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What would you do? 35, want marriage and a family and he’s great but...

174 replies

Whattododots · 31/08/2019 21:01

I don’t fancy him.

We dated for 6 months last year. I ended it as I wasn’t sure I had proper fancying feelings, although I loved chatting with him and we had a lot in common.

He’s got back in touch and the conversation is great still. He wants to give it another go. I really want a family and to settle down and to be honest he is completely on the same page as me where that’s concerned. Of course I don’t know him THAT well and further dating could end up that it goes nowhere.

But would you date this man again? Can I be with someone I don’t fully fancy? Do people do that?

OP posts:
Simkin · 01/09/2019 00:43

I think it depends on what your parents' relationship and childhood was like. If it was bad or chaotic there's a chance you don't know what a good relationship looks like, i.e. Not tempestuous or based on longing. I think 'don't settle' is good advice for people with a firm foundation of self esteem. Otherwise you might be mistaking fancying for wanting to be loved by someone who will never properly love you. Ask yourself which it is.

Skittlesandbeer · 01/09/2019 00:58

Well I’ll buck the majority view.

I’ve seen too many friends (male & female) miss out on family life and grieve terribly. All of them romantic types, who were determined not to ‘settle’. I’m only talking about those who wanted kids, not all the happily child-free people.

It’s a strange ‘sliding doors’ situation, isn’t it. But in practical terms I’d rather be on the side with a stable man and kids, with all the modern freedoms of trying to improve the marriage (sex therapy, counselling, etc) and the opportunity of divorce. I think once you have kids, there’s a lot less ‘what if’ thinking in your head. It’s just ‘not about you’ any more, to a great extent.

I see the friends who desperately wanted partner/kids and didn’t have them, suffering more from the ‘what ifs’. And I see lots of happy 2nd ‘life partnerings’ with well-adjusted kids in the mix.

I also see many ‘passionate soulmates’ partnerships around me, that cooled over the years into fairly ‘content with some squabbles’ partnerships. On par with the ones that ‘settled’, if you like.

I’d be tempted to plan a decade ahead, in the OP’s situation. ‘Settle’ and have kids (if he continues to impress). Re-evaluate down the track. You’ll be different, he’ll be different, kids change you for sure. It’s really not a decade you can plan beyond anyway.

And although it’s taboo to mention in our culture, arranged marriages often really blossom. In love and passion. Have done, for millenia. And now you’ve got ‘outs’ if it turns sour.

Depends a lot on your personality. Some people (like me) can make a decision and look only forward from that point. Not be troubled by regrets or ‘what ifs’. Accept and make the very best of the current situation, find joy in it, and make my happiness my own responsibility.

Other personality types put lots more emphasis on ‘never stop dreaming’ and ‘everything is possible’. They feel daily sadness, regret, fear and stress that they’ve made the wrong choices. I suppose ‘settling’ would be too hard for them.

No doubt this is one of life’s truly hard decisions, especially for women. But since marriage isn’t the ‘forever’ decision it used to be, I’d risk an 80% marriage ahead of a xx% chance of missing out on kids.

That’s taking into account OP not wanting to go it alone, and being so sure she wants kids. And the serious drop in fertility after 35 (that’s still not well understood by many young women).

timshelthechoice · 01/09/2019 01:02

I agree, Skittles.

Woahriver · 01/09/2019 01:20

Google bonding activities

7salmonswimming · 01/09/2019 01:40

I think you sound like you haven’t a clue. Knock out a kid or two and and see how much you want to rip off your partner’s clothes with a 4yo and a 1yo in the next bedroom.

What do you mean by “family”? Are you imagining 2 parents and a couple of kids,Sunday roasts, walks in the woods, family holidays, school runs and PTAs, laughter in front of the Telly and dancing in the kitchen? Or would you include just you as a parent, working full time with the full weight of providing financial and physical and emotional stability on your shoulders, child in childcare around your work schedule whatever holiday time you can get together as your family time?

Both are equally valid family lives, but you seem to be envisaging the former. In which case stable, decent, loves his job, good conversation, would be happy for you to stay at home ticks 90% of the boxes. Grabbing him and shagging him doesn’t come into it.

