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Dating thread 170: Know your worth

999 replies

Ginmel · 16/09/2019 18:05

  1. The first rule about the dating thread is don't talk about it with people you're dating.
  2. Develop a thick skin.
  3. Do not invest emotionally too soon.
  4. It's all BS until it actually happens.
  5. Trust your gut instinct.
  6. People vanishing, lying & being generally weird is not your fault.
  7. Know your worth.
  8. If it's not fun, stop.
  9. Loo update is mandatory.
10. No dating the thread. 11. Do unto others as you would have them do to you. 12. Any relationship you have that could get ruined by having a conversation about your feelings, standards and/or expectations wasn't really stable enough to begin with 13. The things you choose to ignore/tolerate now are the reasons you will break up in the future

Link to Info on Dating Websites & Apps www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/3514717-List-of-Dating-Site-Info-Dating-Thread

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Optional: Please give your irons (potential dates you are talking to) nicknames like Mr Scottish. Initials are allowed (Mr S) when you are an item. 😘

OP posts:
Neverexpected2 · 30/09/2019 11:45

dustmyself I'm glad you've got some real life support. You will find that you're stronger than you ever knew and you will get through this but dont underestimate how long it may take. Do what you need to take care of you. Sending you a massive 🤗

DustMyselfOff · 30/09/2019 11:55

I'm scaring myself

MoreNiceCereal · 30/09/2019 12:02

Lean on people you can trust, Dust. We are here, too, but get real life support.

DustMyselfOff · 30/09/2019 12:14

I am. I'm trying. It's just so tiring. Endless thoughts.
Sorry. Dating thread possibly not the right place for this. Bringing you all down a bit

Bluezoo123 · 30/09/2019 12:23

No need to apologise dust a lot of us have been there. We are here to support you, glad to know you are seeking RL support too.sending hugs.

Marlboroandmalbec34 · 30/09/2019 12:30

oh dust a big hug from me. Glad you have real life support. It will get easier I promise.

sunshine how have you been with Mr Ad 6 weeks! Congrats but crikey. Im still not over Mr Big enough to get back on the apps!

Did delete all our WA convo today and all the pics I have of him. Still not quite got round to blocking but will get there!

Sunshineandflipflops · 30/09/2019 12:44

@Marlboroandmalbec34 I know. Funny thing is, it feels like longer. I'm just so comfortable with him.
You'll get there with Mr Big but you need to be ready to move on (or find someone worth moving on for).
If Mr SAS hadn't ended things, I wouldn't have found Mr Ad and I'm very glad I did 😊

saltysally · 30/09/2019 12:54

This too will pass Dust even if it doesn't feel like it will right now

Mr Green is back in the lead 😊

On the subject of letting go, I still occasionally look up my favourite iron ever on fab. We won't be back in contact for at least 5 months if ever. I know I take too much comfort from knowing he's still around and admit I'd be disappointed if he deleted his profile. I'm gradually stopping looking him up though and no longer have profile bookmarked or on my hotlist. Did find his profile on LinkedIn though

HairyArsedMan · 30/09/2019 12:55

You're not bringing anyone down @DustMyselfOff and I'm glad you're getting support. A lot of us have been through and are going through similar. Exercise (and ADs if the GP agrees) will help lots with the maelstrom of thoughts right now. Sleep will help reset a lot of the huge stress reaction and shock you're going through, though I know it's so hard to come by. You will probably feel like you're failing but believe me a lot of people around you will be immensely sympathetic and see you a lot stronger than you think you are. I think at least half of my drives to work the past month have had me arriving with red eyes and a few tears escaping and looks from colleagues. But I'm ok with it, pretty much resigned to that process playing out. It's not even about MsM&M any more; it's that weird way pockets of grief are all interconnected and flung back at you in these moments. You will have some good days ahead of you too - look forward to them! Like all grief it comes in waves but those waves do subside Flowers

SBD1 · 30/09/2019 13:07

@DustMyselfOff Just caught up with the last two days of thread, nothing I have to say is anything new - it echoes everything everyone else has said. Glad you're getting some support.

