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False promises

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heneverkeepshisword · 30/10/2019 22:42

So basically my bf has cheated on me in the past, promised me he was sorry blah blah, then I caught him messaging her again.

He begged and begged and pleaded for 5 months for me to give him another chance, she's blocked etc etc....

So I said okay I'll give him one more chance but he has to change his number...he said fine he will do anything it takes...

He goes to check when his phone is up for renewal and says it's only in a couple of weeks so he will change his number then.....
He then gets a new phone and contract without changing his number....so I tell him again that I will only give him another chance if he changes it...he then agree to do it last weekend but then something came up so he couldn't, promises that this weekend he will do it...

Had the conversation tonight and now he's saying it's pointless as she is blocked so he's not doing it!

I feel I should just walk away now as 3 times he promised and now has backed down.
Not the only thing he's backed down on....he promises me so much when he's trying to get me back and then as soon as I'm back it all goes out the window!

I don't know what to do?

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Gemma1971 · 08/11/2019 21:25
heneverkeepshisword · 08/11/2019 21:33

@Originalconcept I did just say that if it escalates then I will get a non-molestation order (not that I know what one of those is) but I will contact the police again and get him warned! But right now he seems to of backed off!
Plus my friend was getting threats once and the police did nothing so that's what I'm basing it on!

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heneverkeepshisword · 08/11/2019 21:33

Thanks @Gemma1971 I have been told this before....but I don't know how to snap out of it! I would say I have always been like it but I think it is only in the 2.5 years I have known my ex

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mummmy2017 · 09/11/2019 09:48

The man you love and who he really is are very different.
Rename this new form, as the man child twat. Or something you think is appropriate.
Separate in your mind . It really helps.

TowelNumber42 · 09/11/2019 10:02

To snap out of it you have to know who you are, what are your values. Then you've always got something to refer to when you make decisions.

There are some great resources for managing yourself if you have codependent traits. There are good books, I think one is called Codependent No More, the Reality Slap (not strictly codependence but much overlap), organisations like CODA. Many many youtube videos and TED talks, nevermind the blogs and websites.

The sad fact is many people grew up in families full of anger and fear then grew up to be like that themselves or codependent. The happy fact is that many of those codependent type people have unlearned bad habits and learned new ways of being. Then they go help others do the same because that's the kind of people they are. You can be in the happy group.

heneverkeepshisword · 09/11/2019 10:50

Yea I guess it's still early days. It's going to take time to get over him. I know he's not really the person I think but it's so hard to get my head round!

Weekends I find are harder and that's because I'm wondering what he's up too....I really don't know how to snap out of that but I guess it will get easier with time.

I'm keeping myself busy tho to try take my mind off it!

I'm also watching so many YouTube videos too so hopefully I get back to my old self soon!

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Gemma1971 · 09/11/2019 11:32

Once you drop the denial completely, I think you will get angry. That may take a while, as nobody wants to admit they wasted years with someone deceitful. I think there may still be some denial, which is normal. That comes quite simply from falling in love with a projected image and the abuser's clever manipulation of your feelings and something called cognitive empathy. This is not true empathy, they study you and mirror you right back to you. So basically they analyse the type of person they think you are and base what they do and say on your carefully observed reactions and behaviours.

Hence so much denial, because that fake persona can be really bloody convincing. I have experienced it, the I love yous, can't live without you, will change, the wonderful meals cooked to perfection every single day, the amazing bonding sex.... but none of it is real. I mean real love and empathy.

If it WERE real, that person would ALSO be honest, caring, respectful, would not cheat, would not comment on your hairy face, would not break into your house, would not lie to you and sleep with someone else single or plural behind your back.

Even if you have 95% good times, if the bad times are so bad and not normal couple disagreements about the toilet seat or which hotel to book for a holiday, whose in-laws to spend Christmas day with, that kind of "normal" stuff, then there is a problem. And if that problem cannot be resolved by normal communication and the party responsible for the problem is in denial and lies and does nothing about it, but expects you to forgive and forget, repeatedly, then do you have a good person or a bad person?

Think about it.

Took me a while to grasp this. I think Inner Integration says something about it in one of her recent videos. Perhaps the one I posted recently about hoovering actually.

Despite all the good times, with my ex, there was always a feeling that something was not quite right. I was not wrong there either. But the worst thing he could have possibly done to me was letting me take a 6 hour flight to where he was at the time, telling me how much he loved and missed me, then 3 or 4 days later, joking about my body, and insulting it. Then denying it, twisting his words and being angry about my response.

Is that a good person, if the rest of the time, things are ok? Mainly good? But then he does it again.. and then takes an opportunity to let me down in some other way.

That is not a good person at all, but I hung onto the rest. I think you may still be hanging on, that use of the word hope and hopefully.

Check out Richard Grannon and his latest video on setting your intent. And his other stuff.

Most of us who have been abused really needed a massive reality check because of the cognitive dissonance. Nobody wants to think they have been used in any way, right? Ultimately I had some good times too, but I know to stay with that person or to continue to give him any of my time or energy, would be a really bad move for the rest of my life. For a healthy and happy future. He would ruin my future.

Imagine a future with him constantly raping you, cheating, disappearing... Now imagine a future where you have a new partner who would never dream of hurting you and actually helps when you are ill, is considerate and honest. You CAN have that, but not while your energy and any hope at all is stuck on the abuser.

Make sure you accept he is abusive. Again, took me a while. I WAS abused and manipulated, it was all mind games and mental fuckery to keep me feeling less than.

