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Demise of marriage? Feelings turned by one conversation!

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Freetodowhatiwant · 15/08/2019 13:37

I don’t really know where to start. I have been with DH for almost 20 years and married for almost 10. We had a lot of fun for the 10 years prior to getting married – travelling and plenty of going out. I’ve been with him since age 25 and am now 45. He is 11 years older but this isn’t an issue, he’s very youthful in many ways. We have two children aged 7 and 4.

Our relationship has many positive aspects – when we have time to hang around together we laugh and share the similar interests. There are no significant domestic issues in terms of housework and cooking. He used to do much more than me pre-kids and now I do probably more as I am at home more (work from home). The house is a bit of a mess but this is because of the kids and we both try our best so that’s not a huge issue even though there is the occasional argument about this I think it's normal.

To my friends who’ve moaned about their partners for other reasons (two have DHs who don’t do anything around the house) I have always said that mine and DH’s relationship is 80% good, not perfect but enough to keep us together.

Herein lies the problem though. The 20% bad has been his anger issues. He had had them from the beginning. Most of the males in his family had the same issues. He often gets angry for no reason. Getting ready in the morning is a particular issue. He will shout and stomp around and if the anger is directed at me can sometimes seriously intimidate me. He has never hit me but he has loomed over me many times and his face and body are terrifying. He’s 6ft and I’m 5.5ft so he has a height and physical presence that can scare me. There have been times this has happened in front of the children and the children and I have all been hugging and waiting until it passes. He’s a mental health professional (I know) so there are times when he has been able to keep this under control for a while (taking St John’s Wort helps) but there have been many times when he is angry and I feel like I am treading on egg shells. Sometimes this has been on a daily basis, particularly for a few hours in the morning, and has ruined a good part of the day. He is always sorry afterwards and he knows he is out of order. I am not perfect of course, but I am just focusing on DH’s anger issues. I am by nature, I think, quite a happy person but when he has one of these angry episodes it really plunges my mood.

Here’s the weirdest thing. In January he had two angry mornings in a row, nothing out of the ordinary, and on the second morning something just clicked inside me and I suddenly thought ‘I cant do this for the rest of my life’. My mood plunged and I entered a low depression from which I didn’t emerge for a couple of months and to be honest it is still bubbling under the surface and although I am carrying on with life as normal I am still quite emotional. This is very very unusual for me as I usually brush things off but it was like all the angry episodes over the 19 years we had been together just built up into one homogenous mass that has eaten away at me.

Whilst I have been thinking about an alternative future it has also given me feelings - unrelated to his anger issues - about whether I want to be with him for another 20+ years. It now just all feels like an awful long time. I have told him all this and we have had a couple of conversations about our future. The thing is since telling him how my feelings have changed for him he has kept an incredibly good check on his moods, not perfect but I am not saying I am either. But my low feelings and doubt about whether I can be with him for the rest of my life haven’t changed though and I find myself trawling the boards here trying to find some solution, researching divorce, researching people who have stayed together and not really knowing wtf to do.

It’s like I am in a quiet crisis, carrying on with day to day activities and life. We are abroad for the summer and he has gone back to the UK to work for a couple of weeks and I haven’t really yet missed him. This upsets me because like I said the 80% that was good meant we had fun together. We are lucky enough to have family to babysit and we can often go out. But the fact is I can’t seem to get over the build up of angry moods and a huge part of me feels the pull of freedom seems more and more attractive. I have emotionally checked out of the relationship and I don't know how to get back or if I want to. I can tell he knows this and he is trying his best but it isn’t making a difference at the moment. The thought however of tearing our family apart is also terrifying. I just don’t know what to do.

If you have got this far, well done! Any thoughts would be amazing.

OP posts:
Redshoeblueshoe · 24/01/2020 23:34

Helpfullilly and FGSJoan Flowers your posts have brought me to tears.
OP please get some proper support from Women's Aid. Can't your H stay with relatives until you move ?

GilbertMarkham · 24/01/2020 23:50

he had immediately calmed down
agreeing with what FGSJoan said...this suggests to me that his attack on you provided him with a sense of release and relief
release and relief is pretty close to pleasure
after attacking someone wouldnt you think a 'normal' person would be very shaken up and take a long time to calm down...??

I agree with this but I also think he wax worried op and/or her mum would call the police on him (regardless of being abroad) ... That's major and could affect his work/license, his reputation etc., couldn't it?

How can a mental health professional/counsellor work when they're known to have violently assaulted someone (?!)

