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What would you do next? Am I over reacting?

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WhatWouldYouDoNext · 23/10/2019 09:53

Hi all. This is going to be quite long for clarity. Sorry and thanks for reading.

I have been very close friends with a married man for around 8 years. I'm also friendly with his wife but have a lot more in common with him. It's all above board - our families have holidayed and spent Christmas together, there are no concerns about impropriety.

Around the start of the summer, his behaviour towards me started to change - I feel like he 'argues' with me now for the sake of it (claims to be playing Devil's Advocate but also to hold these views dear, yet has also contradicted himself); has started 'picking' on me - finding fault in what I'm saying; saying things I can only assume are intended to undermine my confidence - things like telling me men have looked at me in 'disgust' or that my 'ego is showing' when I'm simply not being down on myself and that I'm single due to my resting bitch face (joke!). That kind of thing.

We play in a band together. We've gigged a lot over the summer and some of them have included overnight stays and have been a lot of fun so I didn't say anything - not wanting to create an unpleasant atmosphere for the others - and largely dealt with it by ignoring and avoiding but it hasn't made much impact. I did try telling him that his behaviour towards me had changed and I didn't like it but rather than asking what I meant or opening a dialogue, he just said, "I could say the same about you" and shut it down.

A couple of mutual friends suggested he feels threatened by my new friendships within band and is feeling pushed out; that he is jealous because I play a 'higher profile' instrument than he does - not only does this mean that I'm more 'visible' than he is but that if I can't make a gig/left band, I'd have to be replaced whereas he wouldn't. It's been suggested that he is struggling to find his place in the band and that he is trying to be 'blokey' to fit in with the men better - I know that a couple of people find him a bit 'try hard' with a particular persona he has pushed.

I don't disagree with any of that and I think that all of it is relevant. I agree that he has found it socially difficult with them but he really likes them and loves being in the band. I agree that all of those are probably an issue for him. But none of them are my fault or my problem to solve.

However, in the event that I had inadvertently 'pushed him out', at the start of September, I resolved to make more of an effort to spend time with him. Although, the only reason I was spending less time with him was because of how he was behaving towards me.

Nevertheless, I have seen him a few times over the past few weeks and it seemed to all be relatively back to normal. No issues except for maybe a couple of little comments that I didn't like but I wasn't sure if I was just more 'sensitive' to things he was saying now. But there wasn't anything specifically unkind that was directed towards me. So I started to see it as having been resolved.

Anyway, fast forward to a few days ago. We travel to/from band practise together and, at the end of practise, he said it was time to go and he straighted his arm out and put his outstretched hand into my face to push me backwards/aside. I was horrified and stunned. We'd been talking to another man who was visibly shocked by it. I felt humiliated and didn't know how to react.

What I wish I'd done was say, "what the fuck are you doing? Don't you ever fucking touch me like that again!" What I did was try and laugh it off and said to the other man, "he's a bit of a twat, isn't he?" to which my 'friend' laughed and said, "yes I am" but he was behind me and halfway out the door by this point. The other guy just looked a bit shocked and didn't reply.

I had to travel home with him but didn't speak to him and just said I was tired when he asked what the matter was. He was talking about us going out at the weekend so clearly didn't see anything wrong in what he'd done.

I have a long standing history of abuse stemming from childhood and following on to a number of abusive relationships, that still impacts on me now and, coincidentally, the following day, I had a pre-assessment appointment for therapy to deal with this. Which i why I'm not sure if I'm overreacting to this because now I feel I have completely shut down to him. I no longer consider him a friend. I want nothing more to do with him. I don't want to see, speak to, or even be in the same room as him again.

I can deal with the family/friendship side of it - I will just have nothing to do with him but I don't know what to do about band. I don't want to be in practises with him. I don't want to do gigs with him. I don't want to see him in any capacity whatsoever. But I don't see a solution. I could leave but we have several gigs coming up in the next couple of months and I'd be leaving them massively in the shit.

I've since mentioned it to one person in the band who feels that I ought to give it no energy, put it down to being his problem and not let it affect me but I've woken up again thinking about it , feeling angry and with my heart pounding. So I thought I'd bring it here.

What would you do next?