If you envisage the latter, find alternative ways to have a child and let this guy find someone better suited to him than you think you are. Organize a babysitter so you can continue to have amazing sex.

At 35, I’m afraid you’re running out of time to find a man who is decent AND stable AND loves his job AND would be happy to be a sole provider AND wants a family too AND who you get on with well AND who want to be with you AND who is outrageously sexy.

Flower777 · 01/09/2019 01:55

It sounds like there is lots you DO like about this man.

Loving chatting is a pretty good start. It sounds like your values are aligned which is good.

Why don’t you go on a few more dates and take it from there?

BizzzzyBee · 01/09/2019 01:55

You are better off having kids by donor than settling for someone you don't really care about
Disagree. A child is better off with two parents providing attention and financial support. A mother is better off with a second household income and someone to take the child and give her a break.

If you marry him he’ll be the only man you’ll ever have sex with again. Are you happy with that? Also you’ll have to speak to him every day for the next 60 years
Not necessarily. They could be married for ten years then divorce.

Personally, at 35 I’d settle for someone who’d make a good father even if I didn’t fancy him. Have a kid or two before 40, get through the sleepless nights where you’re too exhausted for sex anyway and you can’t spend time alone because you always have kids around. Give the marriage a go and if you’re not happy you can leave before you turn 50 and be a single mother, secure in the knowledge that your kids have financial support and you have a co-parent to share the burden.

Or you can wait around for an attractive man who might never show up and risk not having any kids at all. Realistically Mr Perfect would have to come along within 3-4 years and commit immediately, or you can kiss your chance of kids goodbye. If he hasn’t come along in the last 20 years then the odds of him turning up in the next 3-4 years aren’t great.

AcrossthePond55 · 01/09/2019 02:12

I know someone who married a man she wasn't madly in love with but who she knew to be a solidly good man with good family values. And he loved her. It's working well for her, she has a good life, and they're happy.

One of the things she said was that she had to realize that she was entering into a marriage. That she had to be sure she could keep her vows to be faithful, caring, supportive, and loving to a man she knew deep down she didn't truly love. She decided she could.

If you feel you can be a good and faithful wife to this man, possibly for the rest of your life, do it. That's an honest bargain, even if he doesn't realize exactly what the bargain is. But don't use him as a sperm donor, don't marry him with the plan to pop out a couple of kids then leave him in 10 years as a PP suggested.

1300cakes · 01/09/2019 02:34

It depends on your definition of fancying someone, you have great conversations and great sex - that's fancying someone, isn't it? What else is there?

OK, there's an amazing body. But if we all only choose people whose bodies were a perfect 10/10, very few of us would be in relationships and no one would be in one aged over about 45-50. (you can still look great over that age but you won't be "perfect").

I don't think butterflies etc really happens the same way as we get in to our 30s+. Which is actually a good thing - the obsessive crushes I had as a teenager were actually unpleasant in many ways and definitely not healthy.

Olikingcharles · 01/09/2019 02:56

Personally i would give it another try he sounds like a good man. Seems there's a lot you do like about him. Lot to be said for good stable man you've described. Many of us have married men who we fancied with all the passsion etc. been a disaster for me. Personally if i had my time over i'd go for someone exactly as you have described.

Preggosaurus9 · 01/09/2019 03:02

Agree about the smell! If he doesn't smell good to you then it will never last, you will end up resenting him and loathing him deep down. Can you imagine doing his washing etc. Yuck!

Agree that marriage with kids is much different from just being in a relationship. You have to grow together or else you'll grow apart. Again, to grow together you have to fundamentally be attracted and committed to him or you'll never make it. It's bloody hard work.

greentheme23 · 01/09/2019 03:26

I think I felt like you when I got married but 23 years later we are still together and actually have a very good marriage compared to all those people who married because of passion. He's been a great dad to our kids and I've respected him and loved him all the more for his personal qualities. Life isn't all fireworks and romance it's being able to talk and laugh and look after your children jointly.

prawnsword · 01/09/2019 05:32

For all the people saying to settle so you can have kids - how would you feel if you found out your partner had settled for you? Imagine being the partner reading this thread about how you are Ok enough to swindle some kids out of & use me for my good job & dependability, with a possible view to ditch them once they’d taken all they wanted from me?

