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Dior · 17/08/2007 13:32

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Paddlechick666 · 01/10/2007 21:19

and now i'm starting to feel guilty about not texting him back

CountDIORacula · 01/10/2007 21:30

PC

You must do what you think is right. I honestly don't know what that is for you two, although I suspect ignoring him won't hurt him for a while...

lilybubble · 02/10/2007 00:10

Hi all, it's so nice to be back here and chat with you all, I have really missed it.

Hi paddlechick, sorry to hear you are still having a hard time. The double standards he's applying are outrageous, staggering in fact! Did you text him back? I know I probably would have done!

Hi flump and welcome. Sorry you've had problems with your relationship too - there are lots of us, that's for sure Nothing like good old female solidarity though hey?! A good friend is actually in a similar situation to yours with the baby thing, so I can understand it.

Baffy, you and I are still going through the same things by the sounds of it. I veer from very sad, to very angry and a little bit of pretty depressed for good measure. Like you, my family and friends all simply hate h. I feel that some of them think that he's treated me so badly that it should be easy to 'get over it', 'move on' etc etc etc, but of course it just isn't. Now he's starting the whole 'I've made a mistake', so those people I've told this have all said "Oh do you think he wants you back, you wouldn't go back, would you?', and I honestly don't think I do want to go back given how much he's hurt me, but it seems clear that they can't contemplate how I would even begin to think about it. I know it's natural, I'd feel the same if one of my friends or family was treated like I was.

Sugarplum, I think I will be staying away. I have re-built my life without him in the centre now, and I think I need to look to the future. At the moment I can't begin to contemplate someone else, but I do like the idea of getting out there and having a good old flirt. Too much has happened now, and he's just hurt me too much for me to be able to trust him again.God, I'd be paranoid about his every move, it'd be terrible

Sorry, got to end here as dropping, so must get to bed. Hope all of you are doing okay.
xx

Baffy · 02/10/2007 09:51

hello

wow I missed lots last night... mahooosive post coming up....

pc did you text back? I hope not tbh - his double standards are astounding - and for as long as you can hold out, make him wait for a reply. In the scheme of things it doesn't even register compared to what you've been through.
And after everything you've done to sell and buy... now he's interested because it matters to him

TFM I have really missed your wise words. You have a knack of making me feel better instantly and always help me focus on what's important. You're right - I don't have to stop loving him. And don't worry, it would take a hell of a lot more than a few nice words to ever win me over! Thank you

lilybubble I really understand everything you're saying, we do seem to have gone through everything at the same time. I know what you mean about people saying 'you wouldn't go back would you...' - well actually no I probably wouldn't. But at the end of the day, I don't actually have that choice to make because he's the one calling the shots! (I feel like screaming do you know how that feels! How bloody insensitive to say 'you wouldn't go back would you'... he left me remember! It wasn't my decision in the first place!!) And if he did want me back, then perhaps for a minute or two I would contemplate it! But that's up to me!! And to be honest, knowing he wanted me back would probably give me the incentive to walk away. Happy that he's realised his mistakes. But while you're being rejected by the person you love most, it's natural instinct to want what you can't have - rejection hurts like nothing else

TFM is right that people just want you to move on so that they don't have to see you hurting anymore. They want you to be happy. But just because someone treats you badly, doesn't suddenly wipe out your love for them or the grief at the loss of your future...

I sometimes feel like people must look at us now and think what a sham our relationship was and people have actually said 'I wouldn't be surprised if he's done it before' blah blah. It makes me so angry. I'm sure nobody's relationship is perfect, but until the few months before his affair we really were so happy. I hate it that people now feel that they can judge and make assumptions about the whole 14 years we spent together. Because I know that neither of us ever cheated on each other. It's almost like it makes a mockery of your whole relationship and spoils all the memories - that's hard

flump I definitely do think it's possible to forgive and move on. I would have given it a good shot if I could have. I think even when someone hurts you so very badly, you have to realise that people are only human, and people make horrendous mistakes. It's what they do to put those things right that matters.

(Not that there is ever an excuse for hurting those you love or being utterly selfish when you have a partner and family to consider - but we don't live in a perfect fairytale world do we, real life isn't that black and white.)

I relate so much to a lot of the things you say. I know my family would never accept H if we were to get back together. And the strain of that is a daunting thought. Would being with a man who hurt me so badly, at the risk of losing my family, be worth it?? How can we answer that - it's too hard

And the baby thing - I have even thought the same myself, that I would want to sleep with H to have another child as I want one so much, and ultimately, I wanted it to be with the man I married. But I think that's all part of the grieving process. I try to focus on the thought of potentially having another baby one day with a man who loves me and does everything he can to make our lives happy - now that's a better thought

It's just so so so difficult. Without knowing what has happened between you it's so hard to say. But to be honest I don't need to know, because at the end of the day it's your decision as to whether you could ever trust him again and whether your relationship is worth fighting for. I really believe you have to follow your heart in answering that xx

TimeForMe · 02/10/2007 10:05

Hi Baffy

I was thinking about you last night! Do you remember me saying that when DH has got his nice flat, done all his spending and treating himself, when the excitement of being newly single has worn off and when he is sat in his lovely flat all alone, thats when he will start thinking of what he had and what he threw away?