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Interestedwoman · 24/10/2019 22:29

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SarahNade · 25/10/2019 03:50

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samb80 · 25/10/2019 04:53

What an absolute arsehole, if this is how he's treating you his 'friend' can you imagine how he treats his wife.
I think he's showing you his true colours- get away from him!!

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WhatWouldYouDoNext · 25/10/2019 05:37

SarahNade
Have you missed the point where I have repeatedly said I'll be having nothing more to do with him? That includes not getting into a car with him Smile

samb80

I know. It's playing on my mind a bit too.

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C0untDucku1a · 25/10/2019 05:40

@SarahNade im shocked at that attitude. You dont think people women who are afraid of someone, are so afraid they wouldnt want to poke the bear and say no to his INSISTENT driving in together????

@SnowyRacoon how much of the thread did you read?

Op, block him on social media. He doesnt need to be on there.

WhatWouldYouDoNext · 25/10/2019 05:55

C0untDucku1a

I agree. I know a lot of women suffer uncomfortable/potentially downright dangerous situations for fear of making the existing situation worse and 'poking the bear'.

Fortunately, as we are only friends, I can legitimately say that I'm not going to do that again. I had stopped it in around June only really resumed it over the past 2 or 3 weeks when things seemed to have settled down and he had appeared to have got over whatever his issue was.
Obviously not though! I admit, I was looking for the nest and a reasonable explanation after 8 years of friendship. But, in 8 years, he has never done anything like this which is why some people thinkni need to talk to him to understand why he did it Hmm I don't.

And I doubt SnowyRacoon read any of it. It was a goady response to the title. If they actually believed that, they'd have elaborated.

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C0untDucku1a · 25/10/2019 06:16

You owe him nothing. Even if youd known him 80 years. He is abusive, trying to isolate you, and escalating.

custardbear · 25/10/2019 06:30

I think, consciously or not, he's trying to put you in your place, which is his friend only, so exerting his power over you and in front of others to manipulate and control you.
I suspect jealousy also.
Is there a band lead you can confide in? Also I'd definitely talk to the bloke who witnessed what to me sounds live a'Tom and Jerry cartoon manoeuvre' as he's witness to it.

Glad you've taken a big step away, I'd challenge him if he PA mentions it again - 'yes ex-friend, your behaviour towards me is becoming manipulative and controlling so I'll just drive myself thanks'

What does your therapist say?

SarahNade · 25/10/2019 06:49

@WhatWouldYouDoNext You said he asked if you wanted to pick him up for something on the weekend, and you said that you said yes.

WhatWouldYouDoNext · 25/10/2019 06:49

You owe him nothing. Even if youd known him 80 years.

I know but when you've known someone for so long, a couple.fo months of them being a dick doesn't quite seem enough. Our children are friends, we've been on holiday together, we have spent a lot of time together and band is somewhere that we can't avoid each other - they are more like family than friends. This was a step too far though and am easy decision to make in terms of ending the 'friendship'.

I think, consciously or not, he's trying to put you in your place, which is his friend only, so exerting his power over you and in front of others to manipulate and control you

I think this sums it up really. It doesn't matter why he's doing it really. He just is. I think other people are wanting to explain it away as feeling a bit sorry for him that he's clearly scared of losing his friend because people don't like to admit abuse.

It's the escalation that's concerning me the most tbh.

He and his wife have been together 20+ yrs but I have occasionally thought it wasnt the healthiest relationship (from both sides) but then that's none of my business.

Tbh, I know she just let's him "get on with it" for a quiet life and doesn't do or say anything that could rock the boat. I've wondered if he tried these tactics on her and they worked and now he's resentful of me that they haven't worked and that's why he's escalating. If I'd 'behaved myself' initially then he'd have had no need to escalate would he?

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WhatWouldYouDoNext · 25/10/2019 06:54

You said he asked if you wanted to pick him up for something on the weekend, and you said that you said yes

No, I said that he asked if I were going at the weekend and, if so, he'd pick me up. He said he wouldn't go if I didn't. I said I didn't know if I was going but he could go anyway - he didn't need me to be there. He said he wouldnt bother driving all that way just for himself (it's 5 miles!). I have confirmed I will be going but privately and have not told him and I have no intention of telling him I am going.

