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My mum steals off me

63 replies

Cherrypicker01 · 07/10/2019 17:56

Bit of a weird one really.

I had a really strained relationship with my mother as a child, she had a few mental health issues which lead me leaving home when I was 13. We didn’t see each other for some time after she tried to commit suicide when I felt and there was a family dispute over the reason for it being me leaving. The only reason I left is because I was that miserable at home I wanted to end it myself, the leaving was a last survival tactic to get out. Fast forward a few years I tried again with her, she was worse by this point mentally and I offered to move in with her and help her – she took offense to this, called me a cheeky bitch and said she never wanted to see me again.

I had my first DD when I was 21, and after I got pregnant our relationship started growing again. My DD is 7 now and she has a great relationship with her nan. My mum offers to help out with the school run a lot, I heavily reply on her for childcare and pickups as I’m in full time employment. We’ve helped each other out money wise when we have both been in need, and we have both lived at each other’s for a few months when we have been transitioning between homes etc.

The problem is she’s still not a very nice woman at all and will lie at every chance she gets (shes good at it as well.) She frequently steals form my home if she childminds. It’s not major things, but she will be sure to swipe a bag of half my toilet rolls, coffee ,anything basic etc. She does not work due to her health so she is often struggling with money but when I confront her about it and ask if she has seen things which are missing she will flat out deny it. For example, I bought two of the comfort intense fab cons a few month back, and when I was running low on the first I went to look for the second to find it missing. I asked if she had seen it – she said no. A few days later I go to her flat to find her busy cleaning – my bottle of comfort on the top of her dresser in the living room. I know for a fact she won’t spend on anything like that it is rare she buys fab con at all, and I know its only fabric conditioner but it’s not cheap and it’s still a cost on my shop!!

She’s stolen money off my ex-partner as well whilst cleaning – going through his drawers and ripping a bag clean open – no attempt to sneak it - with change in it (only coppers and a few silvers). She’d swiped half the bag. My partner at the time noticed and confronted me about it, you can imagine my embarrassment that my own mother would steal off my partner! She was less than remorseful when I asked her about it too with responses like ‘its only coppers he’d not going to miss it’ and ‘well he’s got a full time decent job, I need it more than he does’ like she genuinely believes she’s done no wrong and she’s entitled to it!

She’s such a mass of destruction as well, whenever she has been at my home I’ve found glass on the kitchen floor from a glass she’s smashed but has hidden in the bin and would never admit to and not cleaned up properly (it was my DD that told me about it the next day!) and a few week ago I found my front room window key bent to snapping point in the lock, which snapped as soon as I tried to get it out like she’d been ragging it about). Its constant damage, things going missing and me thinking I’m going crazy.

She uses me as well, but because she’s so helpful with my DD I feel like I can’t blame her for it or say anything. She constantly pestering me for money ill get a text every week saying she cant afford electric and she’ll text me three times asking in an hour or for days straight and if I dint reply I always get ‘its okay ill just sit in the dark until Friday…’ trying to make me feel bad. She always gives the money back in the timescale that she says but when I ask her again what the money is for she will say that my brother is struggling with money too (he earns more than me, never contributes to the bills and they live together!) and she needs food in the house for his dinners, which is fair enough but the day after he’ll have gone and bought himself a sports car or a new bike or something ridiculous!!

Im being taken for an absolute mug and its embarrassing! Im so fed up of it all ive been lying to her saying Ive lost my bank card because I don’t want to fund his ridiculous lifestyle!. A new one is that shes been asking to borrow my vaccum cleaner as she doesn’t have one but I wont get it back for weeks and when I do get it back I will literally have it for a day or two before she asks again and its been like that over the summer. So not only cant I vac my carpets half the time, I have bought myself a vac and without even realising she owns it now too!

My DD absolutely adores this woman and as much as Ive wanted to cut ties with her, I just cant do that to DD. I’d be screwed without that school run help as well. Ive never written this to anyone either it feel weird to get it all out but I am just so fed up with the lies and the using and how pester and ‘not normal’ she is its upsetting.