So it's calculated "calm" as well.

GilbertMarkham · 24/01/2020 23:52

Op like others i worry he's going to snap again and hurt you or worse do.efjme during this separation process .. perhaps when he feels a loss of control or realised you're for real etc.

Is there any way you could do this in an alternative way and not be living with him? Could you temp. live with your parents for example?

GilbertMarkham · 24/01/2020 23:54

*realises

SoTiredTonight · 04/02/2020 19:35

Hello @Freetodowhatiwant, just wondering if everything is ok with you? x

Freetodowhatiwant · 02/03/2020 16:28

Thanks @sotiredtonight sorry have only just checked in. Yes all is okay, we are still living together although have agreed a sale on the house and supposedly will move out of it at the beginning of May. He's very remorsefully and generally very sad but then when we talk about it in depth I get that glimpse of the person who is the whole reason I am leaving - that angry person. He does it to himself and then is so annoyed with himself but can't seem to stop it. He is distraught really, I am sad too but still determined it is best for me if we separate.

It's a scary time really, as we are moving towns at the same time we don't yet know where we are going to live, where the kids are going to school and how it is going to pan out but the rough plan is to have two houses in the new town that are not too far away from each other. We have tentatively discussed custody of the children and because he might be working late/commuting I think every other weekend plus one day in the week would work for us. He is struggling with a lot of things but again I am still determined that we are separating, sad as it is all round. I can't carry on walking around on eggshells for the rest of my life and that was the feeling even before it took a violent turn on NYE.

I hope to be able to update when something has changed. Thanks for your concern, it is appreciated.

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Disfordarkchocolate · 05/03/2020 07:24

Thanks for the update, it's good to hear you are managing well. Or, as well as you can. I just hope the tension of moving doesn't have an impact. I'm glad to hear you have support too, it really makes a difference.

ednatheevilwitch · 05/03/2020 07:41

Your children are young enough that you can get out and avoid this domestic abuse damaging them even further. You need to get out op - abusive men very very rarely change and it gets worse. I have been where you are now and a word of warning - it is not recommended to enter counselling with an abusive man it simply can't work.

Threeflyingducks · 05/03/2020 09:08

Op I'm really worried about your update. Your husband is controlling, unpredictable and prone to humiliating you when things don't go his way. His acts of violence and physical intimidation are specifically about power and humiliation (standing over you, the foot to the face - that's very different to a punch, though both are abhorrent)

This is not a safe person to have sole care of your children EOW

You have already talked about the children sidling up to you when they sense his moods, can you imagine the terror they would hold inside if they were staying at his house? On their own they are powerless.

Op you need to move, you need some physical distance for your own safety and only once you are safe, you need to get the courts involved over any contact.

Op I'm a children's social worker. I used to work in child protection and if we'd had a referral (eg a police record re the NYE incident) I'd have arranged a refuge, and if you hadn't taken it and had stayed with him I'd have taken it to a child protection conference and at absolute minimum specified that he must stay elsewhere and that any contact with the children would have to be supervised by a third party. I'd also have notified LADO as your husband is not safe to be working with vulnerable adults.

I don't know you or where you are so I couldn't refer, but please think seriously about what I'm saying. I think you're minimising because this has become so normal to you and because it's too painful to see the reality. But please, please think about what I've said because you and your children are in danger and the steps that you are suggesting are not protecting them.

Threeflyingducks · 05/03/2020 09:15

Oh and I'd just add that as a service we don't fund anger management courses because there's no evidence base that they work for DV.
Anger management could theoretically work for someone who has genuine issues regulating their emotions - eg someone who experiences physiological symptoms more keenly than the next person (this is often the case, say for someone whohas certain types of PD, or who is on the autistic spectrum - though this would be a small element in a wider programme of support)
Your husband does not have any difficulties regulating his emotion or controlling his anger. We know this because he (presumably) keeps his anger in check in public and at work. He chooses when he lets it out because he gets something from seeing you hurt or scared of him. Anger management will not change that. Him going to that course is tokenistic and a waste of time.

Blueuggboots · 05/03/2020 09:39

My mum was married to my dad for 48 years and like your DH, he was great a lot of the time. He had anger outbursts and would then sulk, withdraw affection and not speak....this could go on for weeks.
She left him aged 71. She now lives in a small flat and is incredibly happy and her life is peaceful. A number of health conditions she had have now gone away because she is no longer living with the stress of him either being vile or worrying that she was going to set him off as it was "always her fault". I'm so angry that she put up with it for so long.
FORTY EIGHT YEARS. Don't be my mum.