On two occasions yesterday I had men ask me out. What is going on? I have cleansed the abuser's energy from my system. This never happened before. But I had to get angry first and do a lot of self-work. So keep up the no contact and do not crack. Cracking means going backwards and you are not headed that way.

heneverkeepshisword · 09/11/2019 14:12

I want to drop the denial honestly I do I just don't know why I can't?
Like I keep thinking what he's doing and then a memory came up on my phone today and the first thing I want to do is tell him..."guess what is a year ago today" Hmm I obviously didn't!
But as much as I don't want him back and I want that happy future I can't seem to be angry at him for the right reasons and only the fact that he has ruined what we could of had Confused
I'm going to spend today on YouTube again trying to educate myself more so that I do hate him!

But yea even when I think about the relationship when it was "good" it was never really that good anymore as he was always so grumpy and stuck in his ways.
The last weekend we were ment to spend together he messaged me saying he was "nervous" about spending the whole weekend with me as he's not used to spending all his time with one person anymore because of me trying to get rid of him.....I want someone to be excited about spending the weekend with me not having to go home every few hours or for the afternoon for space Sad

Yea I do get a lot of attention from guys and have turned down so many nice guys because I was always hoping we would work out or because I was hung up on him and comparing the new guy to him....that I hope will go! Not that I want anyone else yet but in the future....I don't want to be comparing!

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AFairlyHardAvocado · 09/11/2019 14:24

@heneverkeepshisword

I'm starting to worry that you're backtracking on what your brain knows you should do.

You are in love with who you thought he was and who you thought he could be if he changed. You were not who he actually is. That's a really important thing to realise.

AFairlyHardAvocado · 09/11/2019 14:25

Sorry typo. Meant to say:

You are in love with who you thought he was and who you thought he could be if he changed. You were not in love with who he actually is.

heneverkeepshisword · 09/11/2019 14:41

No I'm not starting to back track. I'm not even close to messaging him or anything....I guess I'm just finding it hard...but I knew this weekend would be hard...hoping this will be the worst one and then it's up from here!

I'm just reading up on trauma bonds....it says you normally get into relationships like this if you were abused as a child? And as far as I'm aware....I wasn't....I don't remember a lot of my childhood but the bits I do remember there wasn't any abuse?

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heneverkeepshisword · 09/11/2019 14:43

But you are right....I'm in love and I miss the idea of what we talked about having....not actually him....he's a horrible person!

It's like recently I was confused and thought I missed my ex husband but actually I miss the life we used to have!

And so now I know I'm missing what I thought we were going to have not him or the shitty relationship we did have!

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rvby · 09/11/2019 14:59

@heneverkeepshisword

I'm just reading up on trauma bonds....it says you normally get into relationships like this if you were abused as a child?

This isn't true. Trauma bonds can develop in any human being. Trauma bonding actually requires a certain level of emotional health in order to take place - e.g. - if you had an extremely abusive childhood, you would find it difficult to bond to anyone, whether through trauma or not.

Please dont start looking for reasons why this relationship is actually ok. Whether you're trauma bonded or not dowsnt even matter. Hes made it so clear that he hates you and doesnt give a fuck about your happiness, please keep making those good choices and keep watching youtube videos that help you feel strong x

heneverkeepshisword · 09/11/2019 15:12

Oh no I know this relationship isn't okay.
Was just reading about them and how to get out of it and it comes up with that!

I think it's just going to take time I guess and then everything will hopefully fall into place!

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Gemma1971 · 09/11/2019 17:20

You're in love with an illusion. Once you accept that, it does get easier.

And it's less about hoping it falls into place and ALL about making choices.

heneverkeepshisword · 09/11/2019 18:46

Yea I think I am starting to realise that....he was never wanting to do family days out so what I want in the future was never him just what he promised me which was all false....hence the title.

I havent heard from him today.....and it actually makes things so much easier! This is a good sign!

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heneverkeepshisword · 09/11/2019 18:47

Also just made plans with a friend for tomoro night when I don't have the kids and I'm very excited.

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Gemma1971 · 09/11/2019 19:07
Gemma1971 · 09/11/2019 19:08
heneverkeepshisword · 09/11/2019 20:05

Thankyou for those! So where I am at now!

I did something stupid....and looked at his Instagram... SadAngrySad
I don't know why but already he has 2 new girls following him....just proves he's a total looser Sad

That's it....waking up tomoro morning and getting him out of my head! I can't keep living and thinking like this!

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Tessabelle74 · 09/11/2019 20:16

What are you here for? What do you want to hear? He's a knob but "you're not ready" to leave him so stop moaning about his behaviour as you're enabling it. You haven't followed up on your threat and he knows you won't. You will continue to be treated like a doormat whilst you lay down and let him walk on you. No one here will tell you to just accept his behaviour, so either dump him or resign yourself to more of the same (trust me, I was a doormat for nearly 10 years until I woke up!)

heneverkeepshisword · 09/11/2019 20:28

@Tessabelle74 I have dumped him and I'm not enabling his behaviour...I have blocked him on everything and even called the police!

I was just saying I have done something stupid and looked at his Instagram...he won't know...but I'm just hoping I haven't reversed my progress by doing it Hmm

I followed through....he didn't change his number so I ended it and so I'm not a doormat anymore!

I don't want to be like everyone else and be on and off for 8 years or more!

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TwiddleMuff · 10/11/2019 04:43

You’re doing fine - I don’t know why you’re getting grief. You haven’t contacted him that’s the important thing.

heneverkeepshisword · 10/11/2019 07:52

Thankyou!
That's what I needed to hear!
Thought maybe looking at his profile would of reversed my weeks work!

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Tessabelle74 · 10/11/2019 09:13

@heneverkeepshisword
I've tried leaving him but he won't let me move on. And tbh I'm not ready to let him go yet....the thought of him moving on with someone else kills me!

This is your very first comment on the thread! So are you not ready to leave as this says or did you dump him weeks ago? 🤔

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