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AIBU to not tell dh im going away for a night?

331 replies

Cherriesandroses · 29/09/2019 21:27

My dc are 9 and 3 and I haven’t had a night away from them since they’ve been born. I’ve had evenings out with friends but not a night away.
Two of my best friends have been talking about having a night away in a city, maybe seeing a show and I want to go but I know dh wouldn’t ever agree to it.
He’s away on business for a fortnight in November and I’m tempted to leave the children with my parents for a night (they’d have them happily) and go and not tell him.

Wibu? I guess if he found out afterwards he’d be livid.

OP posts:
Lavalump · 30/09/2019 08:59

From what you've said, maybe one night away isn't enough.

PurpleDaisies · 30/09/2019 09:02

If he’s away for a fortnight, that seems like prime time for planning to get away from him permanently.

Kab30 · 30/09/2019 09:02

Just do it ....spur of the moment thing eh😘x

Lavalump · 30/09/2019 09:07

At least talk to Woman's Aid - you don't have to do anything you don't want to.

If you go on this night out I doubt you'll enjoy it anyway.

AmIThough · 30/09/2019 09:08

Why are you asking if you're allowed? Tell him you're going.

If he has an issue, that's his problem.

I don't think keeping it a secret is the answer because then it'll look like you have something to hide when he inevitably finds out.

WonderWomansSpin · 30/09/2019 09:17

Have you told your mum what he is like? I'd get your parents to watch the DCs. Go on your night out. Have fun!
All the big problems will still be there when you get back but treat the night out as the first step towards you reclaiming your life.

SunshineCake · 30/09/2019 09:27

The question, which I am sure has been asked already, is not why you are not allowed to go away for a night, or even why you are scared of your husband, but why are you with this controlling bully?

MsChatterbox · 30/09/2019 09:28

Life is too short op. You don't want to get to 80 and think about everything you have missed because someone else controlled what you did. Concentrate on how much you will enjoy this trip. How much your children will enjoy staying with their grandparents. How much your parents will enjoy having them. I would tell my husband I'm going because eventually the children will mention it. But I would say I'm doing this on this date. If he tells you no tell him he can't tell you no. The children will be safe and he will be away so he can't miss you. If you're afraid of how he will respond to this and feel you will be in danger then that is a different story and something else to consider.

jamdhanihash · 30/09/2019 09:30

Thanks OP. Consider what you and H are teaching your DC. It's ok for mummy to have to do literally everything daddy says, to be scared (?) of daddy, to not have a life because daddy says no. For their sake (and yours) evaluate your relationship.

BenjiB · 30/09/2019 09:30

He sounds like a controlling arsehole. You’re an adult, he doesn’t get to tell you what you can and can’t do.

LannieDuck · 30/09/2019 09:40

Does he ask your permission to stay out overnight? Can you imagine what his reaction would be if you said 'no'?

Infact, you should ask him, next time you want to stay at a friend's overnight for convenience and he says 'no'. Ask "how would you feel if I said no to you staying out at your stag do last week?"

OooErMissus · 30/09/2019 09:46

I know we're supposed to be all understanding of women in this situation, but I just find it so ridiculous.

Who is this man? God?

No, he's just some pathetic, insecure little arsehole that's so scared of his wife going out in public that he treats her like a prisoner. And she lets him!

Just no. No, no, no.

How can you possibly respect this little weed, how can you like him, feel loving towards him, want to be intimate with him...?

Sosadinside · 30/09/2019 09:49

Just “move out with your kids” ... I really wonder where exactly these people think a woman can just pack up and go off to, potentially with little money and two children in tow who have schools and friends and lives, and who also may not necessarily be aware of any major issues between their parents, so would be completely bewildered at the sudden disruption of everything they know ...

OP, I lived like this for many, many years. The control increases gradually so becomes normalised, as does the treading on eggshells, bending yourself out of shape and curtailing your own life and interests in order not to cause any ‘issues’. Someone upthread said you sounded like a shell of a person, which is 100% what happens to you when you’re dealing with the constant stress, anxiety and exhaustion of managing another person’s ‘rules’ and moods. It may be the case for you, as it was for me, that your kids are secure and happy, and outside perceptions are of a loving, equal relationship (most people would describe me, even now, as being extremely confident and forthright and unlikely to put up with shit from anyone, so it would be hard for anyone to truly understand the reality of my marriage).

OP, you already know that everything about this situation is wrong and that you need to get a hold of it. Don’t do what I did and sleepwalk through the best years of your life, passing up fun and opportunities in order to appease a man who’s likely oblivious to the true impact of his behaviour on you - because he won’t feel he’s being in any way unreasonable until you MAKE him see. He certainly won’t recognise any aspect of what he’s doing as abuse, and will push back very hard at any attempt to characterise it as such.

As long as you’re sure he won’t be physically violent you CAN confront it head on. He won’t be happy at being challenged. He will try to make you feel that you’re the one who’s unreasonable and causing a problem. I know it’s nauseating to even think of having that conversation, but the dread of tackling it will almost certainly be worse than the reality, especially if you know deep down that he loves you. You’ve mentioned his anxiety a lot, and this was also the key driver of my DH’s behaviour.

