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Husband says we’re over

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At17 · 20/10/2019 14:06

My DH has told me that he no longer wants to be married to me. We have been together for over twenty years and have two teenage children.

I’m in shock, I think. A few weeks ago we were making plans but now he says he hasn’t been happy for years. I honestly thought we were. Not perfect, married life isn’t always fun and games but we were a good team.

He wants us to stay living together for a while until he figures out what he wants to do. I find the thought intolerable, to be honest. At the same time though, the thought of telling the children and him moving out feels intolerable too.

This has come as a surprise to me and I think I just need advice from people who have been through it and reassurance that the children will be ok in the end. I feel like I’m failing them so badly.

OP posts:
Awaywiththepiskies · 27/10/2019 13:48

You are supposed to be grateful because in his eyes you are 100% responsible for the children and he has 0% responsibility

And furthermore, in his eyes, because none of the things you do for the children or for him are paid "work" he's perfectly entitled to both require you to do this work, but throw it in your face that he brings in all the money.

Drabarni · 27/10/2019 14:00

I think you are so strong and coping admirably. Please cancel the cc, who knows what he will treat ow to now you have had the confidence to stand up to him.
Cancel it ASAP, I wouldn't trust him for one minute.

Quitedrab · 27/10/2019 14:02

My husband often said how lucky I was that he was so hands on with our children, compared to other men.

He really likes himself, doesn't he. Maybe he also walked down the street thinking, I have superb posture. How lucky she is to be married to such a fine figure of a man.

hazandduck · 27/10/2019 15:16

Gah the more you reveal about him the worse he sounds and the more I think your life is going to be sooo much better without him!

ScreamingLadySutch · 27/10/2019 15:24

@At17 do you have a credit card in your name? This is very important. If you don't, get one now before your status changes.

Then please follow this advice: I'd be inclined to pay the balance of the joint credit card from the joint account and then cancel the card.

Get examples like this together for when you see your solicitor and follow their advice. The only reason I'd be cancelling joint credit cards is so he can't leave you in debt.

Monitor spending outside the marriage so you can claim it back financially.

There are a lot of us vipers who have been through this, and all the advice you are given, even though it sounds very tough, has been learned the hard way.

He is no longer your friend. Women's old age is very lopsided financially compared to men's.
You are fighting for your secure future. Do not go for anything less than 50% - as a starting point.

CallmeAngelina · 27/10/2019 15:33

I'm always taken aback at the number of women on here who say that "oh but he's a good dad." When presses on it, what they mean is that he might take them to the park every now and again if there's no football on, giving the OP in question an hour or so to get on with some household chores. Makes me furious.

bakesalesally · 27/10/2019 16:21

Oh that pisses me off. My dad always sings DH's praises and if I am on the warpath, says to me ´he does more than I ever did.'
I always think to myself 'well, that says more about you then him. He's my partner and we do this 50/50.'

I don't understand how men expect praise for participating in the caring for the family that they helped to create.

longtimelurkerhelen · 27/10/2019 16:44

Wht drives me mad is the "helping" as if it's not their job too and how we should all be greatful and make a big fuss if they do what they should.

Where is the fuss for women when they just get on with it?

SchadenfiendeUnmortified · 27/10/2019 16:47

He wants us to stay living together for a while until he figures out what he wants to do.

I'll bet he does!

To hell with your feelings, or what you and your children might want/need.

My heart is breaking for you.

longtimelurkerhelen · 27/10/2019 16:53

@bakesalesally

Don't just keep it to yourself, tell him.

My Dad would say "I helped mum out by loading/unloading the dishwasher" etc. I just laughed and said did you not use any of the things washed then? He said he did, I said so how are you helping Mum then? You are helping yourself. He looked baffled. FFS

My Mum worked longer hours than my Dad and had at least 95% of the domestic load too. It's so great that Women can have it all now Angry

Graphista · 27/10/2019 17:32

“They haven't split, they're still married and he's committing adultery. Which is grounds for divorce. So yes, big wow.” Morally I agree, legally it’s not that simple unfortunately.

They have split in the eyes of the law even though they’re not yet divorced.

I went through all this bollocks with ex and my divorce, I wanted to divorce on grounds of adultery (as that was the reason as far as I was concerned) it was most disheartening to be told that you basically have to have photos of them in the act! Before a court/judge will seriously consider, even my ex getting her pregnant wasn’t sufficient proof as both my lawyers said that he could easily claim child not his and few courts/judges would order an expensive dna test to prove otherwise.

I was told the best I could do was divorce on “unreasonable behaviour” and include in the narrative section the reasons I believed he was unfaithful as part of those grounds, I was also encouraged to include other bad behaviour of his in order to get the divorce through. It matters nothing to anyone but the divorcing parties really but I included ow name in that narrative which they were both livid about but it was worded in such a way that he couldn’t insist I remove it. There are ways around things to a degree.

He tried to sort of “counter sue” citing unreasonable behaviour of mine but what he was citing was utter nonsense that I was easily able to disprove.

The interesting part came when he sat on the financial disclosure for MONTHS purely to delay the divorce as she was pushing for them to marry before baby born, he was telling her it was ME delaying but as soon as I became aware of this his insistence on her being present when I handed dd over for contact backfired when the next time after that realisation I handed her an envelope containing copies of all the back and forward correspondence between me, my lawyer, him and his lawyer which proved it was HIM delaying and she was then furious with him!

