that's because the majority of them are saying how could you do that to your daughter? As the saying goes 'the truth hurts'. I am with most other posters and I agree that your behaviour as a parent is truly awful. My daughter can be dramatic over things but even if she split up with her boyfriend on a weekly basis (which she did when younger) I ran to her side as I am her mother and she needed to be nurtured. If my DH behaved like that towards my daughter he would get told to sort himself out and be kind and I would ignore his nonsense and go straight to my daughter. Why have you have left it a week? Why haven't you packed a bag and gone to hers without DH? it sounds like she needed her mum and you couldn't be bothered - you work 2 days per week!! Disgraceful behaviour in my view

hiddenmnetter · 22/11/2019 08:01

Right I got as far as page 10, and I can't be the only person who thinks that OP wasn't that far out of whack? Her daughter had a 1 year relationship end, which sure, hurts, but it's hardly the end of the world. I mean the whole stuff about shopping is a bit of a misdirect- it doesn't matter what they were doing, they were tied and got a call at 10:30pm to complain that a relationship was in trouble and they didn't go running. Unless there is some long history of emotional unavailability the phone last of abuse seems like a massive overreaction on DDs part, and sounds like it's trying to take out her pain on her mum rather than be an adult about it.

Who would genuinely go running for an hour each way in the middle of the night for a 1 year relationship being in trouble (not even necessarily ending)? Surely it would be a case of phone call that night and meet up for coffee or breakfast the next day to talk?

Ohffs66 · 22/11/2019 08:02

Are you my mother?! Me aged 20, broke down on the motorway on the way to visit my mother and stepfather. No mobile phones in those days. Walked 2 miles up the hard shoulder to the nearest services in a skimpy outfit (it was summer) with lorry drivers beeping at me and traffic wooshing past. Called her for help, quite panicked and upset. Was told a) they were just sitting down to eat so there was no way they could come and get me b) why wasn't I a member of the AA, how irresponsible and c) surely I could find some money for a taxi to get myself home and just leave my car where it was.

In desperation I ended up calling my boyfriend's parents as I knew he was out. They came to get me with a towrope and his mum drove back to their house with me in the car while his dad steered mine. They were going out for the night and I made them late, but said there was no way they would leave me stranded, I was welcome to stay at theirs and then they would help me sort it out in the morning.

I will never ever forget what they did that day compared with my own 'parents'. To this day my mother doesn't think she did anything wrong. At the time I told her exactly what I thought of her in the same way your daughter has done, and didn't speak to her for about 6 months despite the phone calls with her weeping down the phone about how she hadn't done anything wrong and why was I being so horrible.

We are not close now. You reap what you sow OP, beware.

Greenwingmemories · 22/11/2019 08:03

Wow you're a really shit mother. HTH.

Your daughter is pouring her heart out to you and your husband bitches about a hard week at work and you prioritise cheap fabric. I really feel for your daughter and you don't deserve her.

londonrach · 22/11/2019 08:05

Cant be real. You preferred to go shopping to offering support to your daughter. Yabu and nasty mum.

AnneKipanki · 22/11/2019 08:05

@hiddenmnetter
It was to go over on Sunday , The next day . She did not ask them to come over immediately.

Beautiful3 · 22/11/2019 08:06

I think deep down you know that you were wrong. I would have gone to see mine and stayed a couple of nights if I wasnt working. Maybe it's not too late for you to repair your relationship with your daughter. Phone her and say sorry, offer to come down for a couple of nights. Treat her to a take away and bottle of gin!

TrueRefuge · 22/11/2019 08:07

You sound a lot like my Dad, both in your initial post (the actual event) but also in your follow up posts: Oh we do like her but we can totally see why her relationships end. Nice!

Yeh.... I don't have a relationship with my Dad anymore. He has failed me as a parent and quite frankly I don't care whether he agrees or not (spoiler: he does not agree).

I hope your daughter finds some freedom and relief like I have, and realises that your shitty, rejecting, invalidating behaviour is about you (and your husband) and not about her.

WhoCaresWins01 · 22/11/2019 08:07

I really hope you are a troll because this thread is heartbreaking if true!
I'm 52, when my marriage broke down 16 years ago i phoned my parents and they came to me, its what loving supportive family does! I drop things if my parents need me and they do the same.
I find it very telling that the op says that she invited her daughter to their home. I don't need to be invited to my parents home!

MsRomanoff · 22/11/2019 08:07

Who would genuinely go running for an hour each way in the middle of the night for a 1 year relationship being in trouble (not even necessarily ending)?

Me. Most parents.

How long does someone have to be with someone, to qualify for being distressed.

Since he moved out, it must have been serious and they were moving together?

SchadenfreudePersonified · 22/11/2019 08:07

She didn’t calmly tell us she was upset we hadn’t visited, instead we had text after text of nasty accusations. She has always been like this and can be very nasty. While I would obviously never say this to her, DH and I can sometimes see why her relationships break down. She’s very intense and can be critical.

She is what you have made her with your selfishness and emotional distance. Congratulations.

rowrowrowyaboat · 22/11/2019 08:07

Im 41. My mums in her 60s. Iv had many crisis's over the yrs, ands shes come running every time.
Il do the same for my children.

Sounds to me that your daughter struggles emotionally. Ask yourself what role models has she had from both you and her father? Is he also emotionally unavailable (sounds like it)? Because i sense a pattern in her adult relationships that mirrors her childhood.

AllyBamma · 22/11/2019 08:08

Oh wow, you really don’t get it do you. You’re actually a terrible person, not just a shit mother