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Advice please - DP gone AWOL due to ex partner’s tragedy

307 replies

Arrivaycida · 14/10/2019 19:45

I’ve been dating a man (DP) since April. Everything was going really well. We were exclusive and have mutual friends, so I thought everything was above board.

About 3 weeks ago one of our mutual friends told me that my DP’s ex-partner of 10 years (who I knew about) had suddenly lost her teenage daughter in a freak accident in the UK and was coming to the UK to deal with funeral stuff and admin and the body. Obviously I was very empathetic - as much as you can be for somebody you have never met. Mutual friend also told me that DP’s ex had always suffered from poor mental health and she believed that this event might actually now tip her over the edge.

I mentioned it to DP who seemed extremely affected by it. His ex had already called him. Everything then happened so quickly. DP and I were not living together but had been seeing each other and staying over at my house once or twice a week and at weekends. He has continued to see and speak to me everyday, kept in regular touch, called me most evenings, but as far as I know he has spent every night that she has been in the UK, with her, at her house (which she has here but doesn’t live in.)

According to him and mutual friends, they are not having sex or back in a relationship, they are just spending time together and she is crying and on the verge of suicide, and he is helping her through it. He also knew her daughter well, was a surrogate father to her, and so this is profoundly affecting him as well. Apparently when she returns abroad (she is going back and forth) she has a partner who she has been with since they split.

I’ve tried to be really empathetic and understanding about this while at the same time withdrawing myself. He has now not stayed over at my house or slept with me for three weeks. Every time I ask questions about what’s going on and what he’s doing, I get a defensive response - as in I “should know exactly what he is doing” - “pulling her back from the brink of suicide.” Even our mutual friends have the same attitude.

As a result, last week, I politely ended things with him, stopped answering his calls and texts and asked him to give me space. The result was him haranguing me, apparently heartbroken, that I had finished things at such a “difficult time” in his life and saying that he is confused as to why I have done this and I need to explain why, we need to work it out and and that I am being unreasonable for not respecting his need to take time out and ending things with him so abruptly.

We have gone back and forth over this now for a week. Every night we exhaust the conversation and end up at odds. He does not see why him “helping out a dear friend and ex partner” should impact me so strongly that I finish our relationship. I can’t believe that he is so ignorant as to not see the affect this would have on me and our relationship.

He talks in gory detail about the death and all his ex-P’s feelings and suicide threats as if they should shock me into realising why he is doing what he is doing. I presume the result he wants is that I feel guilty for even suggesting there is anything else going on. As much as I empathise, I don’t feel it is right for him to be spending most nights at her house. What are they even doing? Why does he need to stay over? He says he is on suicide watch - but that is not his responsibility.

He makes the point that he and I are still speaking daily and seeing each other, that he has not been unavailable, that the only part of our relationship that is “temporarily” on hold is the sleeping together / sex. Then he reduces it to things like “why are you saying sex is more important than me attending to my close friend? If you love me and care about me, you will understand my need to prioritise.” Or “if I have to choose between sex and helping out my close friend - I choose helping her out.” It’s like a way of making me look like i’m being unreasonable.

Late at night on Friday after i’d gone to sleep I found he’d sent me a few sex texts - presumably to keep me roped in or to prove that he still sees us in a romantic relationship. But he was probably at her house?

When he doesn’t hear from me he calls and texts me incessantly about how unfair I am being for giving up on him because of this. Mutual friends who I have spoken to are agreeing with him saying it is only a temporary thing and she will soon return, after everything is dealt with, back abroad again.

Apparently their split was mutual and happened four years ago.

What the hell is going on?

OP posts:
hellsbellsmelons · 15/10/2019 08:48

I'm going mainly against the grain here.
She has a partner. Where is that partner at her time of need? 4 years they have been together and he just leaves her to come over here on her own knowing she has MH issues.
Why is she not getting support from her family who live here?
Why aren't here close family rallying around helping her?
Why is it all down to OP's Ex?

Honestly OP, I'd send a last text stating that you are taking a massive step back while he is processing the loss. You don't expect or want any contact from him, he is to concentrate on the current situation. That you are going to block him so he can do just that. You have your own life to deal with and you are going to concentrate on that.

Harsh!? Maybe. But she has a lot of other support here. Her current partner should be supporting her.

Fabrichearts · 15/10/2019 08:54

@FizzyGreenWater has it right. Very objective and reasoned view. I think you're right to back away from this OP.

Sushiroller · 15/10/2019 08:56

Gosh I am surprised at the vitriol, I read your OP and thought "good for you" and thought you had strong boundaries Confused

I wouldn't like this one bit. Support is one thing but he sounds way over invested

I agree with @hellsbellsmelons

Honestly OP, I'd send a last text stating that you are taking a massive step back while he is processing the loss. You don't expect or want any contact from him, he is to concentrate on the current situation. That you are going to block him so he can do just that. You have your own life to deal with and you are going to concentrate on that.

adaline · 15/10/2019 09:38

I'd move in with a complete fucking stranger to support them if they'd lost a child and had no one else.