This is really shallow. If you plan to settle I hope at least you aren’t lying to your partner telling them how much you love them. You clearly are not attracted to this person sexually if you have to turn the lights off to do it.

You are going to end up in a dead bedroom situation sooner rather than later. If you keep forcing yourself to have sex you don’t want, it isn’t healthy for either of you.

You might want a family, but do your wants come before your partner’s right to be with someone who truly fancies them ? You don’t think they are deserving of a better relationship than what you are offering them ? It’s kind of arrogant to think you are not screwing them over for your own benefit & personal agenda!

prawnsword · 01/09/2019 05:33

@greentheme23 can you comfortably have sex with the lights on & does his body turn you off on sight ?

greentheme23 · 01/09/2019 05:49

@greentheme well after 23 years of marriage you know every bump, curve and wrinkle on them so lights on or lights off it makes not much difference tbh! Obviously no his body doesn't turn me off on sight.

greentheme23 · 01/09/2019 05:52

Sorry meant @prawnsword it's early!

Walkaround · 01/09/2019 06:30

Whattododots - well, it depends how important the missing bit is to you, doesn't it? And whether you give each other enough of what you both want to be happy together. Sense of humour, calm, great dad, reliable, good enough sex, feeling loved emotionally - that's perfect for some people, particularly those who place more importance on personality and intellectual compatibility than physical attraction . If, however, you are one of those people who will always hanker after a bit more excitement, who will compare their dp unfavourably to others, who will start to wish for more spark and excitement, then leave the poor bastard alone.
Ps he might not actually be all the things you think he is, of course...

Itsjustmee · 01/09/2019 06:33

Just my opinion. But how can you have sex with someone you don’t fancy
Sleep in the same bed as them
Cuddle up to them. Have the smell of them around you .
I could do the above with someone I didn’t fancy for a short time a few dates and I did many times when I was younger but months and years of it not a chance in hell . The thought of that makes me feel sick
And having kids with someone you don’t find fancy and find physically attractive ugh sorry but all of the above is nasty and shallow

Once you have your kids probably every time he touches you will cringe

My DH annoys the ass of me sometimes but I fancy him like mad. Never think that I don’t want to kiss him or have sex with him . Been together for over 20 years

If you settle in the way you say you are your selling yourself short and him

Chitarra · 01/09/2019 06:46

In your case it sounds like what you're looking for may be unrealistic- the perfect body and the great dad material. He sounds like a nice man and you have good sex. So I'd give this one a go.

Walkaround · 01/09/2019 06:47

itsjustme - plenty of people have no trouble having sex with someone they love intellectually and emotionally - they might take longer to turn you on physically, but frankly, as with masturbation, you don't need to be with the world's sexiest man to find sex or sexual stimulation enjoyable, you just need not to find them physically repellant and to love and trust them in all other ways.
Look at all the threads on here from women whose husbands tell them they no longer find them physically attractive because they've got fat and untoned... you'll see most women find that an unappealing characteristic in their man, because he is supposed to love them warts and all... because physical attraction is not the be all and end all for all people.

Walkaround · 01/09/2019 06:50

*repellent

Conniedescending · 01/09/2019 07:02

I would go for it - if you want a family and a nice life there's nothing sexier than Mr reliable and dependable in the long run and with longevity and trust the attraction, affection and love will grow.

As long as you don't get the ick when you are intimate with him - I don't think you can work round that but if sex is pleasurable then I think you'd be daft not to

category12 · 01/09/2019 07:10

I think in a few years time, you'd be revolted by sex with him and be ripe for an affair.

yulet · 01/09/2019 07:18

Don't use him OP, and if you do go for a relationship, don't lie.

I feel that the way some people have talked about men on this thread sound horrible - this is a real human being we're talking about, not some walking sperm donor. Fuck off.

simone1863 · 01/09/2019 07:43

Yep, some frankly 'orrible attitudes. Deceptive, nasty, and he deserves better.