It didn't take him lond did it?

And as for what your family would think if you and dh got back together, well, it's you that has to live with him
The only reason people would have a negative opinion of that is for the same reasons as they want you to forget him and move on, they don't want you to get hurt again.

But, you cannot let the opinion of others or worry over what they may be thinking spoil your future. It ain't over until you decide it's over!

TimeForMe · 02/10/2007 10:06

long at spelling error. Some things never change!

Baffy · 02/10/2007 10:11

Thank you.

I know - I do remember you saying that. And it's taken him a matter of weeks!
When ds and I are at the flat, even for a few minutes, it's full of life and laughter. I think the idea of a 'single' life doing whatever he wants isn't quite as attractive when he's struggling to pay the bills, got no money to go out, and is sitting in alone... Even when I'm at my lowest, ds brings sunshine and laughter into the room. He hasn't got that.

A part of me really does want to see him have a hard time of it now. Is that evil?! I'd like to see him struggle financially, miss me and the baby, and generally be miserable and lonely. Maybe that way he'll understand some of what he did to me and appreciate just how good he had things!! (But I think that may be wishful thinking on my part! He'll probably love his single life!! )

TimeForMe · 02/10/2007 10:17

Ooooh no, thats not evil! It's all part of the fun

You know, if this were me (and knowing how much you love him and how you were prepared to forgive him and move on as a couple) I wouldn't be giving up

I would be on a mission to make him miss me. Ask him to babysit because you are going out, get dressed up to the nines then go drop ds off. It doesn't matter if you just go to totter round the supermarket isles, you will have made an impact (and yes, I have done it!)

Oooh think of the fun you could have!

Baffy · 02/10/2007 10:39

I like it!

I actually do have quite a lot on in the next month or so (2 leaving do's from work, a couple of concerts, and a couple of really good friends turning 30)... we could have fun with this

I actually wound him up a bit just before my hols. Have lost quite a bit of weight and knew I was looking good - I had a false tan done and then went bikini shopping and bought the sexiest most gorgeous bikini, and I took a picture and then asked him if he thought it looked ok as I needed a second opinion?!!!
Got a text message later that evening saying 'you do look amazing you know'...
I know!

TimeForMe · 02/10/2007 10:45

Wey Hey! Way to goooooo!

Right, all these nights out you have planned, get him to babysit but never tell him where you are going (he is bound to ask) all you need to say is "oh, just out" and leave it at that!

I once got all dolled up and went to Adsa came home with a big bunch of flowers and never ever told him where i got them from, despite days of spanish inquisition type treatment, it was great!

He is going to be on his knee's by the time wev'e done with him!

Baffy · 02/10/2007 10:47

Grin Grin

LilyLoo · 02/10/2007 11:00

Baffy go girl ! Why not make him see what he is missing!
TFM i thnik your humour has been really missed on this thread so glad you can be around again to help the girls through!
PC did you text him ? So for you that you felt guilty but shows you have different standards to him
Lily glad to hear it sounds as though you have moved on , well done [smile
Hi everyone else can't remeber who asked but i due 5th Jan and Mcd due boxing day i think

TimeForMe · 02/10/2007 11:07

Awh, thank you Lily it's nice to be back.

So, are you all prepared for baby? You do know that we expect a post as soon as baby is born, with all the details! Do they have internet cafe's in hospital!

Baffy · 02/10/2007 11:13

A post as soon as it's born... I was hoping for hourly updates all through the labour and delivery too

LilyLoo · 02/10/2007 11:15

i am having it at home so am sure mnet will be a welcome distraction, maybe even skyp it

TimeForMe · 02/10/2007 11:18

We could 'post' you through it Lily! Ooh it would be an honour for all of us to be there

Forget the birthing pool! Have you got a laptop? Wireless? Webcam?

LilyLoo · 02/10/2007 11:30

Can imagine midwife face if i show her that lot as my birthing bag

TimeForMe · 02/10/2007 11:35

Midwife!! You don't need a midwife. We can huff and puff you through it and as long as you catch the baby when it shoots out, jobs good en!

Paddlechick666 · 02/10/2007 15:33

hi all

sorry for dipping out. ikea, nct play date and wagamama for lunch so been a bit busy today!

baffy, lillybubble, am totally with you on this stuff. up until a month or so ago i probably would have taken him back. but i am moving further and further away from that now.

i'd never say never but i just don't think he could ever make it up to me and clearly he's not even capable of trying to.

i am approaching hate and despise.