Um, really? And you don't think that would be crossing a massive boundary?

Sorry but I really don't think it's appropriate to practically move in with an ex partner four years down the line because their child has died Confused

By all means be supportive but he has a partner and his own home to go to!

RogueV · 15/10/2019 09:43

Wow I have read your post in disbelief

You are selfish and he’s had a lucky escape!

All because you want a shag?! He’s been messaging you nightly!

I still can’t get over what I’ve read...

CherryChapst1ck · 15/10/2019 09:57

I'm with you OP. Previous posters seem to be missing big chunks of your OP. And then subsequent ones where you say he's not had any contact for 4 years - doesn't scream doting step father to me

I think this is a guy you've been dating for 6 months so maybe not the partner you assume him to be and I think it's unreasonable of him to just up sticks and go and live with his ex (which is exactly what he's done ) and expect you to just accept this. Of course it's reasonable for him to offer support but all this reads to me is an OP with some strong boundaries.

I don't know the ins and outs and all the intricacies of this man and his relationships and neither do some of you lot, going to extremes to stick the boot in

Oliversmumsarmy · 15/10/2019 10:16

Also saying “my heart goes out to people” during a tragedy is just a platitude

How else do you say you get upset and think of the family and the young life that has been lost when you hear about another young life lost to knife crime on the tv. Or another such tragedy that involves a child

CatherineOfAragonsPrayerBook · 15/10/2019 10:23

Personally I'm just glad there are people like your (hopefully soon to be ex) partner in the world!

I have been through some very shitty times in my life and got through it due almost entirely to the kindest of strangers (some here on MN) and from support from totally unexpected and unlooked for places. Times when my family were not there for me.

People like you OP are part of the problem of this overly individualistic, 'I'm alright Jack' society we have.

You frankly sound narcissistic and I'm not convinced by your 'no contact for 4 years' update that was only posted after another poster suggested it as a means of explaining your behaviour.

Have some compassion! It's not 3 months. It's 3 weeks! And during that 3 weeks he has phoned and kept in contact with you. You are forcing the man to run after you, checking on you while he's grieving. You say he's not turned to you for support. He has! Support in this context is waiting, being patient, not jumping to conclusions, and offering to be a safe place to land. It isn't necessarily him pouring out his emotions, crying on your shoulder, being physical with you, or spending close time together. Grief manifests differently. You can support him by not causing drama, thus freeing up his mind to deal with the devastation he's dealing with.

Once the trial is over then he'd turn to you in the way you seem to expect. You say something like: "I'm right here if you need me anytime of day or night" then distract yourself by getting busy with other activities and your own life until he's ready to be 100% present again.

I suffer with general anxiety, so in your situation, I can imagine my inner bad voice saying 'What about me? Maybe they're fucking, maybe he will leave me for her, maybe they're rekindling their relationship, why don't I come first?!!!' But dear god I'd hope I had the grace to realise how selfish and ridiculous such thoughts are and I'd work hard to push them to one side and combat them.

Ironically your attitude may bring about the very scenario you fear!

I think breaking up is wise and the best course of action for both of you as you are not compatible and there will future conflicts ahead. Shame about your extremely shitty timing though.

prawnsword · 15/10/2019 10:28

It’s just a trite thing to say. The OP said she was as empathetic as one could be without having known this person personally. Most people when they hear of the death of someone they don’t know go “I’m sorry that sux, how awful” but it doesn’t consume them. How can it ? With so much suffering around the world if we empathised with it all on a personal level it would rightly destroy us ! The world is a bad place. It doesn’t mean you should go swooping in to save people from your past. I predict the boyfriend has a personal agenda. I think most people here giving the OP flack are thinking of how they would feel if they child died. But they aren’t empathising with how the OP feels having her boyfriend go AWOL to save his ex from suicide.

I am aussie but it sounds like an episode of Eastenders, as is often said here...all this drama suggests to me the boyfriend is enjoying his role a little too much here! 3 weeks sleeping over every night. If this was your husband say - how would these posters react?

QueenoftheBiscuitTin · 15/10/2019 10:29

Her partner should be doing all this.

RhinoskinhaveI · 15/10/2019 10:48

I think you are being unfairly attacked here OP
I think your partner is taking advantage of the situation, as another person said he seems to be enjoying his role a little too much.
He's very 'attracted' to this situation where there's an extremely vulnerable woman, it all feels a bit like predator salivating as he is drawn to the helpless needy pray, he's seeing an opportunity for sex with the ex.
His defensiveness about the situation and the way he tries to turn it around on you using 'DARVO' maneuvers (deny,accuse reverse victim and offender) I think this is very telling....

Arrivaycida · 15/10/2019 10:50

Thank you for further posts.

