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**trigger warning, mentions incest porn** I don't know how to deal with this

139 replies

robotsocks · 02/09/2019 09:19

I apologise for this, but I can't talk to people in real life and I don't know what to do. Ive name changed obviously.

A few weeks ago we were having a clear out, DH went to the tip but left his phone at home. I picked it up to google something.
I can't remember now what I was googling or what popped up in the search bar that made me check his history, but I did.
I probably have checked his history at some point before, but I know he clears his history often because he tells me it's recommended, he's commented when hes seen my billion tabs etc.
The night before, he had spent the night downstairs with our youngest toddler (we have several children) to give me a break.
His history showed that he had watched some normal porn videos (I personally don't like him watching porn but that's not everyone's opinion I know) but he'd been visiting sort of sex stories online. The way they were written was disgusting, the way they talked about the women. Again, not the end of the world.
But he'd been looking at Incest stories. Ive got to stress there were no children involved, it was all adults. But the one that I can't get out of my head involved a man having sex with his sister, then his mother, his aunt was involved too and the thing is the names were literally letters away from our family members. Not using real names but the sister/our daughter were like Eliza/Elisabeth and they are both uncommon names, the mother/DH mother like Annie/Anna, the aunt like Rachel, DH sister is Rach
At first I honestly thought maybe he wrote it, that's how close the names are. I almost threw up.
We have had conversations in the past because his relationship with his mother had crossed some lines, even his family members had commented on it to me. She enjoyed the fact that they were sometimes mistaken for a couple. He assures me that it looks bad but there was no inappropriate contact between them.
I told my dad at the time because I asked DH to go stay at theirs, I couldn't even look at him for days. My dad basically said blokes do things like this, it doesn't mean anything, just fantasy etc.

I let DH back in, but my head is such a mess. There were no child abuse stories but does his interest in this make him a risk to our children?? Even if my Dad is right and men do shit like this, I don't believe that men are just animals with no self control so that excuse really pisses me off. He admitted masturbating to that story, I called him sick and I can't help it I still feel that way. We have been intimate since but even the thought of kissing him makes me sick to my stomach.
What the fuck do I do with this?

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SparklyMagpie · 02/09/2019 10:28

"But the porn during childcare... that would be the end for me without the incest business. WTF was he thinking? Any opportunity for a wank?"

Would be for me aswell

robotsocks · 02/09/2019 10:33

Hmm.
I think I'm finding it more complicated because there are a few things tangled up together...

  1. incest porn. I'm not ok with that. Do I get to tell him what porn to watch? No. But it is a dealbreaker for me.
  1. Does this make him a risk to our kids? I can only either trust that it doesn't, or believe that it does, and leave.
  1. Has the relationship with his mum lead to this?
  1. Did he actually go to the bathroom? DS was asleep on the sofa, DH had a mattress on the floor. If he didn't leave the room and did that near my sleeping baby I would leave him. I will never know for certain though.
  1. Responsibility. Why is it that I have to spend every waking moment thinking about the family and how my actions affect others/the kids, but he can be so utterly fucking selfish.

DH and my Dad are/work with tradesmen and I can tell you the language/behaviour/sexism is unbelievable. So I do believe that it is common but I still believe that everybody has a choice.

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robotsocks · 02/09/2019 10:34

Just to clarify it was the middle of the night, DS was asleep on the sofa.

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Silenceissilver · 02/09/2019 10:36

Can you tell us more about his relationship with his mum? Is it possible he needs some form of counselling?

rumred · 02/09/2019 10:43

I wouldn't recommend couple counselling. He is clearly hiding stuff from you because he knows it's immoral and vile.
I would get rid smartish. I couldn't have a friendship let alone a relationship with someone who has shit boundaries and uses porn while looking after a child. And I'd also question if he is an abuser and if your children are safe.
Sorry you're in such an awful position. Have you got a good friend you can confide in?

robotsocks · 02/09/2019 10:48

Without going into specifics (outing) DH was raised by a single mum in a community that meant that he was discouraged from having too much contact with 'outsiders' and his large family never stand up to his mother. He had very little social awareness and we married late. He has assured me that there was no sexual element to their relationship. I think he would benefit from councelling.

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ScreamingLadySutch · 02/09/2019 10:58

Your Dad is right, it is fantasy and it is about forbidden thrill (which also drives infidelity)

It is taboo fascination of human kind that is as old as time - Oedipus, Electra etc.

This goes over to the dark side of shame. Don't trigger his toxic shame, but maybe go for counselling for you to open up to each other and communicate better?

If you don't believe me, just google 'incest fantasy'

Catbrat · 02/09/2019 11:01

I don't think you are overreacting, my OH watches porn, I know he does and it doesn't bother me, but if I found out he was watching/reading things like that I would be creeped the hell out too, I think I'd explode, it's disgusting.
Thankfully no children involved with the stories, but it's still not normal, I think he needs to have counselling regarding his family relationships, especially with his mum. If he's grown up with a mum who has weird boundaries then maybe his lines are blurred, but it's something that definitely 100% needs addressing before it gets worse.

Omniverse · 02/09/2019 11:05

I would feel the way you do op, a persons fantasies will tell you a lot about that persons psyche. I would not be with a person that fantasies about incest, especially if i felt that they had been the author of such porn.

travellersglitch · 02/09/2019 11:05

I think your reading way to much into the incest porn. When I go onto porn websites and look at the videos some are named about step parents and step siblings. It is all fantasy and men mainly just look to see if the girl is hot and don't bother looking at the title of a video.

HulksPurplePanties · 02/09/2019 11:06

Just to chime in. As others have said, it is a pretty popular form of porn and doesn't necessarily mean he wants to shag his mum. It's like women who fantasize about rape (also very popular) don't actually want to be raped. It's about the taboo.