I have said repeatedly that I dont want to be in the same room as him again. I certainly wont be getting into a car with him!

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RandomMess · 25/10/2019 06:54

@SarahNade

OP said yes to attending this weekend she hasn't said anything about going to Dick.

WhatWouldYouDoNext · 25/10/2019 06:56

What does your therapist say?

I'm on the waiting list - it hasn't started yet Sad

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SarahNade · 25/10/2019 07:00

It seems I've misread your post. I'm sorry, I got it wrong OP. Please disregard my ignorant post. Blush

SarahNade · 25/10/2019 07:01

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WhatWouldYouDoNext · 25/10/2019 07:24

Haha no worries, Sarah. It's hard to keep track sometimes!!

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BlouseAndSkirt · 25/10/2019 07:35

I’ll tell you what I like about Towel ‘s approach.

From your efforts so far, If I was a band member, I would feel you were sending me into battle in the front line in your behalf. Apart from the time you told him at the beginning of the summer that his behaviour had changed, you have not actually pro actively or directly challenged his behaviour or asked him to explain himself or told him to stop it. This isn’t a criticism, I know how hard it is, but without this it may feel to band members as if you are tskkkng about him behind his back and expecting them to be the ones to deal with it for you.

If they see you being willing to be assertive, a bit more kick-ass on your own behalf, they may well feel much more comfortable about sticking up for you. And being definite and assertive about your boundaries will help this.

In any case I think you should speak to him very directly about the face push. Tell him that he crossed a line and you will not be sharing a car with him ever again.

WhatWouldYouDoNext · 25/10/2019 07:43

BlouseAndSkirt

I agree and I think that is what was making me feel awkward about the idea of telling everyone.

I accept that I made a mistake in allowing the friendship to resume once the summer was over and things seemed to have improved but it also seemed reasonable to give a second chance.

Tbf, it hadn't resumed in the same way. I have seen him on my own twice since the start of September whereas previously we'd have seen each other alone once or twice a week on average. So it was more a superficial resuming of the friendship for the purposes of keeping the peace - I was still wary and conscious around him.

But this has shown me now that he is not a safe person for me to be around, he is escalating it, it's not anything I've done and I dont want anything more to do with him.

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custardbear · 25/10/2019 07:46

I've been thinking about your post this morning and I've Popped back in to say well done to you, after your past experiences with abusive behaviours, well done for putting your foot down now and saying 'no, enough is enough I'm pushing back now, not putting up with this and being consumed' good for you @WhatWouldYouDoNext

Please don't leave the band, you're not in the wrong here

FranneKipankinstein · 25/10/2019 08:29

Stop going over it all ad Infinitum .
Practice the "Dick "
I think there is a Sparks song " You've Earned the Right to be called a Dick "
Well , he has .

PRACTICE: DICK , DICK , DICK !

WhatWouldYouDoNext · 25/10/2019 09:41

Thanks! Feel so much better about it than I have all week. Going to take Towel' advice.

Will let you know how it goes!!

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FinnBalorsAbs · 25/10/2019 13:55

Good luck @WhatWouldYouDoNext - you're definitely handling this in a rational and reasonable way.

Pinkbonbon · 25/10/2019 14:17

Just a thought but, is it possible his marriage is on the rocks? Or his wife is finally pushing back in some way against his crap? Because it sounds like youve only recently become his primary target (or primary supply...).

I had a 'friend' who seemed fine (a little stuck up and self important at times just) for for the first year and a half of the friendship...but then her partner broke up with her and it was as if I became her competition, that she was determined to smite. I made excuses for her for probably another year and a half (during which she got steadily worse and more insidious). I know now that she was a narcissist and basically when they lose one supply, they desperately need to find another. I think because I was a close friend, it became me. She also likely hated me for being happy in myself when she so desperately needed other people to validate her self worth. But yeh I look back now and realise that it was when her bf walked away that she made me the prime target.

Sorry, off on a ramble there. Bug yeah, just cause u said he's only been this way a few months and you weren't sure why after an 8 year friendship. In my exp, if its what I think it is, he'll only get worse,as others have said.

Bluerussian · 25/10/2019 14:40

Can't ask for anything more, WhatWouldYouDoNext.

Very well done!

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