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Cherrypicker01 · 07/10/2019 18:01

She's a leech and I am just drained. To say she helps out so much, am I being unreasonable? I don't think its the demand although it is exhausting, its the full on lack of respect she has for me.

She never asks how my day is going, or knows what I do as a job. She doesn't even know what I graduated in, it just doesn't interest her. Ive stopped talking about my day now because I either get the 'glazed eyes im not listening' look or she will talk over me and start a new conversation or story about her life.

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PurpleWithRed · 07/10/2019 18:07

What a toxic relationship. Can't you find another childcare solution? Surely there must be a solution that would be less damaging to you, and ultimately to your DD who will grow up thinking this kind of shit setup is normal/

marvellousnightforamooncup · 07/10/2019 18:10

You have to weigh up how much this relationship gives you and your dd.

Is the disappointment worth it?
Does it drain your mental health?
Would the cost of childcare be more than a few coppers and bog rolls?
Is her relationship with dd healthy?

Sounds like she's never been a good mum to you so don't feel bad if you decide nc is the best option.

Cherrypicker01 · 07/10/2019 18:11

I don’t think my DD knows what’s she’s like. She really is good with her would do anything for her. Just clearly not for me. She doesn’t treat me like a daughter at all.

It’s not like I deserve it either I’m patient with my mum and will help out as much as I can. I keep thinking that if I cut ties I’d regret it as parents aren’t around forever are they? It really messed me up leaving home as a child I have only the past few years managed to resolve the damage it did

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Raphael34 · 07/10/2019 18:11

Stop letting this woman in your house op. That’s the only reasonable solution here

Gamble66 · 07/10/2019 18:13

Do you pay her anything for all the childcare ? It doesn't excuse her stealing but she could deal like she is owed

DonKeyshot · 08/10/2019 03:26

All childminding must take place in her home and you should only let your mother into your home when you/your dp are present so that you can see if she's leaving with any of your possessions.

Alternatively, as she claims to be short of money, have you considered paying for her help? If you were to give her a regular sum each week you could deduct the cost of any items she's stolen from you.

DonKeyshot · 08/10/2019 03:29

Re the vacuum cleaner or any other household items she asks to borrow, tell her it's broken, needs a service, or you're using it/have need for it and she must look to buying her own.

Raspberrytruffle · 08/10/2019 04:42

Surely you know the solution OP? The only way to stop this is find alternative child care, practice saying no that doesn't work for me and have a poker face, daughter I need money you no that doesn't work for me mum oh it's ok then your mum will sit in the dark and starve enjoy your money, you ok bye xxx repeat no and ignore the guilt tactics. Your best option for your dd is to keep this weird toxic women out of her life because when your dd is older she will repeat the behaviour on her

Coffeeandchocolate9 · 08/10/2019 04:58

You really really really need to make other childcare arrangements. Yes I know it's not easy. You still need to.

Your daughter will grow up thinking this is how adult relationships work Sad

"No mum, it's my vacuum cleaner and I need it daily. You need your own."

"No mum I'm not lending you money for DBro's food, he earns more than me and has less expenses."

"If he can afford a sports car, he can afford to eat/keep the lights on at home/contribute to bills."

"No. I need my money for my own children."

"No."

"Sorry, no."

"No. That's not appropriate."

"No. Last time you didn't give it back."

"No. Last time you stole from me."

No.

category12 · 08/10/2019 06:13

Her relationship with your dd may be good now while she's small, (little children are cute and malleable) but it's very likely to follow the same path as yours with her as she gets older. And seeing your toxic relationship with your mum is going to have an effect.

You really need to think about whether the childcare is actually worth the stress and drama in your own home. I would say not.