Blueuggboots · 05/03/2020 09:42

I'm sorry, I am guilty of not RTFT.
Wishing you luck and peace OP. 💐💐💐

Freetodowhatiwant · 08/03/2020 15:23

Thank you @Threeflyingducks that really is something to think about. I don't like to think I am in this level of situation yet but it is very interesting to see how it would have been seen by the professionals - the NYE incident. We are still bumbling along and he is being very well behaved and I really really don't think the kids are in danger. But of course no one wants that to be tested. I will be taking as much care as possible for all of us. For what it's worth he has never physically hurt me before this, 'just' anger. I HAVE sometimes seen him be rough with the children, pick them up that bit too roughly when he has got annoyed with them so that is definitely something that could be worrying. None of this is happening at the moment however.

We hope to be out of the house by the beginning of May but will have to move somewhere all together for a while until we have bought a new property.

OP posts:
Freetodowhatiwant · 08/03/2020 15:24

thank you @Blueuggboots and good on your mum for finally getting away! And yes stories like that do help me stick my ground - I have done 20 years and that has flown by. I don't want to do another 20.

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Quarantino · 02/04/2020 16:49

How's it going @Freetodowhatiwant ? Are you in lockdown with him?

Sleepwhenimalive · 02/04/2020 18:19

Free are you OK? Hoping you in lockdown with your kids and parents?

Freetodowhatiwant · 21/07/2020 13:06

For those of you interested in an update, I am finally out. It took such a long time, what with lockdown etc, but the kids and I are now officially living separately from him. This is a bit revealing if anyone I know might ever read it but what the hell.

The kids and I are now abroad for two months, DH (having just spent a few days with us) is now back in the UK to deal with the final bit of selling the family house (hopefully - lockdown and awful buyers have delayed this by many months) and when we return to the UK it will be to a new town and to a house near DH (or should I say STBXDH) but not together. The kids have been accepted into a great school and I just need to find our own place to live (but we can rent for a while if we need to).

It's been a really tough time. Lockdown together was bittersweet and sometimes absolutely fine (well it was awful as I hated lockdown and am very much a going out person but I mean in terms of getting on). It was basically exactly like our last 20 years together. Most of the time getting on and enjoying each other's company but when he got angry me being subject to a non stop and rather scary verbal onslaught. I remember one time after he went on and on and on...eventually curling up in a ball in the kitchen just wanting him to stop. I wanted to run away from him, hide upstairs in another room, but equally didn't want to leave the kids downstairs without me and they were quietly playing on devices in the living room, hopefully unaware of what was going on.

When he got in those moods he would just pick up on everything; my whole personality, my family, my 'worth ethic', my being 'rubbish with money' etc etc etc. It was awful. But there were many times, including the last few days abroad with us, that we have got on really well. Despite this, however, never once have I wondered if should stay. I will miss him in many many ways but I am looking forward to a life of more freedom without him, including freedom not to live with those up and down moods and the feeling of walking on eggshells.

I reminded myself of this whole thing by reading my first OP and reminding myself how it would be if i hadn't made the move. So, as my nickname says, I am finally now Free.

We have yet to tell the kids but they know we are buying two places in the new town and at the moment think one is for 'daddy's work'. When we get to the new town and separate houses we will find a way of telling them.

Thanks if anyone is still interested in the update!

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Interestedwoman · 21/07/2020 13:29

Glad things are moving forward. Well done. Flowers

FoxandFish · 21/07/2020 22:59

That's great update! Good luck!Flowers

Spinakker · 22/07/2020 07:41

That's great news, here's to a new start for you x

DownUdderer · 22/07/2020 07:47

I'm happy to read your update. I'm sorry he was awful to you during lockdown, it just sounded awful :(

hellsbellsmelons · 22/07/2020 08:05

Well done OP.
So glad you are getting yourself and your DC free from this awful environment.
Have a relaxing time abroad and then back to your new life.
Abuse free!!!

fluffygreenmonsterhoody · 22/07/2020 08:11

Congratulations OP. Flowers

Shoxfordian · 22/07/2020 08:40

Great update Flowers
Congratulations on your new much happier life

AnotherEmma · 22/07/2020 08:48

Thank god you are finally separated from that abusive piece of shit. Well done.

I wish you peace and healing. You might find the freedom programme helpful, perhaps.

Flowers