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Demise of marriage? Feelings turned by one conversation!

289 replies

Freetodowhatiwant · 15/08/2019 13:37

I don’t really know where to start. I have been with DH for almost 20 years and married for almost 10. We had a lot of fun for the 10 years prior to getting married – travelling and plenty of going out. I’ve been with him since age 25 and am now 45. He is 11 years older but this isn’t an issue, he’s very youthful in many ways. We have two children aged 7 and 4.

Our relationship has many positive aspects – when we have time to hang around together we laugh and share the similar interests. There are no significant domestic issues in terms of housework and cooking. He used to do much more than me pre-kids and now I do probably more as I am at home more (work from home). The house is a bit of a mess but this is because of the kids and we both try our best so that’s not a huge issue even though there is the occasional argument about this I think it's normal.

To my friends who’ve moaned about their partners for other reasons (two have DHs who don’t do anything around the house) I have always said that mine and DH’s relationship is 80% good, not perfect but enough to keep us together.

Herein lies the problem though. The 20% bad has been his anger issues. He had had them from the beginning. Most of the males in his family had the same issues. He often gets angry for no reason. Getting ready in the morning is a particular issue. He will shout and stomp around and if the anger is directed at me can sometimes seriously intimidate me. He has never hit me but he has loomed over me many times and his face and body are terrifying. He’s 6ft and I’m 5.5ft so he has a height and physical presence that can scare me. There have been times this has happened in front of the children and the children and I have all been hugging and waiting until it passes. He’s a mental health professional (I know) so there are times when he has been able to keep this under control for a while (taking St John’s Wort helps) but there have been many times when he is angry and I feel like I am treading on egg shells. Sometimes this has been on a daily basis, particularly for a few hours in the morning, and has ruined a good part of the day. He is always sorry afterwards and he knows he is out of order. I am not perfect of course, but I am just focusing on DH’s anger issues. I am by nature, I think, quite a happy person but when he has one of these angry episodes it really plunges my mood.

Here’s the weirdest thing. In January he had two angry mornings in a row, nothing out of the ordinary, and on the second morning something just clicked inside me and I suddenly thought ‘I cant do this for the rest of my life’. My mood plunged and I entered a low depression from which I didn’t emerge for a couple of months and to be honest it is still bubbling under the surface and although I am carrying on with life as normal I am still quite emotional. This is very very unusual for me as I usually brush things off but it was like all the angry episodes over the 19 years we had been together just built up into one homogenous mass that has eaten away at me.

Whilst I have been thinking about an alternative future it has also given me feelings - unrelated to his anger issues - about whether I want to be with him for another 20+ years. It now just all feels like an awful long time. I have told him all this and we have had a couple of conversations about our future. The thing is since telling him how my feelings have changed for him he has kept an incredibly good check on his moods, not perfect but I am not saying I am either. But my low feelings and doubt about whether I can be with him for the rest of my life haven’t changed though and I find myself trawling the boards here trying to find some solution, researching divorce, researching people who have stayed together and not really knowing wtf to do.

It’s like I am in a quiet crisis, carrying on with day to day activities and life. We are abroad for the summer and he has gone back to the UK to work for a couple of weeks and I haven’t really yet missed him. This upsets me because like I said the 80% that was good meant we had fun together. We are lucky enough to have family to babysit and we can often go out. But the fact is I can’t seem to get over the build up of angry moods and a huge part of me feels the pull of freedom seems more and more attractive. I have emotionally checked out of the relationship and I don't know how to get back or if I want to. I can tell he knows this and he is trying his best but it isn’t making a difference at the moment. The thought however of tearing our family apart is also terrifying. I just don’t know what to do.

If you have got this far, well done! Any thoughts would be amazing.

OP posts:
UYScuti · 08/01/2020 17:48

the foot on your face thing is very disturbing, he's crossed a big line there and there's only a flimsy barrier before he escalates and kicks you in the face
he regards you as an object which he can destroy if it displeases him

NaturalBlondeYeahRight · 08/01/2020 17:50

All the doubts about breaking up/what’s better or worse for children should evaporate the moment he did this. It’s out there now. No more thinking time needed. Come on, you can do this.

Dozer · 08/01/2020 17:51

Sorry to hear that his abuse escalated. Really hope you LTB.

