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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Dating thread 167: Help, I need somebody - but not just anybody

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CassettesAreCool · 19/08/2019 12:23

  1. The first rule about the dating thread is don't talk about it with people you're dating.
  2. Develop a thick skin.
  3. Do not invest emotionally too soon.
  4. It's all BS until it actually happens.
  5. Trust your gut instinct.
  6. People vanishing, lying & being generally weird is not your fault.
  7. You are the prize - they should be trying to impress you.
  8. If it's not fun, stop.
  9. Loo update is mandatory.
10. No dating the thread. 11. Do unto others as you would have them do to you. 12. Any relationship you have that could get ruined by having a conversation about your feelings, standards and/or expectations wasn't really stable enough to begin with

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ccgirr · 26/08/2019 09:33

Morning all, I think we all need to be as brave as @Ginmel and just ask or be upfront to save heartache later. I am loving this weather. Already sunbathing! Seeing my friends from school tonight and hoping to pop to mr locals after

supercali77 · 26/08/2019 10:03

@FMFL in your position if you want to know what hes after I'd maybe keep it short and open. Like, you get the impression hes interested in something casual, is that the case.....type of thing. Some people will over promise if they think you're 'out' and then proceed to the under delivery phase 😂. I dunno, everyone is different he might be totally upfront but you'll get an answer either way

FMFL · 26/08/2019 10:09

Yes yes @Supercali77 thanks...I’ve held off sending my essay to him , I’ll scrap it and go short and sweet.

Coffeeandchocolate9 · 26/08/2019 10:23

@Notcoolmum

Just noticed your postcoffeeandchocolate. This sounds like a potential difference in character which is hard to overcome I think. Hard to say more when I'm not sure what sort of conversations he's swerving.

Thanks for the reminder that it's absolutely normal to be able to discuss our relationship and what we are each thinking. I don't expect all conversations to be easy for us both or equally difficult. I know some stuff will trigger me, and some probably different stuff will trigger him. He can switch from being open to snapping shut a lid on a box unexpectedly and then if I press it blaming me for making it awkward. I know that after we first met he was wrangling how much he'd told me about himself and the fact that he'd told me things on our first date he'd never told anybody else. It feels like a snap back to his normal from that. But it's inconsistent, even within 10 minutes being very open to very closed. I'm ok if this is his processing things and working it through and it'll get better, but I'm not ok with it if it's permanent and he's not prepared to at least try to meet me half way.

@ccir

what kind of thing won’t he answer? Always makes me wonder if I’ve asked things when I read things like Ike this. Would worry me though

@Ginmel

so was he avoiding answering questions or were you asking him to change in some way? Bit confused so sorry if I misunderstood

Bit of both, really.

Example:
We we discussing what we each we into sexually. Led by him, he was pressing me to say, and I was finding it quite difficult (he does notice and acknowledge and offer different ways which could help). After an awkward start I got going with it, and he'd say "yeah ok I don't mind that" or i don't have a problem with that. I found his phrasing weird, and asked him to clarify what he meant and he seemed to be talking about what he would be prepared to do for a lover, not what he enjoyed. I think I shared maybe 5-10 things, and got one single thing out of him for what he likes. A few days later I found a website that offers you possibilities and you can make a list - so I made one and sent it to him. It was a good talking point. I asked him to do the same for me. I haven't had it, although apparently he's written one twice and deleted it twice because of technicalities (the website only lets you say say giving or receiving, something I'd explained when I gave him my list).

I made a comment about being his girlfriend. He joked in a serious voice about all his other girlfriends. He did say at the end that they were all imaginary- so I inferred from him (and me in all fairness) being indirect, that we are in fact exclusive and a couple.

He refused to add me on his Facebook. Says he's too private a person - yet sat scrolling through his fb feed showing me stuff, so I know it's not that he doesn't want me to see what's on there.

