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Advice please - DP gone AWOL due to ex partner’s tragedy

307 replies

Arrivaycida · 14/10/2019 19:45

I’ve been dating a man (DP) since April. Everything was going really well. We were exclusive and have mutual friends, so I thought everything was above board.

About 3 weeks ago one of our mutual friends told me that my DP’s ex-partner of 10 years (who I knew about) had suddenly lost her teenage daughter in a freak accident in the UK and was coming to the UK to deal with funeral stuff and admin and the body. Obviously I was very empathetic - as much as you can be for somebody you have never met. Mutual friend also told me that DP’s ex had always suffered from poor mental health and she believed that this event might actually now tip her over the edge.

I mentioned it to DP who seemed extremely affected by it. His ex had already called him. Everything then happened so quickly. DP and I were not living together but had been seeing each other and staying over at my house once or twice a week and at weekends. He has continued to see and speak to me everyday, kept in regular touch, called me most evenings, but as far as I know he has spent every night that she has been in the UK, with her, at her house (which she has here but doesn’t live in.)

According to him and mutual friends, they are not having sex or back in a relationship, they are just spending time together and she is crying and on the verge of suicide, and he is helping her through it. He also knew her daughter well, was a surrogate father to her, and so this is profoundly affecting him as well. Apparently when she returns abroad (she is going back and forth) she has a partner who she has been with since they split.

I’ve tried to be really empathetic and understanding about this while at the same time withdrawing myself. He has now not stayed over at my house or slept with me for three weeks. Every time I ask questions about what’s going on and what he’s doing, I get a defensive response - as in I “should know exactly what he is doing” - “pulling her back from the brink of suicide.” Even our mutual friends have the same attitude.

As a result, last week, I politely ended things with him, stopped answering his calls and texts and asked him to give me space. The result was him haranguing me, apparently heartbroken, that I had finished things at such a “difficult time” in his life and saying that he is confused as to why I have done this and I need to explain why, we need to work it out and and that I am being unreasonable for not respecting his need to take time out and ending things with him so abruptly.

We have gone back and forth over this now for a week. Every night we exhaust the conversation and end up at odds. He does not see why him “helping out a dear friend and ex partner” should impact me so strongly that I finish our relationship. I can’t believe that he is so ignorant as to not see the affect this would have on me and our relationship.

He talks in gory detail about the death and all his ex-P’s feelings and suicide threats as if they should shock me into realising why he is doing what he is doing. I presume the result he wants is that I feel guilty for even suggesting there is anything else going on. As much as I empathise, I don’t feel it is right for him to be spending most nights at her house. What are they even doing? Why does he need to stay over? He says he is on suicide watch - but that is not his responsibility.

He makes the point that he and I are still speaking daily and seeing each other, that he has not been unavailable, that the only part of our relationship that is “temporarily” on hold is the sleeping together / sex. Then he reduces it to things like “why are you saying sex is more important than me attending to my close friend? If you love me and care about me, you will understand my need to prioritise.” Or “if I have to choose between sex and helping out my close friend - I choose helping her out.” It’s like a way of making me look like i’m being unreasonable.

Late at night on Friday after i’d gone to sleep I found he’d sent me a few sex texts - presumably to keep me roped in or to prove that he still sees us in a romantic relationship. But he was probably at her house?

When he doesn’t hear from me he calls and texts me incessantly about how unfair I am being for giving up on him because of this. Mutual friends who I have spoken to are agreeing with him saying it is only a temporary thing and she will soon return, after everything is dealt with, back abroad again.

Apparently their split was mutual and happened four years ago.

What the hell is going on?

OP posts:
Undecided84 · 15/10/2019 17:56

The virtue signalling on this thread is off the charts!

The OP did what any sensible person would do, given the fact that her partner was using the details of the tragedy to avoid giving her a proper explanation of why he is one the very odd situation of being his ex's sole source of support and living with his ex for an indeterminate period of time.

Even when questioning the OP's decision to break up, he chose to send the OP guilt trip laden messages rather than giving her a full explanation.

She broke up with him because he is not communicating with her and he is using emotional blackmail to avoid explaining himself.

category12 · 15/10/2019 18:12

It's not the case that the chap is not explaining himself - OP is presumably aware of a lot more information than we are. She hasn't actually shared much background at all.

