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Is my DO having an affair?

277 replies

brightside20 · 21/09/2019 21:40

Hello all.

Going through DP phone tonight.

Came across a conversation between them and a long time mutual friend.

They have been talking everyday. 100s of messages.
Some of them are about me. And how awful I am.
Messages about their weekly coffee meet ups.
Multiple kisses on every message.
He's sending a good morning message everyday.
Silly names for each other again used everyday.
Inside jokes.
Some flirty banter etc.

They have similar interests etc. So am I reading too much into this?

TIA. Don't know what to think and panicking.

OP posts:
Jellybeansincognito · 22/09/2019 00:12

‘But he is willing to stay until the kids leave home on the basis that they can contact each other’

I bet he is...

He’s got you wrapped round his finger and it’s awful.

GabsAlot · 22/09/2019 00:12

Hes a fucking psycho-ask him why he said he only wants to stay for the kids and after uni hes leaving-is that banter coz i missed the memo on that

Just leaving dh in a few years only joking!

brightside20 · 22/09/2019 00:14

He said it was a throw away comment and meant nothing. They were joking about when the kids grow up what they would do then

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DBML · 22/09/2019 00:16

Op, I’m not a ‘LTB’ kind of ‘Mumsnet-er...but seriously, this man sounds absolutely horrendous.

He knows he’s wrong, but is trying to bully you into submission. He wants to maintain his family man image; whilst getting his ego stroked by a younger woman. He has absolutely no respect for you and thinks you ought to be quiet and let him do his thing.
He’s a malicious, deceitful bully.

I feel sorry for you, not because he’s done this to you, but that you have had to spend over 12 years of your life with this asshole.

As for the ow, she’s clearly to stupid to see the multitude of red flags, so let her take him off your hands and she can put up with his chauvinistic attitude.

Be strong op! Surprise him. Tell him that you don’t want to hear his bullshit, so he can tel it to his solicitor.

brightside20 · 22/09/2019 00:16

I'm going to ignore him until my sister arrives I think.

He won't choose between us because we are both important. So much so he trusts her more than me and she would be the first choice if the kids weren't in the picture.

He loves me but doesn't like me. But I need to understand.

Bollocks to it

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MapMyMum · 22/09/2019 00:16

I have to say I dont think Id be talking to him anymore. Id be looking at how to get myself set up to move forwards and away from this pillock. Stop trying to get him to admit it or change his mind, even if it works, would you trust him again? You're worth so much better than this, dont give him the satisfaction of thinking youre desperate to keep him or that you need him, dont feed that ego

Mythreefavouritethings · 22/09/2019 00:17

Affair or no, what a horrible sounding, pathetic excuse for a partner. Bitching about you with some other woman? No. You’re worth more than this, all of us are. I don’t know where you are with this relationship in terms of your self-esteem and circumstances but you are now in a place where you either live like this or think hard about your options. This just isn’t right. But I think you know that. I hope you have support and wish you strength. There are some lovely men out there, sadly you have a prize louse.

brightside20 · 22/09/2019 00:18

I know I deserve better. It's just admitting to myself that this is my life and I let him do this to me

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WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 22/09/2019 00:18

He refuses to believe in emotional affairs.

How very convenient for him. He might just as well go out and commit an armed bank robbery whilst 'refusing to believe in prison' and soon find out exactly how much use that delusion attitude is.

ThatCurlyGirl · 22/09/2019 00:18

@brightside20

Please remember that he doesn't get to dictate what is acceptable in a relationship.

YOU get to dictate what you find acceptable in the relationship.

HE can do the same.

Neither has to be right or wrong (he is obviously in the fucking wrong but for arguments sake) if your boundaries aren't compatible it won't work.

You have to remember you are allowed to set out what your boundaries are and him not accepting them means it's over.

Thinking of you, I'm so sorry Thanks

ThatCurlyGirl · 22/09/2019 00:20

GOOD your anger is coming, rightly so.

Don't be spoken to like this, disengage at least for the night and use that anger to keep telling yourself that it's over and get determined to take the steps to leave. We are all rooting for you Thanks

DBML · 22/09/2019 00:22

He loves you but he doesn’t like you! Angry

He’s treating you like a naughty teenager, who needs to be put in their place. Patronising, bullying twat.

brightside20 · 22/09/2019 00:24

That is what I said.

I asked him who the real child was. And what she had over him.
I could of began to understand if we had spoken but it's out of the blue.
Some of the conversations are disgusting.

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WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 22/09/2019 00:27

It's just admitting to myself that this is my life and I let him do this to me

You acted honourably and respectfully throughout (not saying you were 100% perfect in every tiny little insignificant thing, as who among us is?).

HE made the conscious decision to think only of himself, act on his base impulses, to throw away his marriage and to behave appallingly.

Yes, you (and your children) are currently suffering because of his disgraceful choices, but YOU no more 'let him do it' than anybody 'lets' a burglar commit their despicable crime by virtue of 'daring' to have a home and live in it.