To those posters telling me I am a narcissist who lacks empathy - I think it would be more narcissistic to "own" the grief that does not belong to me.

And far from trying to make it about me, I am trying to withdraw from the situation with as little upset to my partner as possible.

OP posts:
category12 · 15/10/2019 10:57

You don't need to "own" any grief, but you don't appear to empathise much.

I remember when a childhood friend of mine was killed in a car-crash at 19, and the shockwaves that sent through her social circle, family & friends and the utter despair and collapse of her parents.

LifeonVenus · 15/10/2019 11:00

I think it would be natural after such a tragic loss to be drawn back to someone who was there when she was a child.

Can you not just try to be the bigger person here and support him while he supports her?

Your relationship is very new but he has 10 years of history with this woman who has now tragically lost her child, something most of us dread with all our hearts. She needs someone now. I know I would.

SquirrelsInJune · 15/10/2019 11:06

Maybe it's because I have a very similar mother to Prawnsword but I agree with them. I've seen the way my mother likes to swoop into action and play at being the benevolent guardian angel when someone dies. The reality is that she is thoroughly enjoying the drama of it all and the opportunity to make it all about her.

To me the big difference between a genuine supporter and someone like my mother is the extent to which they involve others. Genuine supporters tend to think along the lines of "What can we do to help?" and will rally as much back-up as they can, including the support of particular services in the area.

The other group want to remain at the centre of it all and will insist that only they can do what needs to be done. They don't want other people around because they feel that it somehow 'dilutes' their own importance.

Has the boyfriend been active in getting outside help for his ex?

RhinoskinhaveI · 15/10/2019 11:11

I agree he's making it all about him, he wants to play the superhero role and he wants the superhero reward at the end of it
Superman always gets his girl doesn't he....

aSofaNearYou · 15/10/2019 11:14

I feel like people are missing his attitude from your OP.

It would be one thing to be there for him while he helps his ex if he was grateful and/or just neutral, but in the OP it clearly says that he was defensive and rude about it before you'd even broken up with him. And since then he has been consistently deflecting, trying to use shock tactics to shame you, paint you as superficial by deliberately misunderstanding your concerns to be all about sex. Now, he is pulling out the "you're selfish for leaving me I need you" move. He sounds very manipulative and mean and you don't have to put up with that from somebody you've only known for six months.

It is always ok to walk away if supporting someone is too much for you, just like it's ok to leave someone with MH issues if the way it makes them behave is taking too much of a toll on you.

Shessobrave · 15/10/2019 11:15

@Arrivaycida My god OP are you quite alright?

You're ending a relationship with a man who's surrogate/ex-step daughter has DIED because you haven't had sex in 3 weeks?

Wow. Just wow. I have quite literally heard it all now.

Selfish and utterly, utterly shocking...

That poor bloke

Nixen · 15/10/2019 11:18

Um wow, lucky escape for him

Shessobrave · 15/10/2019 11:20

@Arrivaycida
Omg..... you actually think this poor woman is having sex just after her child has died???

Sickening. Your behaviour is appalling and abhorrent OP. Wow

I feel ill and my lord I am glad I don't know you

aweedropofsancerre · 15/10/2019 11:22

I am not sure about this one. They split 4 yrs ago, he has had no relationship since with the DC he allegedly brought up but didn’t remain in a relationship with her when he split with her mum. They haven’t seen each other in 4 yrs. Really odd that he immediately assumed the role of her only support.Has she no family, friends and where is the DC actual father? All rather odd and he sounds like someone who wants to get involved in the drama ,maybe it’s guilt for not bothering to maintain a relationship with this DC. Anyway I would feel uncomfortable too and think it was right to back away and let him get on with it.

Shessobrave · 15/10/2019 11:25

@Undecided84 @FizzyGreenWater
How do you know her partner is able to travel? How do you know that her family are well enough/able to support her?

I have a couple of family members. One is too elderly to support me and the other an alcoholic.

Please remember, OP is complaining about a lack of SEX after this poor bloke has just lost a child he helped raise for 10 years. She has no empathy whatsoever by the sounds of it!

Shessobrave · 15/10/2019 11:27

@LunasOrchid The OP hasn't moaned about not having sex

Yes she has! It's you who needs to learn to read!!

RhinoskinhaveI · 15/10/2019 11:28

I agree that these are possibly narcissistic and manipulative behaviours from him, I think he is trying to 'triangulate' you with his ex, trying to make you jealous and compete with her for his attention.
I am absolutely not trying to minimise the pain and devastation caused by this poor woman's loss of her daughter, I think your ex is trying to take advantage of this, he is seeing it as an opportunity to gain advantage for himself.

prawnsword · 15/10/2019 11:29

No it’s because he has spent the last 3 weeks at his ex’s bedside with no end in sight. This would be considered very uncool behaviour on the Dating thread !