As I was asking questions about him it turns out he's been arrested. As a youth apparently. Then when asked point blank refused to tell me what for. I'm not really worried about what it is, but it seemed like a ridiculous thing to suddenly shut down and clam up about, and in doing so made it into a big issue for what was probably a nothing offence.

He won't answer where he works - that's too private apparently. Yet I've been to his house, We have dtd, shared intimately. I know what he does just not where. I don't get why telling me where he works is more private and personal than any of the above. I know just before we met his ex went in there and it hurt him, so whether he's trying to get to know and trust me not to do that...? Meanwhile I had already taken him to my place of work.

He was asking about my dating history. I explained. He shared his. He "joked" that I'd go back to one of them. I said I wouldn't, and that in any case he was seeing somebody and so was I. He asked who and I said him of course, and he... was deadpan jokey about not being so sure about that, and I said the were times and subjects that that wasn't ok with me about, and he got defensive saying that was a part of him and that I'll never change him. So I feel back to not knowing if he is exclusively with me or not.

So, mixed signals, and I can see from writing this out that I've been unfair at least in my head a couple of times because I wasnt being direct either. Blush
Confused I feel like being upfront this that could well be a deal breaker for me, but I could do with having the conversation in a softer way, because if I go in how I'm feeling it'll be all guns blazing and will put him on the defense. Confused

Ginmel · 26/08/2019 10:36

@coffeeandchocolate9 please read rule 12. He sounds like he's messing with your head. Communication sounds really confusing. Fully get this is just you sharing info in brief so maybe things are better than they sound but comments like the open /closes thing if he isn't trying to change that you are pushing water up a hill.
Good luck!

TooOldForThis67 · 26/08/2019 10:36

Coffee - I'm not sure I like the sound of him. Sorry. It could all be a mind fuck. Have you tried googling his name? I went out with a guy that got done for GBH (with his best pal!) when he was younger. He showed me the press clipping. How can your relationship progress if he's so cagey about stuff? Obviously it depends how much you like him but I think I'd walk away if I was in your shoes.

Ginmel · 26/08/2019 10:37

And please remember this, coffee

The things you choose to ignore/tolerate now are the reasons you will break up in the future

Ginmel · 26/08/2019 10:48

Glad it helped @lifegoes 👍
@ccgirr It's really not about bravery, for me. It's just about believing in focusing on what I know I want and not wanting to settle for something that distracts me from meeting that person. That's all 😊

Aleesha1 · 26/08/2019 10:50

@Coffeeandchocolate9 it sounds like you are being messed around with here. He seems all over the place and making you question yourself a lot. Doesn't sound fun for you

Ginmel · 26/08/2019 10:57

can see from writing this out that I've been unfair at least in my head a couple of times because I wasnt being direct either
Coffee - it's sad you wrote all that out and your first comment was that you were in the wrong. All of us have read your post so far and thought he was a head fuck. It's not you being indirect, he's putting things back on you in quite a twisted way to makes you think that.

I've had a manager do that and it is so horrible because you doubt yourself for all the wrong reasons. Please think about if a friend wrote your post how many red flags would you spot.

ccgirr · 26/08/2019 10:57

@Coffeeandchocolate9 agree with the others. The sexual stuff I get more that he doesn’t want to commit to saying he likes or dislikes things as might put you off and things are different with different people but the work, past arrest etc. that’s not right. Definitely need a chat I reckon

supercali77 · 26/08/2019 11:00

@Coffeeandchocolate9 I honestly don't like any of that. The mixed messages ...are you/aren't you exclusive. The 'you'll go back to one of your exes' line sounds a bit like when someone says 'I'll be no good for you'....an admission by people of their own character under the guise of banter. How old is he? Relationship history? In the early days it's the best you get from someone, never had a situation where someone went from clammed up to open and loving.

supercali77 · 26/08/2019 11:04

Yeah I noticed you apologised at the end too. You've been trying to be as clear as you can. I'd have cut him loose when he started giving it 'I wouldn't be so sure about that (girlfreind)'. Is the man jesus? Dick of solid gold? He sounds like an arrogant, Triangulating, vague-dealing headfucker

WhatWhyWhen · 26/08/2019 11:15

What’s supercali said as always. He’s controlling the communication, despite knowing it makes you unhappy.