Obviously, you have every right to feel the way you want to about his porn use, but there is no need to be overly worried about it being incest porn or worried he wants to act it out.

SparklyMagpie · 02/09/2019 11:08

@travellersglitch haha I occasionally watch porn and I'll tell you now, if a vid I'm watching involves anything like step siblings/parents, I find something else. You're mad if you think people don't read any of the titles, theres things people specifically search for

Whatisthisfuckery · 02/09/2019 11:11

OP this is messed up, you already know that.

1, the similar names and relationships in the story are so similar that only someone who likes the association would want to wank to it. That of course is if he didn’t write it. He might not have, but if you can’t find out for sure then those feelings of revulsion will never go away.

2, his relationship with his mother is making other people in the family raise concerns. This might be nothing but again, he won’t be honest if it is inappropriate, so it looks bad so there will always be doubts, especially given number 1.

3, and this is the kicker for me. It would seem, given the above, that the timing of him engaging with this incest porn is not coincidental. He might not think it’s deliberate but given all the other factors it seems likely that it is. Again though, you’ll never know and he probably won’t be honest, and if he is you probably won’t believe him and I can’t say I blame you. Looking at porn while entertaining a toddler is disposable enough, but it was incest porn.

I’ Don’t think if it were me that I’d allow him to be alone with my child ever again if I had doubts like these in my mind. There’s more than enough there to be concerned about, and if I made the wrong call, well, it doesn’t bare thinking about really. This is nasty fetish stuff at the very least, and if he kept it to himself then fine, but he’s involving your child, whether he accepts that or not, because it was when the child was around that he was masturbating over it. Even just bog standard vanilla porn, if such thing still exists, what about if your child had looked over his shoulder? Nope, he’s reading stories about fucking sisters and mothers, who have creepily similar names to his own sister and mother, and he’s getting aroused in sight of your small child. That is fucked up, and I don’t blame you for feeling repelled by it.

robotsocks · 02/09/2019 11:11

@travellersglitch he specifically searched out incest porn. It wasnt just one story.

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Whatisthisfuckery · 02/09/2019 11:11

Disposable = despicable.

BooLooBoo · 02/09/2019 11:15

It really depends on you and how you feel op. For me that would be the end of the relationship. Honestly. Fantasy or whatever. I don't care. Once seen I couldn't unsee.

SouthernComforts · 02/09/2019 11:25

You've actually had to have a conversation with your husband to clarify if he had sex with his mother??? What the fuck. I hope this isn't real.

user1479305498 · 02/09/2019 11:27

that's the thing with porn--its a fine line and many that are cool with it on paper, wouldn't be if they knew the stuff that was watched and sought out. Attraction is a delicate thing in many cases, especially i think with women, and its very very easy to become mentally unattracted if you know your partner watches/fantasies/gets off to stuff which gives you the utter creeps. it usually is just that 'titilation/fantasy' but as I say if you know about this use, it can seriously affect your attraction to someone. On paper it may be harmless enough, but the psyche is a funny thing .

ThirstyGhost · 02/09/2019 11:27

"He has assured me that there was no sexual element to their relationship. "

Even this is weird, surely? Normally no one needs to ask if their partner has ever had sexual feelings towards their own mother. I can't see how any man in this situation is going to agree to counselling either. Folk always suggest that on here as a magic solution but why on earth would he agree to go? Even if he did he'd likely just deny and minimise. Obviously everything is down to how you feel, but since you've asked for opinions - I'd just be gone if this were me. The stuff about his mother would have been enough to be honest. I mean he's put you in a position where you're on an anonymous internet forum asking strangers if we think there's any risk to your children from his behaviour. I can't really relate to your situation because to me it's so alien, BUT if my partner did something that made me feel disgusted and I didn't agree with - whatever that was - I know those feelings would just grow and eventually I'd want out of the relationship.

rumred · 02/09/2019 11:28

Also if his mother has abused him it's not sex, it's abuse. Survivors struggle with shame, amongst all the other stuff, male survivors probably more so.
Because he says he hasn't been abused doesn't mean it didn't happen. Plus his views on family, sex, boundaries will be warped

user1479305498 · 02/09/2019 11:30

to me its no different than suddenly not being attracted to someone who expresses really right wing views. The person hasn't necessarily changed, and its not necessarily 'wrong' , but how I view them and my personal attraction to them has changed etc.

robotsocks · 02/09/2019 11:38

This is real, and yes I've straight up asked my husband if there's ever been any inappropriate contact between him and his mother.
I had only met his mother a few times before we got married, he purposefully kept us seperate during our (slightly long distance) relationship, partly because he knew she wouldn't want him to leave her and partly because she's not a particularly pleasant person to be around. To be honest she's awful.
Shit. Shit shit shit shit shit.
Well, at least I don't feel like I'm making something out of nothing now and I shouldnt just shut up and try to get over it.

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Myriade · 02/09/2019 11:38

I think you really need to tell him if some type of porn are a deal breaker for you. He cant know if you dont tell him and he wont have the chance of stopping if you dint tell him.

Having said that, I agree with you with some counselling. It seems that the siutuation is actually more complicated than just watching pron and having someone to support the process of talking about it, will help.

Myriade · 02/09/2019 11:40

Btw, i dont think you would just 'get over it', not with the strength of the feelings this elicits in you.

You could burry the issue but i can promise it would raise its hugly head at some point in the future.

SparklyMagpie · 02/09/2019 11:43

"I think you really need to tell him if some type of porn are a deal breaker for you. He cant know if you dont tell him and he wont have the chance of stopping if you dint tell him"

I never thought I'd have to tell someone that I don't like incest porn Confused