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Advice please - DP gone AWOL due to ex partner’s tragedy

307 replies

Arrivaycida · 14/10/2019 19:45

I’ve been dating a man (DP) since April. Everything was going really well. We were exclusive and have mutual friends, so I thought everything was above board.

About 3 weeks ago one of our mutual friends told me that my DP’s ex-partner of 10 years (who I knew about) had suddenly lost her teenage daughter in a freak accident in the UK and was coming to the UK to deal with funeral stuff and admin and the body. Obviously I was very empathetic - as much as you can be for somebody you have never met. Mutual friend also told me that DP’s ex had always suffered from poor mental health and she believed that this event might actually now tip her over the edge.

I mentioned it to DP who seemed extremely affected by it. His ex had already called him. Everything then happened so quickly. DP and I were not living together but had been seeing each other and staying over at my house once or twice a week and at weekends. He has continued to see and speak to me everyday, kept in regular touch, called me most evenings, but as far as I know he has spent every night that she has been in the UK, with her, at her house (which she has here but doesn’t live in.)

According to him and mutual friends, they are not having sex or back in a relationship, they are just spending time together and she is crying and on the verge of suicide, and he is helping her through it. He also knew her daughter well, was a surrogate father to her, and so this is profoundly affecting him as well. Apparently when she returns abroad (she is going back and forth) she has a partner who she has been with since they split.

I’ve tried to be really empathetic and understanding about this while at the same time withdrawing myself. He has now not stayed over at my house or slept with me for three weeks. Every time I ask questions about what’s going on and what he’s doing, I get a defensive response - as in I “should know exactly what he is doing” - “pulling her back from the brink of suicide.” Even our mutual friends have the same attitude.

As a result, last week, I politely ended things with him, stopped answering his calls and texts and asked him to give me space. The result was him haranguing me, apparently heartbroken, that I had finished things at such a “difficult time” in his life and saying that he is confused as to why I have done this and I need to explain why, we need to work it out and and that I am being unreasonable for not respecting his need to take time out and ending things with him so abruptly.

We have gone back and forth over this now for a week. Every night we exhaust the conversation and end up at odds. He does not see why him “helping out a dear friend and ex partner” should impact me so strongly that I finish our relationship. I can’t believe that he is so ignorant as to not see the affect this would have on me and our relationship.

He talks in gory detail about the death and all his ex-P’s feelings and suicide threats as if they should shock me into realising why he is doing what he is doing. I presume the result he wants is that I feel guilty for even suggesting there is anything else going on. As much as I empathise, I don’t feel it is right for him to be spending most nights at her house. What are they even doing? Why does he need to stay over? He says he is on suicide watch - but that is not his responsibility.

He makes the point that he and I are still speaking daily and seeing each other, that he has not been unavailable, that the only part of our relationship that is “temporarily” on hold is the sleeping together / sex. Then he reduces it to things like “why are you saying sex is more important than me attending to my close friend? If you love me and care about me, you will understand my need to prioritise.” Or “if I have to choose between sex and helping out my close friend - I choose helping her out.” It’s like a way of making me look like i’m being unreasonable.

Late at night on Friday after i’d gone to sleep I found he’d sent me a few sex texts - presumably to keep me roped in or to prove that he still sees us in a romantic relationship. But he was probably at her house?

When he doesn’t hear from me he calls and texts me incessantly about how unfair I am being for giving up on him because of this. Mutual friends who I have spoken to are agreeing with him saying it is only a temporary thing and she will soon return, after everything is dealt with, back abroad again.

Apparently their split was mutual and happened four years ago.

What the hell is going on?

OP posts:
blackcat86 · 15/10/2019 14:01

This whole stinks of being appropriate. If the mother is suicidal then she needs professional help and support, not someone who she hasnt seen for 4 years who then shares the personal things she has said and the 'gory details' of her daughter's death with his gf. You have every right to withdraw from this relationship and IMO you are doing the right thing. The way he has reacted to you withdrawing is a massive red flag. This man is a boundary invader and if this poor mother is finding some genuine comfort then that's understandable but you are also allowed to have your own boundaries. You should applaud yourself on having decent boundaries and a good gut instinct for this behaviour.

CampingItUp · 15/10/2019 14:22

The 4 year break in his relationship with the girl is irrelevant. The shock must be immense. I very much doubt that the mother had sex on her mind.

However.

It may be that the tragedy brings them back together. Who knows?

You have two choices, dump him because he is not behaving hie you would like him to, or give him space and be supportive while he goes through this.

You have chosen the former, not sure what you want us to say?

sopsmum · 15/10/2019 14:28

Op you sound quite selfish to be honest. Your new relationship doesn't trump everything. Your boyfriend sounds like a very nice man.