For a start, we don't know if the mum lived abroad and moved to the UK for a period and then moved back, or if she emigrated, or whether she has family in the UK.

Presumably she would also know if it was her boyfriend's choice to drop contact with the dd, or whether it had been hers. (For several periods with my ex-step-dad, I wasn't in contact for a variety of reasons, none of them active estrangement, nor by his choice).

Ahundredpercentthatbitch · 15/10/2019 18:22

So she’s here in a country she doesn’t live in, her daughter has just died, and her partner didn’t come with her? She’s got no other friends or family supporting? Yeah right.

OldAndWornOut · 15/10/2019 18:23

It seems a hell of a lot of trouble to go to just to have sex with the ex, I'd say.

Ahundredpercentthatbitch · 15/10/2019 18:28

Is it though? What trouble has he gone through really?

Do you definitely know he’s even telling the truth OP?

crazyhead · 15/10/2019 18:48

I get how you can't understand why he, specifically, is the one who is now playing this very central role in his ex's life, after a four year absence (though there may be a good reason). I can also see how his behaviour might seem very partner-like rather than friend-like with his ex, if he is staying at her house every night.

I don't really know what that means for you, or your boyfriend and ex, in the future. Might mean nothing at all (or just that she wants to be with someone who knew and loved her child), or might bring up some complex stuff.

The trouble is, these are questions for later, not now. Three weeks is too soon. I would personally have tried to reserve judgement, and been kind and seen how things played out for a lot longer. The weight of the past is heavy on your boyfriend and you have only been together for a short time.

Sittinonthefloor · 15/10/2019 18:59

Nearly everyone on this thread is kidding themselves. I think in reality most people would do as the op has. She’s realised that she isn’t particularly important to her boyfriend & has chosen to end the relationship. Very few people would be happy for their partner to go and stay with ex from 4 yrs ago for an extended period whatever reason.

Fuckenstein · 15/10/2019 19:14

I actually agree with the posters that have said the OP dumped the ex just to get his attention.

If the OP has onky been with this guy 6 months, how does she know there has been zero contact with the child for 4 years?

My partner was a step dad for 10 years. He came into the child's life when she was 3 months old. When he and his ex split up the child decided to cut contact out of respect for her mother. I know he is gutted about it and would truly be devastated if the girl died. Just because they haven't been in contact doesn't mean he had stopped loving her.

LunasOrchid · 15/10/2019 19:19

@Fuckenstein So you would be happy for your partner to go and stay with his ex for at least 3 weeks despite the fact she has a partner of 4 years?

I don't believe anyone who claims they would be OK with this.

itsmecathycomehome · 15/10/2019 19:19

"She broke up with him because he is not communicating with her and he is using emotional blackmail to avoid explaining himself."

He has seen her every single day. How can he not be communicating?

And I don't read it as emotional blackmail. He likes op and wants her to understand the position he's in. Some of her questions, such as how long he will be supporting ex, he will simply be unable to answer.

TheVoiceInTheShed · 15/10/2019 19:20

Well now you've shown him who you are, I hope he believes you and runs for the hills.

itsmecathycomehome · 15/10/2019 19:23

" So you would be happy for your partner to go and stay with his ex for at least 3 weeks despite the fact she has a partner of 4 years? "

Boyfriend of six months, knocked for six by the sudden death of a child he raised for ten years, supporting the suicidal mother of said child for a matter of weeks as she has no other support in this country, whilst still meeting up with me daily? Yes. But then I do like to show kindness wherever possible and not behave like a callous twat.

LunasOrchid · 15/10/2019 19:29

@itsmecathycomehome

  • An ex and child he has had zero contact with for 4 years
  • He claims is suicidal but no one else is nowhere to be seen 🤔
  • BF then deliberately avoiding questions about other possible support networks such as family/partner.

Very odd.

fruitinaheapisnotabirthdaycake · 15/10/2019 19:33

Yanbu. You did the right thing. He is probably sleeping with his ex.

prawnsword · 15/10/2019 19:37

So...he is keeping her company at night & leaving during the day. How will this help stop someone from self harming? It’s entirely possible he is using this event to get close to his ex, encouraging her to let him be there for her during this time & he is still going to work etc during the day, seeing OP then ducking off to his ex’s for the night. If she is so suicidal how exactly is what he is doing helping in reality?

cabbageking · 15/10/2019 19:38

you have only been dating him since April?