Google, do some reading, watch some of the psychology pieces on YouTube - arm yourself with knowledge about why and how these dynamics develop in relationships, in order to understand your own behaviour as well as his. It will help you think clearly. Break the cycle. Make him understand that you WILL leave if things don’t change. And in the meantime make some concrete provisions to enable you to leave if you have to, because if things don’t change, you must.

I didn’t do any of these things (besides threatening to leave on one occasion which pulled him up short, but only briefly). Instead, on the cusp of turning 50 I had a brief affair, which has changed everything - ironically for the better as well as the worse. My marriage has just about survived and we are both working hard to keep it together. His behaviour has changed at last, and he’s finally properly understood the catastrophic damage he’s done. And I know that what I’ve done has broken him in some irretrievable way. The whole situation is so sad and I wouldn’t wish it on anyone - the overwhelming emotion I feel every day is shame. Not because I cheated (though I’m consumed with guilt for that), but because I allowed myself to be so controlled and bullied and restricted for literally decades of my life. Please don’t make the same mistakes, OP. Take control of your life. You can do it.

KatherineJaneway · 30/09/2019 09:55

Personally I'd go then tell him about it afterwards. Best to ask for 'forgiveness' than permission.

jamesforsythe · 30/09/2019 09:58

My wife goes for weekend breaks with her girlfriends twice yearly all over Europe, and so do I with my mates. Have done since our kids were teenagers.

I think your husband is abnormal.

MzHz · 30/09/2019 09:59

Somewhere in all this OP, you know this isn’t right.

At. All.

I lived like you, for 10 long years. It got worse and worse and worse.

In the end I became devious (Hmm) I knew he had to know where I was and if I was leaving the building. So if make my arrangements with my friends and text him as I crossed the threshold. Then I’d ignore most of any ensuing messages.

As I read your posts my heart sank deeper and deeper.

There is no life in this for you. You’re in a deeply unhealthy and unhappy relationship

Your children need to grow up in a better environment than this. YOU need to be in a healthier relationship than this.

Your kids will model the relationship they see. Would you honestly wish this misery on them? I know I wouldn’t

So yeah, GO ON THE NIGHT OUT/AWAY.

Talk to your girlfriends about this situation, tell you parents what’s going on. Ask for and accept any help given to you and work towards getting yourself away from him

He won’t ever change. I guarantee it.

He sees this as his unalienable right to rule you. The quality of your life doesn’t matter to him.

You’ve committed no crime. Why are you a prisoner of his ego?

If you want to watch your own kids grow up and either suffer this same fate as you - or worse - perpetrate it on another innocent party, do nothing. But I know that this would literally tear you to pieces (as it would do me) so you have to find the way to get them out of this and to keep them as safe as you can.

Fookadook · 30/09/2019 09:59

Massive issues here. This is not ok.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 30/09/2019 09:59

I’m not allowed to go away for the night

What the actual fuck?

sparklefarts · 30/09/2019 10:04

Jesus fucking Christ.
Go in the night away. And then go back to your kids at your parents house and DO NOT go home. Ever.

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HairdressertoBoris · 30/09/2019 10:12

My friend met a lovely man. The first time we went out he insisted on picking us up after, not a problem, saves us taxi money. We then went away for the night and he was on the phone to her constantly and had a go at her as she hadn't text him to say what time she got in. She never came away with us again, isn't allowed to come out unless it's well in advance organised and we know what pubs/ restaurants we are going to be in. She no longer has her phone when he's there. He looks at her messages and deletes any that come through and doesn't tell her about him. If we say anything about him, she's not allowed her phone for weeks.
It's abuse and it will only get worse. Don't be that woman. Stand up to him.

CapturedFairy · 30/09/2019 10:12

I have just seen your other thread that was linked above and I remember it.

You are on here again asking permission for something that for most of us in loving and caring relationships don't even think about.

You are bored and lonely, he doesn't really consider you and your feelings. You need to use those 2 weeks and up until then to get your ducks in a row and get out of this marriage.

I will remind you what you said

-He’s never cooked a meal or put any washing on or anything in the house
-I don’t see him a single part of our family anymore if I’m honest
-He plays golf every single Saturday all day and spends Sunday at his mother’s
-We have nothing in common

And the most telling line of all

I just want more than this. I don’t think he will ever provide it

Please do not stay in this sham of a relationship. I too am a SAHM but I have access to all finances, can spend how I please without answering to Dh who pays for it all. I have spent nights out, weekends away and he has waved me off happily looking forward to spending time with our sons. It is our wedding anniversary tomorrow, he is taking the day off work to spend it with me like he does every year, like he does for the children's birthdays too.

carolina21 · 30/09/2019 10:17

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MrsDrSpencerReid · 30/09/2019 10:24

You say in your other thread your family don’t like him.
I’m sure they’d jump at the chance to help you get out of there OP Flowers

mankyfourthtoe · 30/09/2019 10:30

Things that are wrong-
"I asked..."

We discuss plans to make sure things are convenient but I've never asked permission.
It's controlling behaviour.

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