Cecilandsnail · 15/10/2019 14:34

I think I'm in camp minority here. It's a dreadful tragedy that this woman has lost her child, but the burden of the aftermath isn't the op's to carry. It is ok to end a relationship for any reason. Whilst it would be admirable if op stuck around supporting him from afar until he is ready to resume a relationship, she is NOT obligated to do so. It is not 'cold' or selfish or heartless or anything else to say 'actually, this situation is too much for me' and bow out graciously. The man clearly has too much going on to sustain a new relationship at this moment in time, and the op is in no way a bad person to feel the relationship, in these circumstances, isn't one she is able to stay in.

joystir59 · 15/10/2019 14:34

Imo you are being unwise. You should give him space and time. Stop making this about you, continue to be supportive and empathetic. You should also spend this time with your own friends and family. This is one of those situations that break a couple or strengthen the relationship. You are letting it break your's.

Cecilandsnail · 15/10/2019 14:35

And I totally agree with a pp that the drama has been created by the man, not the op. I'm gobsmacked at some of the replies tbh!

sweetiepie1979 · 15/10/2019 14:41

OP I think he is better off without you, you have been totally unreasonable!

hellsbellsmelons · 15/10/2019 14:43

I'm gobsmacked at some of the replies tbh!
Me too - I have an ex who was a surrogate dad to my DD for 6 years.
If anything happened to her, HE would be the very last person I would turn to. I would want my wonderful friends and family around me. Not my ExP. WTF would I want that?
It's an odd choice from her and one I would be very wary of, as OP is!
And it's been over for less time for me than 4 years!

sweetiepie1979 · 15/10/2019 14:43

Breaking up with him right now is creating a Drama you could have bowed out gracefully and slowly under the circumstances but you made it about you

Treesthemovie · 15/10/2019 14:48

I think it sounds dodgy. Of course when a tragic death like this one is involved people will jump to call you selfish because it's such an emotive topic, but I think you're right on feeling something isn't quite right here OP.

He hasn't seen the exes daughter in 4 years so they clearly weren't close. It would be expected for him to be upset, but his ex has friends, family and a partner, yet it is your ex who is staying at the house full time supporting her through this? And you haven't seen him at all for 3 weeks. Really, why not?

More than anything, he hasn't accepted you trying to break up with him or your reasons for it, when you have every right to. Big red flag. If he was so cut up, he wouldn't have time to bombard you with these messages. He seems to have little respect for your feelings, whether or not the situation with ex is reasonable.

Treesthemovie · 15/10/2019 14:53

Ah sorry I have misread - OP has seen him every day.

CatherineOfAragonsPrayerBook · 15/10/2019 14:53

cecilandsnail How has the drama been created by the man? He didn't choose to end the relationship, the OP did, suddenly, whilst he is going through an extremely difficult time. How much would that hurt? How bewildered would you be? You don't think it's drama to 'gracefully'Hmm withdraw support from a partner (who was phoning regularly, keeping contact) when they are probably grief stricken and not thinking straight, because for once, its suddenly not all about you?

The OP wanted the response she got, which was for the man to come running or she wouldn't be giving time to rehashing it with him over and over. Notice she's taking and answering those calls.

She complained that they have not slept together. Says that she suspects he and ex are fucking (despite the mother just losing her child!!) and even their joint friends think he just being supportive. It's a prime example of clingy, jealous, controlling behaviour, and if the OP was a man she'd be told that.

puppyconfetti · 15/10/2019 14:57

agree with other posters who are questioning why the woman's current partner, close family members etc are not supporting his suicidal ex partner.

When people feel suicidal their closest are often the last to know.

TheBatsHaveLeftTheBellTower · 15/10/2019 15:02

When people feel suicidal their closest are often the last to know.

True but that is usually in cases where there have been no signs that there is anything wrong.

Suicidal or not, surely family and friends would be rallying round at that time. Not an ex she hasn't seen for 4 years.

Tbh, if she were my friend or family, this OTT interest shown by an ex would give me cause for concern.

TequilaPilates · 15/10/2019 15:04

Why are some posters filling in the blanks here? The op has told us so little, especially the hard time she's been given.

If this ex partner has her new partner and friends available to support her then why hasn't the op said so? It would strengthen her case wouldn't it?

Maybe the new bf can't come here for any number of reasons - no passport, I'll, unable to travel, work commitments, children at home...

Maybe her family here aren't supportive or she's NC with them.

Why are some of you just assuming that there are all of these other people available to help?

Again, if the op really wants to break up why didn't she just do it? Why the nightly phone calls to discuss it? Because she only did it to try to get him to fight for her. She doesn't want it to end, she just wants him to leave the ex gf and come back to her.

TheBatsHaveLeftTheBellTower · 15/10/2019 15:07

As his current partner you could have supported him or if this was a deal breaker for you,and since he wasn't staying over,you could have waited

That's the point though, she isn't his partner. She's a girlfriend of 6 months and it's being suggested that she should wait around for an indefinite amount of time for a man who may or may not still want her if and when this passes. Which it won't because a child has died.

Therefore, I think she's done the right thing.

Cecilandsnail · 15/10/2019 16:18

The op says she withdrew, then ended it. It is the man who is calling and texting nightly. Op, you do need to clarify to him that this is too much, give your condolences and bow out and stop the calls though. But come on! It's a very very new relationship and it's clear he's not going to be in the place for it for a long time I imagine. I don't think the onus should be on the op to be his proxy support while he's supporting someone else. It's too soon and it's too much. It may not be for some, but for others it would be and there's nothing wrong with that.