Dozer · 08/01/2020 17:51

This would benefit your DC.

HollowTalk · 08/01/2020 17:52

The thought of seeing a man treat my daughter like that... Your poor mother, thinking of you in that marriage.

ScreamingLadySutch · 08/01/2020 17:53

"The thing is since telling him how my feelings have changed for him he has kept an incredibly good check on his moods,"

Yes, it is ASTONISHING how much control and choice they actually DO have on themselves....

[when faced with losing it all] ...

stupid selfish self indulgent disrespectful demeaning misogynistic twats

midwest · 08/01/2020 17:57

He is mental health professional ?
That is very concerning.
In addition to leaving for yourself you should also seriously consider reporting this to the police and his registering body if he has one.
Having a police record may be useful if housing issues etc come up later.

Bigpaintinglittlepainting · 08/01/2020 18:04

Christ just get him to leave, you’re scared of him. That’s enough

SouthernComforts · 08/01/2020 18:05

Just read the full thread and was hoping your update would be that you seperated 6 months ago and you've never been happier.

You are married to a vile, woman beating prick. Your children are scared of him. You are being abused by him. This isn't a marriage. Wake up and make this the year you change your life, or he may kill you next time.

Babysharkdoodoodood · 08/01/2020 18:06

@Freetodowhatiwant What do you think it would do to the kids if he killed you next time!

AnotherEmma · 08/01/2020 18:09

For god's sake, woman.
You ignored our advice before and look where that led you.
Please listen to us this time.
REPORT HIM and then leave the abusive fucking bastard.
And get counselling for yourself as a matter of urgency.

ElspethFlashman · 08/01/2020 18:10

we even went out one night with friends when away still, dancing and laughing and getting on. I was actually scared that night spending the night on my own in the house with him when the DC were with the GPs. I told him this and he was devastated about it. Nevertheless I slept in the empty DCs room and put a piece of furniture in front of the door.

I mean..... WTF??

STOP GOING OUT WITH HIM!

Stop acting normal! You're either dumping the fucker or you're not.

He's an absolute cunt. How the fuck you could dance and laugh with him after he ground his boot in your face....christ.

UYScuti · 08/01/2020 18:11

The thing is since telling him how my feelings have changed for him he has kept an incredibly good check on his moods
this is strategy he does and says whatever is necessary in the moment to get you to do what he wants you to

rvby · 08/01/2020 18:11

@Freetodowhatiwant I cried reading your update.

For the love of God, PLEASE GET YOUR CHILDREN OUT OF THIS HOUSE. Please. I'm not trying to be mean to you here, I'm really not, but PLEASE you should have left years ago, you MUST get them out of this situation so that they at least have a remote chance of surviving their childhoods.

He could have killed you. So easily.

Please. This marriage is not worth your children being made motherless by this absolute fuckwad of a criminal excuse for a man.

OP what can we do to help you go. Honestly. If you can just articulate what you need to hear from us, that will finally motivate you to get your kids out of there - we will say it.

AlexaAmbidextra · 08/01/2020 18:14

There have been times this has happened in front of the children and the children and I have all been hugging and waiting until it passes.

The picture this paints is just appalling. You and the children cowering together for safety until he stops ranting and raving. Does he unleash his rage at work when a co-worker or client irritates him? No, of course he doesn’t. Which means he is actively choosing to inflict his anger on you. I wouldn’t want to live like this and your children will be damaged if you continue to.

FGSJoanWhatsWrongWithYou · 08/01/2020 18:18

I just read the thread. I didn't realise it was old until I got to your update. I had been planning to post saying that your 20% is probably wrong, that the already horrifically high 20%, is only with you engaged in full on appeasement. If you stop pandering then he will become violent to get you back in your box. Sadly I was right.

I DO want to separate, I really think I do, but he is being so wonderful and so wants it to work

Of course he is being wonderful. He can afford to be. The message has been delivered via your skull under his foot.

He has shown you that he both can and will seriously hurt you if the fancy takes him.

Even with witnesses present. Even delivering obvious visible injuries.

You have learned that he can easily overpower you.

He has learned that you are so well trained in appeasement that you haven't called the police or moved out. You lied about the injuries to protect him. Presumably you stopped the witness from calling the police.

