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Demise of marriage? Feelings turned by one conversation!

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Freetodowhatiwant · 15/08/2019 13:37

I don’t really know where to start. I have been with DH for almost 20 years and married for almost 10. We had a lot of fun for the 10 years prior to getting married – travelling and plenty of going out. I’ve been with him since age 25 and am now 45. He is 11 years older but this isn’t an issue, he’s very youthful in many ways. We have two children aged 7 and 4.

Our relationship has many positive aspects – when we have time to hang around together we laugh and share the similar interests. There are no significant domestic issues in terms of housework and cooking. He used to do much more than me pre-kids and now I do probably more as I am at home more (work from home). The house is a bit of a mess but this is because of the kids and we both try our best so that’s not a huge issue even though there is the occasional argument about this I think it's normal.

To my friends who’ve moaned about their partners for other reasons (two have DHs who don’t do anything around the house) I have always said that mine and DH’s relationship is 80% good, not perfect but enough to keep us together.

Herein lies the problem though. The 20% bad has been his anger issues. He had had them from the beginning. Most of the males in his family had the same issues. He often gets angry for no reason. Getting ready in the morning is a particular issue. He will shout and stomp around and if the anger is directed at me can sometimes seriously intimidate me. He has never hit me but he has loomed over me many times and his face and body are terrifying. He’s 6ft and I’m 5.5ft so he has a height and physical presence that can scare me. There have been times this has happened in front of the children and the children and I have all been hugging and waiting until it passes. He’s a mental health professional (I know) so there are times when he has been able to keep this under control for a while (taking St John’s Wort helps) but there have been many times when he is angry and I feel like I am treading on egg shells. Sometimes this has been on a daily basis, particularly for a few hours in the morning, and has ruined a good part of the day. He is always sorry afterwards and he knows he is out of order. I am not perfect of course, but I am just focusing on DH’s anger issues. I am by nature, I think, quite a happy person but when he has one of these angry episodes it really plunges my mood.

Here’s the weirdest thing. In January he had two angry mornings in a row, nothing out of the ordinary, and on the second morning something just clicked inside me and I suddenly thought ‘I cant do this for the rest of my life’. My mood plunged and I entered a low depression from which I didn’t emerge for a couple of months and to be honest it is still bubbling under the surface and although I am carrying on with life as normal I am still quite emotional. This is very very unusual for me as I usually brush things off but it was like all the angry episodes over the 19 years we had been together just built up into one homogenous mass that has eaten away at me.

Whilst I have been thinking about an alternative future it has also given me feelings - unrelated to his anger issues - about whether I want to be with him for another 20+ years. It now just all feels like an awful long time. I have told him all this and we have had a couple of conversations about our future. The thing is since telling him how my feelings have changed for him he has kept an incredibly good check on his moods, not perfect but I am not saying I am either. But my low feelings and doubt about whether I can be with him for the rest of my life haven’t changed though and I find myself trawling the boards here trying to find some solution, researching divorce, researching people who have stayed together and not really knowing wtf to do.

It’s like I am in a quiet crisis, carrying on with day to day activities and life. We are abroad for the summer and he has gone back to the UK to work for a couple of weeks and I haven’t really yet missed him. This upsets me because like I said the 80% that was good meant we had fun together. We are lucky enough to have family to babysit and we can often go out. But the fact is I can’t seem to get over the build up of angry moods and a huge part of me feels the pull of freedom seems more and more attractive. I have emotionally checked out of the relationship and I don't know how to get back or if I want to. I can tell he knows this and he is trying his best but it isn’t making a difference at the moment. The thought however of tearing our family apart is also terrifying. I just don’t know what to do.

If you have got this far, well done! Any thoughts would be amazing.

OP posts:
lisag1969 · 10/01/2020 05:53

You need to stand up to him. You need to shock. Him when he does it again scream and him if you do this again you can Fuck off and don't come back and mean it. X

sofato5miles · 10/01/2020 06:25

Awful advice, to antagonize a violent man with a temper.

Shoxfordian · 10/01/2020 06:32

Are you still living in the same house? You need to be in one of the other properties asap without him. Call the police in the uk for advice, call women's aid.

You're in danger of violence whenever you're with him. All the time. Take it seriously, don't minimise it. He will do it again, or worse.

3luckystars · 10/01/2020 06:52

I just wanted to wish you well. Get support for yourself. Stay safe as things may escalate. My sister calls it 'the sting of the dying wasp'.
Good luck.

SummerWhisper · 10/01/2020 09:11

Your ratio is all wrong, judging by what you have said. His anger is most days and has a big impact every day for a few hours. That is not 80%. That is you coping / minimising for 80% of the time. This is why you can't see how bad and dangerous your situation is.

He is not managing his anger (abuse), he is hiding it. That suppression is what led to his violence. There will be more violence.

Your children are likely damaged already. Imagine them going no contact with you as adults. Get out now and stop facilitating this violent bastard's behaviour by giving him false marks out of ten.

FGSJoanWhatsWrongWithYou · 10/01/2020 09:41

Sounds like you want to leave in a slow controlled calm manner to reduce the impact on the children.

Perhaps look at the benefit to the children another way.