Cecilandsnail · 15/10/2019 16:33

The bloke is phoning her. It would be quite harsh to ignore phone calls knowing someone is in that situation, but he is using those calls to act quite unreasonably, accusing the op of putting sex over the loss of the child. Using emotive language to guilt trip her. She's just struggling to maintain a relationship with someone who can't see her any more, as he is temporarily living with and supporting an ex. The op is getting so much grief for not being Mother bloody Theresa and it's not fair. He has got too much going on to sustain a new relationship. The op doesn't feel able to support him through it, and no one should be making her feel bad for that. It's a terrible shame all round by the sounds of it.

1forAll74 · 15/10/2019 16:34

Do you not have a heart,or understand anything about human nature ?
You matter to this man, but at the moment his mind and thoughts are elsewhere,for someone he once knew, and is obviously trying to help in some ways. This is what a nice person would do for someone.

If you give up on someone because of this,it says a lot about your understanding of people.

Sittinonthefloor · 15/10/2019 16:42

OP, if you want to break up with someone for ANY reason you can! That’s we date before we marry. He sounds more like a new boyfriend than a partner to me, and whilst it’s understandable that he’s upset it is odd that he’s the one person who has to look after her. Some men have a ‘white knight’ thing going on - they love to help a ‘damsel in distress’ and be the hero but can be careless with the feelings of the people who ought to be their priority. IME this a trait best avoided!
You’ve learnt a new thing about him & done the right thing imo.

picklemepopcorn · 15/10/2019 16:43

You were dating a guy for about six months. After he spent two weeks with his ex morning the loss of a child he cared for for ten years, though still staying in touch with you daily, you 'ended it and stopped and answering his texts and returning his calls'

That's pretty harsh.

CatherineOfAragonsPrayerBook · 15/10/2019 16:55

But come on! It's a very very new relationship and it's clear he's not going to be in the place for it for a long time I imagine.

Well no considering the OP's actions.

I don't think the onus should be on the op to be his proxy support while he's supporting someone else.

I agree if you're totally selfish this is true. She's his girlfriend. Normal to expect at least some support.

The bloke is phoning her. It would be quite harsh to ignore phone calls knowing someone is in that situation,

Not as harsh as putting someone in the midst of grief in that situation in the first place. She wants the nightly calls. It was the whole point.

but he is using those calls to act quite unreasonably, accusing the op of putting sex over the loss of the child.

The OP mentioned that they have not have sex for 3 weeks. He brought up sex because she did. She has also admitted she thinks they are fucking. So her thoughts are on sex. The fact sex has come into the conversation at all considering the circumstances is ridiculous. I'd be incredulous as well. What is unreasonable about him challenging that?

If the OP only ever wanted to remain a temporary girlfriend then this behaviour was the right way of going about it.

hellenbackagen · 15/10/2019 17:33

You are being awfully cold

No break up drama? So you think
Ghosting him is the way to
Do this at such a time ? You are making very unreasonable demands and because you haven't got your own way the teddy went out of the pram.
Selfish , cold, unreasonable behaviour under the circumstances.

The consensus is that you are in the wrong here because you are .

JenniferM1989 · 15/10/2019 17:34

Let's say you did politely end things so you could step back. Let's say that is what you did. Why are you engaging every night to argue? Why haven't you blocked his number if you truly feel that you need to step back?

Everything that you have done suggests you want all his attention back on you whether you've done that consciously or not. You want him to chase you about when he should really he grieving. It's not a nice thing to do OP. He also hasn't gone AWOL either. He just hasn't been staying over because he's opted to sit with his ex in her dark hours (night time is the worst) but that won't be forever. How can you really think either of them would be in the mood for sex after this? I highly doubt they are sleeping together.

I don't know if you're just used to getting things your own way or being the centre of attention or you just lack empathy, I'm not sure which it is but you're the one that has to live with the fact that you threw your toys out of the pram towards someone that has lost a step child figure, that girl has died and it will upset him of course and you're arguing every night with him and making him stoop low and send sexual messages when he probably doesn't even want to but wants to please you.

You really have got him running about chasing you and just turn and say it's annoying. Block him then. You never ended it to end it. You ended it to turn things around and have him begging. Real low OP. Take a look in the mirror the next time you walk by. Even your friends want you to get a grip of yourself and see the situation for what it is. If the ex has mental health issues, her family perhaps find it hard to deal with her or they are spending most of the day with her. Her partner could have his own kids and not be able to come to the UK and be with his partner, he could work away and be posted somewhere, they could be totally skint and not be able to afford two people travelling back and fourth. As you say, you don't know the situation. You don't have kids with your BF, you don't need him there as such as you are not experiencing a trauma but you feel entitled to have him over one or two nights as usual despite what may be going on in his life. You aren't entitled. He has an issue and a friend he wants to support.

You're forever going to be the woman that stomped her feet over the death of a young girl and how the support panned out over it. Does that make you feel good? And also the woman that accused two grief stricken people of sleeping together 🙄

SevenStones · 15/10/2019 17:44

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