This is powerful learning. Powerful messages.

In summary, you have been given your shock collar training. He can be lovely now that:
(a) you know the shock collar is round your neck
(b) you know he alone chooses whether to deliver the shock
(c) you know you can do nothing about it when he decides to deliver you the shock.
(d) he believes his twenty years of training has paid off so you'll accept living in your new normal. All he has to do is make the right noises and you'll agree to living in the shock collar he fixed round your neck on NYE.

Get out.

Fast.

AlexaAmbidextra · 08/01/2020 18:18

I think it’s a good sign that he’s actively minding his anger since you spoke with him. It means he is willing and able to change.

I don’t. I think this makes things even worse. He doesn’t bother to control his temper knowing it’s upsetting his wife and children. Only where there’s a chance it will affect him does he do something about it.

Amaretto · 08/01/2020 18:20

Mortified? He is mortified? I doubt it.
He knows we ry well that his behaviour isn’t on. He is also able to control his anger and has proven that to you.
But now that he knows well he has gone well over th limits, he is scared that you will actually leave. He is mortified at what he did. He is worried to loose what he had, a partner that loved him and actually forgave too much because he couldn’t be bothered to take care what was I portant to him.

You need to start getting angry. Angry at his latest outburst (I mean you have been scared of him enough to put a piece of furniture in front of the door!!). Angry at the fact he never bothered to control his anger when he actually could.
Use that anger to keep you going and to finish the relationship. But PLEASE, I wouod also be quite careful. He has just shown you how brutal he can be....

BrigidSt · 08/01/2020 18:20

Go to the police. He has assaulted you repeatedly. Look up the definition of assault and undestand that what he is doing. It isn't unprecedented, it's been years. It will only get worse and more frequent. Get out.

Amaretto · 08/01/2020 18:22

And what @FGSJoanWhatsWrongWithYou said too!!

If you dint move out now, he has won a huge battle. One where you will have given away many of your rights over to him, allowing him to carry in abusing you.

fizzandchips · 08/01/2020 18:27

Please leave him.
Please report what he did to the police.
My mum left my father after I witnessed a similar situation. We lost our home, she lost her social status and was ostracised by friends because he lied about why she left.
I’m now the same age as you and since I was 7 years old I have been so proud of my mum and so very grateful she left.
If a stranger did to you what your husband did you would recognise it as a serious assault. Don’t minimise what he did because you said vows and married him. He broke those vows every time he chose to be angry with you and the children. He broke your marriage the night he stood on your face and gave you a black eye.
I’m sending you a handhold and I’m so grateful you posted, because I think deep down you know we’re going to tell you that you are doing the right thing by leaving him.
He has shown you who he is. Believe him. Tell the police. Leave him. He’s crossed a line and won’t hesitate to cross it again. Previously you were in fear of his angry outbursts. You and your children are now in danger every day. You have protected your children this long, now you need to summon all your courage and protect them again and report him.

KellyHall · 08/01/2020 18:30

Get him or you and your dc out of the house. Don't wait until he does something worse. Everything can be sorted out, don't worry about the small things, worry about the big things: the physical and mental wellbeing of you and your dc!

Is this what you want your dc to behave like with others? Do you want your dc to let people treat them this way? Of course not, so show them it's not acceptable and end it. NOW!

AutumnCrow · 08/01/2020 18:31

we even went out one night with friends when away still, dancing and laughing and getting on

And I presume your husband sat by while you lied to your friends about how you got the black eye?

He's not sorry. He's dangerous.

Superfoodie123 · 08/01/2020 18:32

Please do the right thing and leave.

Your kids shouldn't be seeing this, what you're experiencing is magnified 10 fold to them. There was anger in my home growing up and it's taken me years to understand and find out how to manage the anxiety its caused. It's not 80% good, if hes doing this regularly though, maybe you've been telling yourself this as a coping mechanism.

MitziK · 08/01/2020 18:43

You need to engage with Women's Aid.

Next time, when you say you still want to separate, he could be stamping on your head or kicking you in the face whilst your children cling to one another and cry.

If anything, rather than keeping things as they are, you should be using that 'calm' or disconnection to quietly plan your escape in a way that means you do not become a four line article on page 7 of the local paper.