So, Mr Cactus arrived at 8pm. For some weird reason I was nervous and couldn't really look him in the eye but I did go for a nice hug to calm me down. We watched some TV, spent a lot of time giggling because one of my dogs is obsessed with him and wanted to climb all over him. He spent most of the time with the other dog and my spaniel just couldn't handle that she wasn't getting the attention. I was tired quite quickly so went to bed early, had a cuddle and fell asleep. Both woke up at 6am, my lodger's alarm started going off at 7am and didn't stop for 45 fucking minutes. So we drove to the local co op, got some sausages and he made me a lovely sausage sandwich for breakfast. Then we took dogs out for a walk in the torrential rain and then he went for a shower so I went back to bed for a nap. Then had lots more cuddles and eventually got up, went into town to an independent food festival and we held hands for the first time. First time we've been out in public and openly affectionate so we're onto the next stage I'd guess! Had a really nice day even though it was raining. Finding it very easy to be physically affection with him where I haven't been able to with other people. Went back home, got back into bed (we're both serial nappers) and after a quick nap, things got a little hot and heavy and he asked "How stringent is Shark Week Ban" and I said, there's no ban on my part and well.....I'm happy to know he's not grossed out by this kinda stuff. Stayed in bed for a couple more hours because I suddenly got sad and was missing DS and felt a bit like a bad parent, as exMIL was texting me saying he missed his mummy and thought I'd forgotten about him.

We had a conversation about how I didn't ever expect anything from Mr Cactus as he isn't open about his feelings and so I just get on with stuff. I said I missed him during the week and he responded with "I miss you too" I asked him why and he replied with "Because we have fun", and my heart might have sunk a little bit. He went home, I drove to DS's grandmas to pick him up.

On my way to pick up DS I got a message from Mr Cactus saying he should have said it earlier but he had a really nice day, he thought I was a good parent and that he doesn't just miss me because he has fun with me, that is just a part of it.

Thing is, this is the first time I don't need someone to verbally confirm their feelings to me. I didn't feel secure when we had the "unsure" conversation a few weeks ago and I did explain to him yesterday I held on to that conversation for a couple of weeks and I didn't feel good. But...he's expressive physically and I don't mean sexually. I mean like, he'll walk up behind me and kiss the back of my neck and walk away. Or he walked across the bedroom yesterday and put his arms round me from behind, I said "Why are you over here" and he said "Because you're over here". I have an ugly body yet he doesn't care. Those things show me how he feels, more than if he told me. Also, we have a little phrase "I quite like you" which we've both repeated for the past month, rarely but in the right circumstances and that really tells me all I need to know.

I did make a bit of a faux pas yesterday, he was looking at a gig for us to go to next April. And I said....that's a bit far away isn't it considering you told me your relationships don't last longer than 6 months. And he said "Not all", I said "Just going on what you said" and he pouted at me and I felt awful......

DustMyselfOff · 30/09/2019 13:24

Your thing with Mr Cactus gives me a glimmer of hope. STBX has not been affectionate in a long time, not without it feeling forced. I've felt so lonely, sad and unloved for so long. Can anyone give me just one thing I can do or hold onto to keep me going for today or for this week?

MoreNiceCereal · 30/09/2019 13:36

You are worthy of love and affection, Dust. His actions say everything about him, not you or your worth. This I promise.

StealthNinjaMum · 30/09/2019 13:55

@dustmyselfoff so many of us have been through this so you are definitely in the right place. I’m glad you have been to the gp and have real life support but don’t feel like you are derailing the thread, it shouldn’t need to be said that you are always welcome.

I think a couple of pages back it was mentioned the unjustness of these wankers who just leave a relationship (usually for another one) with no care for the chaos they leave behind. It might feel like these people ‘win’ but honestly they don’t! I begged my ex to stay but he blamed everything on me and wouldn’t take any responsibility for our marriage problems. Well here I am a year later looking fantastic, with new hobbies, a new man, but most importantly I really feel different much more self aware and happy. I have come to terms with my faults and worked on things, I have become a better mother as my children effectively have one parent and - it may have only been 5 months but - I have learned to set boundaries with Mr R and communicate my needs (and obviously listen to his). My ex is just a sad old man who will never be able to have a healthy relationship because he runs away from problems. So @dustyourselfoff your ex’s girlfriend is the main loser here, I wouldn’t want to be with someone so capable of deception and wondering constantly if he’s going to find someone else at the first difficulty.

Lovely update from @sunshineandflipflops. I am also impressed with @kermit and the number of irons and someone else (sorry I forget who).

HairyArsedMan · 30/09/2019 14:46

@DustMyselfOff @StealthNinjaMum has absolutely nailed it there. You have so much to look forward to and you should know we love you on here especially me for the w&w thing Grin. Your life is huge and the more you seek out friends and opportunities, the more you will see that your ex shrinks in importance. That will happen eventually though. Don't be in a mad rush to work on yourself or meet anyone new. I didn't have a clue how to work on myself after LTR split and I was too overloaded to do it even if I had happened to know how.