Mummaofmytribe · 08/10/2019 06:27

Your DD is going to notice more about her GM and your dysfunctional relationship with her as she gets older. GM will be saying things like "promise don't tell your Mum". Not good.
I think you really have to look at alternative childcare.
DD could see you mother at HER house on the weekend, or at the park or whatever. You don't necessarily have to stop her being a part of your DD's life. But I think the fact that you're relying on her is allowing her to get away with all this and making you miserable.
If you take your reliance on her out of the equation you can then just let DD see her when and where it suits.
Does the school have breakfast club? After school group?

Shoxfordian · 08/10/2019 06:44

You seriously need to make other plans for childcare. Do not have her in your house anymore, she's been stealing from you! I think you should look into some counselling as well to help you draw boundaries

Apolloanddaphne · 08/10/2019 06:48

How old is your DD and how often does your DM look after her? Can your DD go to her home instead of always being in yours?

Beautiful3 · 08/10/2019 07:01

I'm going to go against the grain here you rely on her heavily for childcare and she needs the money, so why not pay her? She needs basic things like toilet rolls so she obviously needs money. Childcare is normally expensive. I would pay her something like £50 per week. But tell her if she steals anything then you'll deduct it from that.

Catsbollox · 08/10/2019 07:20

Schools usually run a breakfast club, ours is free so they don't all cost the earth, so drop early and run. Is there any way you can work compressed hours so you'll only need childcare for x days? A childminder or after school are worth looking into, after school club until 6pm near us is £20 a session, if dd is in school it cuts childcare down massively.

I agree with other posters, you need to find a solution for childcare and let your dd see her dg on a weekend or when you can supervise interactions.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 08/10/2019 07:57

It is not your fault your mother is like this, you did not make her this way. Her own family did that to her. She is still not the nice and kind mother you perhaps on some level want her to be, you are probably also still trying to seek her approval. Do read and post on the August 2019 "but we took you to Stately Homes" thread.

She was clearly not a good parent to you when you were growing up and now your DD is noticing what she is like. Your DD has noticed that items have gone missing from her home, she has certainly seen your reaction afterwards. A good rule of thumb here is that if a parent/relative is too toxic/difficult/batshit for you to deal with, its the same deal for your kids too.

You are bogged down and mired in FOG (fear, obligation and guilt) and your boundaries re your mother also seem pretty much non existent. She's actively stealing off you and also stole from your ex; what is she going to make off with next?. Would you have tolerated a friend doing this, no in all likelihood you would not and you would also have called the police. Your mother is really no different. Theft is theft no matter who is doing it. She does think you are a right mug and she does not respect you at all, nor for that matter does she respect her granddaughter.

You need alternative childcare with immediate effect; she is clearly not to be trusted nor is she emotionally healthy to be at all around. Your DD cannot afford to grow up thinking this dynamic is at all normal because it is not.

Toxic crap like described can and does go down the generations; do not let your DD become the next generation to be affected by such toxic behaviours from family members. You can break this cycle and I would also suggest you speak to a therapist about your mother.

Dillydallyingthrough · 08/10/2019 08:19

OP I think you know you need to stop the childcare. I would have suggested paying her but the fact that she lies means it's not someone you want round your DD. Your DD might be close to her but children take in much more than you think and she will notice the lies and stealing, and think its acceptable. You can see her at the park or her house.

Regarding the vacuum get it back and when she asks for it again say 'no, you keep taking it for too long I need it.' In terms of lending money just say 'no ask DB he lives there and I need the money for DD'

You said you have worked through your issues with your DM but it sounds like you are struggling having appropriate boundaries with her.

AhNowTed · 08/10/2019 08:56

How much childcare is she providing.

If it's free, she's saving you a fortune and I'd let a few loo rolls and fabric conditioner go if it was me.

Other than that can she mind your DD in her own home?

Cherrypicker01 · 08/10/2019 11:39

Thank for your replies everyone I didn’t realise I had so many!

I think it’s clear I need to start putting boundaries up and yes like you have suggested starting to say no but it’s so hard.

I have tried to protest against her before with other situations and she has immediately become difficult or nasty to me.

I think that it’s safe to say I’m also frightened of losing her again - it really did have an impact on me for the years to follow and I feel like I’m in a better recovery head now than I’ve ever been.