I didn't text him. I have to stop getting sucked back into everything being on his terms.

i really cannot wait to move and separate all the finances and sort out the maintenance properly. only 2 months or so to go!

i wish i could move on but i really don't feel i can.

i can't imagine myself with anyone other than dd's father. i can't imagine anyone would be interested in a 41yr old singler mother with a toddler and i never have an opportunity to go anywhere to meet anyone anyways!

TimeForMe · 02/10/2007 16:29

Hi PC

I read your earlier post and I am so glad you didn't text him!

I think he see's you moving on, what with the new house and everything and he feels you slipping away so is doing his best to exercise control over you. He dips in and out of your life, throwing you crumbs of hope that maybe you have a chance of a life with him, then he takes it all away, leaving you crushed in the process.
Up until now it has worked for him but, not anymore eh! GOOD FOR YOU!!!

You keep up the good work PC! And 41 is not old! You are not past it by any means! You will meet your Prince Charming when you are least expecting it, trust me! x

TimeForMe · 02/10/2007 16:32

PS he might be capable of making it up to you, of getting it right, but up until now he hasn't really had to try. If you continue rebuilding your life without him, don't give him the time of day, withdraw from him completely, you night just be surprised at the change you see in him

If he wants to be with you, make him work for it!!

DastardlyDior · 02/10/2007 17:01

PC - I really think you are sounding stronger lately. It probably doesn't feel that way though! You are a loyal woman and he doesn't deserve that at the moment. But, like Baffy, you can't stop how you feel about someone.

Paddlechick666 · 02/10/2007 19:50

tfm and dd, thanks.

i've had a busy day today and a good opportunity to off-load on my nct mates so i haven't felt too bad about it.

i will be so much happier when i have moved and can separate all the finances and agree a sum of child support.

if he pays it great, if he doesn't then it will be hard but i think i can manage.

i wish i could erradicate him from my life completely. i don't have the time or the energy or the inclination to keep to-ing and fro-ing like we have been.

last week i felt like texting "pay the money regularly and then forget me and dd exist".

at one level i don't want him or anyone else in my life. on another level i want a normal happy family with someone who cares about how i feel and wants me to be happy and help me to be happy.

with him out of the picture the best i could hope for is a step-dad for dd and going on my own experiences that could cause her more pain and hardtimes thru her teens and so on.

just hanging on till the end of the year. 2008 and is MINE!

lilybubble · 02/10/2007 22:55

Baffy - your post is spot on, as usual. People DO think the whole relationship was miserable, when, like you, that just is not the case at all. We were so happy for a long time. One of my good friends said, when she first heard, "Oh, well I'm not surprised really, I never really liked him". Well sorry, but I don't actually care whether or not you liked him - but I loved him!!! This coming from a girl whose husband got naked and got into bed with me one night when I stayed over with them !!! I've not heard from her since, apart from some crappy forward on facebook....... I don't understand how insensitive some people can be!

And I completely agree with the wanting to see him have it hard. He has had it all his own way the last few months while you've suffered, so the karma needs to get to work on him!! Love the bikini story

Lily - lol at skype while you're giving birth!! Do you know the sex of the baby?

paddlechick, good on you for not having texted back. The anger is natural, so go with it. Letting it out will do you good. You say you can't wait to move and separate the finances, but then say you can't imagine moving on - but you are! You're stronger than you think you are. It's you calling the shots now, not him, and that is probably really freaking him out. Like TFM says, he might be capable of making it up to you, but you have to make him realise that he stands a very good chance of losing you now. You are doing the right thing, stay strong xxx

As for me, I am feeling low this evening. Still can't really get over the jet lag - am exhausted at work and then wide awake in the evenings. Have felt v tearful this evening even though nothing has happened, and this is panicking me a bit into thinking that I might be depressed. Dd has been playing up too, and I just feel tired and fed up. My sensible head tells me that now life is back in a routine and I am moving on, the adrenaline of getting all that done has gone...... Probably also to do with the fact that h is on holiday with ow....... And, like paddlechick, I just wonder how I will ever meet someone I like, who will treat me right, who doesn't mind taking on a child who's not his own. And there's h already well into his next relationship of course with no responsibilities to worry about

sunshinegirl · 02/10/2007 23:19

Hi all, just got on here for the first time in ages & too tired to read thru, sorry. But just wanted to say hello & that I'm still alive Hope you are all ok and surviving my lovelies

Having a very stressful time of late, one thing on top of another. My nanny died last week and am going to her funeral on Thurs which will entail meeting my Dad for the first time in over 15yrs

Anyway will catch you all again soon,
Love OSJ xx