DBML · 22/09/2019 00:28

Be prepared for him to make out he’s really losing his temper with you...this will be his response to him losing control of the situation and you. He will attempt to reign you in so he can go back to doing whatever he pleases.
Please don’t let him crush you like this. Stand your ground and tell him that any further demands he has of you can be communicated via his solicitor.
I sincerely hope this hasn’t been typical of your life with him...Flowers

Longlongsummer · 22/09/2019 00:30

It’s not up to him to tell you what a betrayal is. It’s how you feel. You don’t owe him reasons. He owes you.

My ex cheated, sexually and emotionally with several women. He was most ashamed of the sexual encounters, when I found out.

He totally gaslighted me and to this day says that the women he was ‘just friends’ with, were perfectly okay. He even said I was controlling and stopped him having friends, because I’d complained that he seemed to prefer his two female friendships to me, and I’m sure he moaned about our relationship with them, as they also complained about theirs. Much of it while I was pregnant and at my most vulnerable.

To this day it is these female friendships that cut me the most. That betrayal was the hardest. And still is. These women I still see around and the way that they look at me... I can’t describe it’s this awful humiliation of them knowing stuff, intimate things, of how they were chosen to have laughs and coffee, or drinks with my DH, texted multiple times a day, would text him at night if they wanted. It was so intrusive and made me feel so dowdy and second best. I’m not a jealous person, and had never been made to feel so rubbish before.

Ex will never understand about those friendships, that they were basically a way of distancing and demeaning our relationship, a bit of a bugger you I can do what I want with anyone I want. And a way of getting validation that any problems we had, it was all me, as these women, who looked up to my Ex (quite charismatic and in one case their boss) - would hang on every word and put the boot in.

Earlier on, when I was more naive, I knew about these ‘friendships’ and thought, that’s fine men can have women friends! So invited them over, or tried to include in nights out. DH didn’t like that, and nor did they, very frosty. It’s a clear sign. So are multiple texts. And moaning about the relationship, also a clear sign that this is not on. Get rid of him!

Weenurse · 22/09/2019 00:30

He certainly thinks a lot of himself.
He is treating you like a naughty child.

You just need to accept his friendship, bull crap.
Change the locks while he is gone.
Only talk about the children and his access visits

brightside20 · 22/09/2019 00:31

No until last month all was fine as far as I was aware. Not perfect but who is.

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CadburysCremeSmeggs · 22/09/2019 00:33

Omfg tell him to fuck right off to her because you ain't no ones doormat. Who the fuck does he think he is?

DBML · 22/09/2019 00:35

You must be not only hurt by his behaviour op, but stunned as well. Sad

He attitude towards you is unforgivable. You deserve much better than this.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 22/09/2019 00:39

I wouldn't even focus on her too much - it could have been anybody and there's every chance he'll allow his head to be turned again and drop her in favour of the new woman before long. And if he keeps on doing that for long then, maybe unless he's extremely wealthy and/or an amazing liar, he'll reach the point where he's a pathetic, lonely, elderly man who threw it all away for what will by then seem of very little worth indeed.

He's the one you're (currently) married to and who chose to betray you the most. Concentrate on seeing that he lie in the bed that he actively and consciously chose to make (whether that's already been literal or is still in his carefully-made plans for the near future).

You respected your marriage, he has unilaterally (of the two of you in the marriage) decided to end it; the unpleasant consequences of that decision must fall squarely on him wherever possible.

MMadness · 22/09/2019 00:46

Tell him to fuck along. Her too.

Block his number, give him an email address and advise him it's the only way he can contact you.

Then see a solicitor.

leomama81 · 22/09/2019 00:49

Ugh, he is absolutely disgusting OP, not only for what he's doing with her but the way he's gaslighting and bullying you now.

Please do not stand for it. Get him out of your life now, you are 43 you still have a whole life ahead of you. You will not be left with nothing, you are his wife and mother of his children, you have rights.

Stay strong Thanks

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 22/09/2019 00:52

Just remember that you already realise what you've lost - and most of that you've come to understand obviously wasn't anything like as good as you were led to believe it was anyway. If nothing else, your precious children were the one good thing that came from the marriage, and they are still and always be your children. Nobody can take them away from you and YOU have done nothing wrong by them to betray or destroy their love for you.

He, on the other hand, thought he could have it all and is now seeing his life crumble from under him. He will be full of fear and uncertainty as to just how far everything can fall and how much he will lose. As he sees that, through his own choices, he has now lost control over much of his life, his children and you, a lot of his fear will manifest itself as anger directed wholly undeservedly at you (and maybe even your blameless children if he feels desperate enough).

Just hold your head high and put your children and yourself first.

Longlongsummer · 22/09/2019 01:13

The comment about not liking you is very revealing.

My ex also told me that he didn’t like me. That I needed help. Your DH said those things too.

There is something deeply wrong with your DH to say those things to you. That you can commit, have children and live harmoniously with the woman that you fell in love with, and they have not changed or harmed you, and yet you can start to dislike them? Something very wrong. He obviously needs to feel superior and put you down. He likes to betray your trust and the loyalty that is fundamental in a healthy relationship.

These comments he is making are all very strong red flags about how he feels about you. Your comment that he would try and leave you with nothing also reveals how much you know he doesn’t care about you or your wellbeing. So sorry about that.

You need to remember that he is not your friend now. He will do anything to protect himself and he will hurt you with words. You need to gather up every single support you have and fight your way out of there.

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