It’s not the issue really over the ‘few bits’ that she’s stealing especially as she does so much for me. It’s the stealing act in itself. It’s the covering up and the lies to my face and it’s the justifications she makes.

There’s a lot more that has gone on other than what’s detailed in this post too. She insists to have DD for free as she knows it helps me with work and money and that she does enjoy the time with my DD. The grandparents on both sides help out with school runs it isn’t just her.

Also, I pay her for cleaning when she is at mine too - she will look after DD and get some cleaning done and I pay her fairly for that. I don’t mind helping with a few shopping bits and I always provide food for my DD. But it’s difficult now as my partner is the one who pays for coffee and she’s asking for ‘scraps’ of coffee every week or so and it’s not just me that it’s affecting now. I never minded giving her bits to help her but now he’s having to spend more on the shopping and it isn’t fair. She has her between 20 mins and an three hours after school, it depends weekly it chops and changes.

Having her at my house including the cleaning she does for me is stopping now as my partner is concerned about the damage she’s doing.

I managed to tell her the vac was broke finally (it is, I’ve suspected she’s broke one of the clips off it now and not told me. Angry )

I feel like I’m in a catch 22 with her too with certain things. She has a phone but she won’t buy phone credit with it so in having to put money on it for text and call allowance in case she needs to get in touch regarding DD. But she’s constantly messaging me throughout the day really inappropriate things and wasting her allowance so I’m having to spend more. Even after I’ve told her not to. And when I message her and say ‘will you please not message unless it’s an emergency’ or ‘I’m in a meeting will you please not message as I can’t have my phone constantly going off’ she will send me a cocky message like ‘okay miss start pants’ and so on...

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Cherrypicker01 · 08/10/2019 11:42

*smarty

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Cherrypicker01 · 08/10/2019 11:46

There’s certain things I think she’s taken that I haven’t really got evidence over either. Like the toilet roll thing - i didn’t realise she was taking them for ages until I all of a sudden had 5 missing when she came to stay. Apart from the fab con sitch I haven’t really ‘caught her red handed’, so confronting her about she will just deny.

She does a lot of me guys yes but it comes with a catch. If I’m working late and trying to get back to give her a lift home (I also give her lifts everywhere) she will turn all the lights off in the house and sit there with her coat on like she’s making a point that I’m late. I’ll say 6.30 and I’ll be home at 6.35 and I’ll get a rude message saying ‘home, home, I want to go home’ whilst I’m rushing back and stressed from a day at work and tired from the hour and half worth of motorway traffic I’ve just sat in. Yet she will still insist to have DD at mine!!!

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Ginkypig · 08/10/2019 12:27

Your dd is 7 so is it possible to get her into breakfast club and after school club?

The dynamics will never change with your mum partly because they have been established so long ago and she doesn't think she is doing anything wrong but partly because you are beholden to her so you have no way to stand up for yourself. There is nothing you can do about the first part in the beginning except not be part of the dynamic and to be strong about how you will allow yourself to be treated but you can change the 2nd part by getting yourself in a position where you are independent and don't need or rely on her for anything.

The only way to change things is to get yourself into a position where you don't need her for anything so your relationship is solely based on you wanting to spend time with her and not needing her for anything. With the power/responsibility balance equaled you will be able to not allow yourself to be treated badly.

If she treats you badly there is nothing she can threaten you with except cutting you off which is horrible but not a good reason to allow her to abuse or be horrible to you.

AhNowTed · 08/10/2019 13:05

Sorry but I think you're being petty and quite ungrateful.

You know she is struggling for money yet begrudge coffee? Come on.

She is saving you a fortune and frankly if you choose to accept free childcare that usually comes with some compromises.

And as for sitting with her coat on - my childminder would have my children in their coats if I was late. She was merely setting boundaries so I didn't take the piss.

category12 · 08/10/2019 13:17

It sounds like in theory it ought to work well for you. But in practice it doesn't. And actually there's too much baggage from the past. You have to remove your reliance on her.

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