Re credit card it’s difficult, on the one hand I think it could be really useful to play ignorant and perhaps gain more information, but I’m also concerned he could run up debt that op is then at least partly liable for which she doesn’t need either. Tough one. Op best placed to decide that one I think.

The advice to collate all info before seeing lawyer is good, I was fortunate enough to divorce when legal aid was still available if you had a low income (it’s a disgrace this has been withdrawn imo) but I wasted time which would have run up the bill both with not knowing what info the lawyer would need and also by stupidly treating her as a therapist to a degree.

Hindsight is an exact science and I suspect many of us posting advice are advising not only based on what we did but what we’ve been through and from a perspective of not making the mistakes we did, it’s one of those experiences that you don’t really know how it works till you’re going through it and don’t truly comprehend all the nuances till you’re out the other side.

“There are a lot of us vipers who have been through this, and all the advice you are given, even though it sounds very tough, has been learned the hard way.” Exactly!

SunshineCake · 27/10/2019 17:56

You'll come out of this feeling much better than he will, At17 Wine.

At17 · 27/10/2019 18:02

I’m all over the place today. Gritty determination earlier and now just finished a 90 minute sobfest. God, this is so hard. I just want to sleep but I can’t, my brain refuses to stop thinking.

OP posts:
zhaviva · 27/10/2019 18:25

You are doing so well!! It's ok to cry it out sometimes

SunshineCake · 27/10/2019 18:25

Don't be so hard on yourself. You are bound to be mourning the loss of how things were as well as the future you assumed you had.

Robin2323 · 27/10/2019 18:28

Just let it out.
Bottling it makes it worse.
It's honest , raw emotion and needs release.
You will get through this Thanks

TuttiFrutti123 · 27/10/2019 18:30

Hugs OP. You've come so, so far in just one week. Crying is good, it's the bodies way of dealing with all these emotions.

Do you have a bath? How about you head off for a cosy candlelit bubble bath to help you sleep and head of to bed when the kids go to their beds tonight.

Take care Flowers

Alwaysgrey · 27/10/2019 18:30

You’ll probably going through a cycle. And crying over what you’ve had is normal. It’s better to not bottle it up. He’s been a bastard. And the anger will drive you but it’s okay to feel sad too.

longtimelurkerhelen · 27/10/2019 18:30

Give yourself a break, it's only been a week. It's good to cry.

Flowers
crosstalk · 27/10/2019 18:34

OP Do not leave your home even to stay with your parents. Your DC need to be in place and reassured. Do the document checks, and sort out your income - including making sure you know what's being withdrawn. And contact a solicitor.

And if he wants out, just tell him to leave and sort himself out but not before you both tell the children together. He can't just tell you it's over but that thank you, he'll stay in the home while he works it all out.

Drogonssmile · 27/10/2019 19:55

Op if you're able to, put on some headphones and listen to an audiobook or podcast. They're brilliant to stop the brain chatter and focus your mind on something else without having to even hold anything or concentrate on reading. You're doing brilliantly. You're going to have wobbly moments (or hours) but that's fine. You're only human!

Mum45678 · 27/10/2019 20:52

My husband often said how lucky I was that he was so hands on with our children, compared to other men. I keep thinking how lucky men are to be thought of as wonderful parents simply by being involved in a very basic sense in the lives of their children.

Yes, my STBXH said all this too. He also made a massive fuss about my birthday and Mother's Day as well. Read up about covert narcissism. I now realise this was so he could brag about how he was such a wonderful husband and father not about us. It also helped me understand how he could discard me with such cruelty and callousness because for him, it was like taking off a mask that didn't suit him anymore. It is a bit "untangling the skein" as Chump Lady would say but it helped me realise that the person I loved didn't really exist and move along the grieving process.

So proud that you are being strong - it took me more than a month to get to the point where you are. I managed to file for adultery because he admitted it (with a smirk on his face no less) but file on unreasonable behaviour as soon as you can.

feelinghelplesstoday · 27/10/2019 22:22

Ah @At17 it's a real rollercoaster but you are doing so well. Crying is good bottling it up is bad.
Find something to relax you-audio book or something. Try to rest.
Tomorrow is a fresh day and you are doing so well. Sending love xx

WhenISnappedAndFarted · 27/10/2019 22:27

You're going to have good days and bad days. You will get through it and come out the other side.

feckinarse · 28/10/2019 01:13

Aah, it's going to be a horrible rollercoaster, OP, and that's okay. You're grieving the life you thought you had. You're grieving the man you thought you knew. You're grieving what could/should have been.

The truth is, grief is the right response. It's a horrific loss, it's cruel, and it's unfair. Hours of crying is totally acceptable, if that's what you feel like, it can help.
You just also need to do the lawyer, collect paperwork, get the money, secure your future, help the children stuff.

And in a way, that's the unfairest part. He swans off into the sunset thinking his shit doesn't stink, and you do all the work of picking up his mess.. .

Well, this is the last time! This divorce is the last time you have to clear up after him. And you're doing brilliantly, you really are. Flowers keep your chin up. We're all rooting for you.

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