What else will he control?

MoreNiceCereal · 26/08/2019 11:45

He's messing with you, big time. Big time. Please consider calling it off.

Coffeeandchocolate9 · 26/08/2019 11:57

Hmm. Thanks folks. Reading that back as if it was one of you was pretty enlightening, I'd be seeing red flags all over that post if it were one of you not me. I could counter that I've only listed the bad stuff and not the good that outweighs it in volumes, but I've seen people saying that before too and again, if it was one of you I'd be calling BS.

Bugger. I really thought it was something special. Sad Still haven't written that off, but now he's got a hell of a lot of proving to do. We connected really well and authentically in the beginning. This behaviour is the opposite of that.

Bah. Sad

Ginmel · 26/08/2019 11:58

Thought for the day

Dating thread 167: Help, I need somebody - but not just anybody
Ginmel · 26/08/2019 12:01

Xpost @coffeeandchocolate9 he has reeled you in and I would doubt how much of the real him you saw then. Another good saying when someone shows you their true colours believe them.

Sorry FlowersBrew

Ginmel · 26/08/2019 12:02

You saw then = you saw at the beginning

putastrawunderbaby · 26/08/2019 12:03

I know I'm probably overreacting but I'm sitting here shaking..... I had a couple of messages from someone, all very normal, third message slightly odd - are you sure you're looking for a relationship, you seem too happy on your own - next message an absolute string of abuse, calling me names, telling me I'm a weirdo, it's written all over my face, will spend a lifetime looking and never find love..... I know it's ridiculous but it's hit a real nerve (all my insecurities and fears) and really upset me.

Coffeeandchocolate9 · 26/08/2019 12:10

@putastrawunderbaby what a tosser! Please ty to remember that their little sordid outburst was 100% about them and their stuff than you. I'm sorry they managed to touch a nerve though. They sound like a psychopath who enjoys unsettling people like that. Flowers

TooOldForThis67 · 26/08/2019 12:16

putastraw - what a weirdo! He doesn't know you. Report him and block. ⚘

Coffeeandchocolate9 · 26/08/2019 12:18

Thanks @ginmel. I had a friend run me through "people always tell/show you who they are. What did he tell you about him?" after the first (8 hour) date, and I couldn't find anything negative. Of course with the benefit of hindsight I can see that he said he was normally a very private person, and that he showed me that he absolutely refused to make any decisions or show his hand at all, even to express a mild preference over a type of restaurant.

Grr. Excuse me while I be a bit broken over this. I have a hurt. I'll be in this corner >>>> moping if anybody wants to bring me chocolate occasionally. Sad

JeSuisPrest · 26/08/2019 12:18

@putastrawunderbaby I'm just catching up with the thread but saw your post and wanted to give you a hug. If you're feeling brave, screen shot it and report his posts to whatever app you're using - I've done this a couple of times. They usually get a warning, before they get booted off, but your report might be the second or third complaint they get, so worth doing if its gets him off the apps for a bit - before he gets another email address and signs up again - I dont know whether the apps are sophisticated enough to block ISP addresses 🤷‍♀️. I had someone tell me (after I sent a nice thanks but no thanks, wish you all the best message), he hoped I got cancer and I'd need chemotherapy so my pretty hair and teeth would fall out. Please, please do not take his comments personally. He does not know you at all. He is a complete and utter troll, trawling the internet for reaction and causing upset for his own personal satisfaction. I've no idea what makes people do this, but it's nothing to do with you. 🌻

putastrawunderbaby · 26/08/2019 12:20

Oh @coffeeandchocolate9 I'm so sorry. I'll come and join you if I may.

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