For now convince yourself of your presence in the larger world. Go out for a walk and invoke curiosity about what you see on it. Ask yourselves questions about things. Start a conversation with yourself about something other than yourself, about other people's lives, and the hours, days will start to roll by and your mind will quieten down.

SBD1 · 30/09/2019 14:47

@DustMyselfOff I spent 8 years with someone I didn't love because I was 25 stone and thought no one would love me ever. I wasn't loved when I was slimmer in my teens or at university. Guys didn't like me. I ended up pregnant from a one night stand, and I settled for a guy who was not ideal for me. He wasn't a bad man but he did lots of things he shouldn't have (stealing a friends nude pictures) and being lazy. He does very much love DS but I should never have stayed with him. Unfortunately I met him at 14 weeks pregnant and I think being 21 and desperate clouded my judgement. I don't regret the relationship because all that depression and misery has strengthened me and I am so happy now. Who knows what would have happened in an alternate life.

I told Mr Cactus last night that he was the only guy I had met of Tinder, and he grinned and said "1st time lucky"

Notcoolmum · 30/09/2019 16:00

I know there were a lot of bad things about your ex @SBD1 but it's quite remarkable he was happy to take on another man's child and raise him as his own and continues to do so after you have split. Does your son know he's not his biological father?

Well done on losing so much weight. What was the catalyst if you don't mind me asking?

SBD1 · 30/09/2019 16:11

@Notcoolmum Well, thats why I don't ENTIRELY hate him. We were both 21 when we met, and he wasn't in the relationship to be DS's father, he was really naive and didn't really think about what the baby would mean. I can still remember the first time he saw DS, he totally fell in love with him and after 6 weeks asked if he could be his Daddy. For a good 6 months everything was really good until he started asking an ex for tittie photos, then a couple of years later it all started up, year after year something different. My mum thinks he's got something a little bit odd with his brain, just seeks a thrill and can only get it through voyeurism (unfortunately the type that could see him in trouble with the police).

DS does not know he isn't his biological father, and he adopted him 2015 maybe? I think we had to wait til we got married I can't remember now.

Catalyst for losing weight - I gained the majority of my weight during my unhappy marriage, I gained so much I experienced Idiopathic Intracranial Hypertension, then got a severe case of psoriasis on my hands and feet meaning I couldn't walk. Eventually I was persuaded by the doctor to apply for bariatric surgery funding and I had the surgery within 10 months of first speaking to the doctor. The reality is that I wish it had never got to that point, I now have to take 15 tablets a day to make sure I have the right nutrients. I can't enjoy food, for instance yesterday whilst out with Mr Cactus I had a bite of a pulled pork burger and essentially one roast potato. Couldn't eat more.

But....I also now can cycle to and from work, I can take the dogs out with DS and run around. I'm just sad it ever got to the point where I had to have surgery. Also....I now have to find 5k to get the lovely skin on my stomach removed and my tits fixed! If it was just a mum tum, I wouldn't be bothered but its like enough skin to build a small human.

Notcoolmum · 30/09/2019 16:13

@DustMyselfOff you are not disposable. His actions are most definitely a reflection on him and his values. And not you and your worth.

DustMyselfOff · 30/09/2019 16:14

Claim to fame - weeping and wanking. Not sure how I feel about that Hmm Wink

My mum is here now.

SBD1 · 30/09/2019 16:18

@dustmyselfoff

You should feel awesome that you had me in tears for a good 5 minutes.

With laughter obviously

lifegoes · 30/09/2019 16:23

@DustMyselfOff you will get there, I know it doesn't feel it. But I promise you will. Nothing better than some TLC from mum. Sending you love and hugs.

And @SBD1 voyeurism????????

Notcoolmum · 30/09/2019 16:24

I'm sorry to ask this @SBD1 but what you said was quite shocking to me. Are you sure your son is safe alone with him?

MoreNiceCereal · 30/09/2019 16:31

I might see Mr Chef tonight, as I am incidentally in his town to get my DC's computer looked at. He invited me for a quick coffee afterwards. Am now scrambling to come up with a first date + getting my computer fixed outfit. Jeans and a t-shirt with converse and a jacket...?

(Sorry to be so frivolous in light of the serious conversations happening on the thread.)

Notcoolmum · 30/09/2019 16:32

@DustMyselfOff I'm so pleased your mum is with you. You need some TLC. You will get through this. And even be able to laugh at things. I promise. I was with a man for 5 years who had a double life. It broke me at the time but I can see how ridiculous he was now.

Notcoolmum · 30/09/2019 16:47

Jeans sound perfect @MoreNiceCereal