He has 10 years of memories and feelings to manage.

He sounds like he is doing a difficult job and you may wish to be supportive. He sounds like a good man?

Frouby · 15/10/2019 19:39

I have a dd, raised by dh since she was 2, together for 13 years. If, god forbid, dd died and dh and I had split up prior to that I would expect him to be devastated. And probably with me rather than a recent girlfriend.

It's frustrating. You feel like he has checked out of your relationship. At this moment in time he has. Either pick it up when he is ready, or just put it on a back burner for now and carry on with your life.

Ifeelinclined · 15/10/2019 19:49

I think you made a perfectly reasonable decision to end things. He's obviously decided to commit himself to taking care of her, and when is it going to end? You are getting a really harsh time on here.

Ifeelinclined · 15/10/2019 19:50

I think you made a perfectly reasonable decision to end things. He's obviously decided to commit himself to taking care of her, and when is it going to end? You are getting a really harsh time on here.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 15/10/2019 19:50

Good to see yet another calm, common sense filled post from @FizzyGreenWater among the general pile on

I don't think anyone - least of all OP - have denied the awful trauma this poor mum's going through; instead they've simply wondered about her Ex's role in it all considering that "she also has close family here". Personally I'd have thought he might hold the fort until they could take over rather than make himself the main focus of the support, and I'm also mindful of OP's view that "what he wants is to know he still has me"

We're all different though, and just as the guy's free to make his own choices in this fairly new relationship, so is OP

Puzzledandpissedoff · 15/10/2019 19:59

Also, while nobody seems to know where the mum's partner of 4 years is in this, has anyone stopped to wonder how he might feel about her ex staying with her every night for 3 weeks?

It matters less than the issue of her appalling loss of course, but all the same it's just a thought ... ?

Fuckenstein · 15/10/2019 20:28

LunasOrchid honestly? I would struggle with it. I really would. But I hope I would be grown up enough to get over myself and realise that it's not about me.

I was just pointing out that not being in contact doesn't mean anything. My DP is gutted he doesn't see his step daughter and misses her so much.

billy1966 · 15/10/2019 20:57

OP,

I think you are getting a very hard time on here.

Accepting that he is devastated and supporting his ex after the terrible death of a child, I think it is likely that he will be unavailable for a considerable amount of time.

Your relationship is not a long one and I think that it is perfectly reasonable and absolutely your right to decide what is best for you.

In the face of such vague information and such an open ended situation, I think your decision is reasonable.

I don't think it sounds like ye are suited.

Best to move on.

Re grief, people don't necessarily have to have constantly been in touch to feel huge grief at someone's death.

Also their 10 relationship most likely occurred when this girl was growing up. The OP's boyfriend could be the person this poor mother shares most key memories with.
Whilst he may be just being very kind and supportive to this poor Ex, the OP has every right to decide that waiting around is not for her.

I certainly don't think she deserves the roasting she is getting on here.

itsmecathycomehome · 15/10/2019 21:11

"- An ex and child he has had zero contact with for 4 years

  • He claims is suicidal but no one else is nowhere to be seen 🤔
  • BF then deliberately avoiding questions about other possible support networks such as family/partner.

Very odd."

  • because she lived abroad with a new stepdad.
-it isn't just him who claims she's suicidal is it? Mutual friends have told op the same. -you're right, she doesn't appear to have anyone else to support her.

All things considered I'll take my cue from the pp on here who have been in the bereaved woman's position over anyone who thinks they can imagine how she's feeling.

LunasOrchid · 15/10/2019 21:15
  • because she lived abroad with a new stepdad.
-it isn't just him who claims she's suicidal is it? Mutual friends have told op the same. -you're right, she doesn't appear to have anyone else to support her.
  • So moving abroad means no contact for four years? If they wanted to remain in contact they could via social media/video calls etc.
  • Yeah because he's probably telling the friends the same, that she's suicidal. How else would they know?
  • She has a partner and BF hasn't mentioned where he is over the past 3 weeks.