He will one day turn his violence onto them. I know you think he won't but you thought that about yourself didn't you? Even if he continues to "only" hurt them emotionally and scare them, damage continues to be done.

Do not underestimate the benefit to your children of being able to talk about it when he turns on them and for them to be believed.

It helps tremendously if they can say to people "I know my dad seems normal to you but actually he is so dangerous my mum had to sneak us out to a secret house after he finally beat her up following years of emotional abuse."

People still try to push me to be close to my mother, even engineering meetings. The lack of any external evidence for her abuse makes it easier for people to believe that it wasn't that bad, maybe a bit of facilitation by sensible people can get us falling into each other's arms with joy as the misunderstandings are overcome. Of course, there is always the underlying feeling that all parent's love their children so if the child is nervous of the parent then this can be resolved by spending more time together, talking it out, the child being less of a dick. All of this was so so damaging to me as a child and an adult. I wish some external action had been taken earlier like my dad moving out and taking us. Then everyone would have taken it seriously. I could have dealt with the aftermath more easily because without me explaining any detail the simple statement that we had to get out quick makes people realise it was abuse not normal family friction.

My friend's mum made a statement exit from their alcoholic dad. He was bad. Less bad than my situation though. My friend got better support than me because her situation was seen as genuine because of her mum's correct actions to protect them.

My dad's approach of keeping up appearances and minimising the effect on the children meant I had little support from the wider community. Even now in middle-age if it comes up that I don't get along with my mum and I allude to abusive behaviour they gently ask about police, social services, how we escaped etc and when they know there was none of that I can see they don't really believe it was actually bad.

A dramatic exit helps your children. Especially after loads of people seeing your black eye. They'll get more understanding and support without having to explain loads to "prove" they are reasonable to be cowed by their father and worried for their mother's well-being.

FGSJoanWhatsWrongWithYou · 10/01/2020 09:45

Rogue apostrophe. Argh. All parents love not All parent's love

saraclara · 10/01/2020 10:02

How can you not see how this is damaging your children EVERY SINGLE DAY.
And why isn't your mum telling you to get out of this marriage NOW?

I can't believe that you're letting your going children go through this anxiety and fear.

Your husband can't control himself. Your children know that. They are small, they are vulnerable, they are impressionable and they are scared.

saraclara · 10/01/2020 10:03

Going= young

Lozzerbmc · 10/01/2020 16:32

How are you OP? You have been on my mind. I think you are in grave danger.

Did you ever imagine your face would be under his shoe one day and you’d get a black eye? No. So you do not know what he is capable of.

Please leave this man now!

ChewChewIsMySpiritAnimal · 10/01/2020 17:37

"I don't THINK I am in any immediate danger with him but of course I do realise that it's hard to ever know this for sure."

He's really done a number on you. Even after he stamped on your head, you said that.

FGSJoanWhatsWrongWithYou · 10/01/2020 19:18

You OK @Freetodowhatiwant? Your head must be spinning trying to undo 20 years of habit.

oatmilk4breakfast · 11/01/2020 07:36

Hope you’re ok, Free

oatmilk4breakfast · 17/01/2020 07:32

Just wanted to say I was thinking of you OP, hope you are safe.

CyclingMumKingston · 17/01/2020 11:28

Hope you are ok 🌷💐

SoTiredTonight · 22/01/2020 23:47

@Freetodowhatiwant Are you ok? Could you please let us know that you’re safe? x

Freetodowhatiwant · 24/01/2020 19:01

Hi, I am so sorry I haven't checked in and it's lovely to know people care about my wellbeing.

Everything is as okay as it can be. DH and I are still under the same roof and he is being on perfect behaviour. He has started specialist anger management counselling. He is aware that I am still pressing ahead with the separation and our house has gone on the market. We are discussing options with finances and tbh he is very broken over this. I have occasionally wavered but I keep remembering what has been said about it happening again.

He asked what could he do to reassure me it will never ever happen again and I've said there is nothing he can do - the only way we would know is if I stay with him and we get to the end of our lives and it hasn't ever happened again. I don't think even HE can guarantee it wouldn't happen again even though he is convinced of it himself. Also his general anger over the years had worn me down and that was BEFORE the terrifying incident on NYE.

So we are bumbling along, I am sleeping in the kids room and we are having conversations about what professional we should see next - solicitor, financial advisor etc with the view to moving town (as we were initially planning to do together anyway) but instead moving separately to two homes instead of one as soon as the main house is sold. We are lucky to have two places to sell (family house and also a flat from pre-kids, both mortgaged but with some equity) and with a mortgage each could just about afford a decent enough place each.

I know most of you think I should get out of here straight away but I really really need this to be done as amicably as possible. The eldest has had some physical health issues that have led to him worrying about toilet trouble and has missed some time at school and I don't want him to get anxious. Everything in the house is calm and fine and the kids have no idea what is going on. My parents are here every day and are supportive in what I want to do and I have now told a couple of friends so I am not on my own with this.

It feels very strange to have the house on the market, viewings start this week. It should be an exciting time for us moving but it's tinged with the sadness that we will be instead separating. However I am trying to be positive and look forward.

Thanks so much for all the help and advice, it has really helped, I will definitely be back to update when there is something to update.

OP posts:
AnneKipanki · 24/01/2020 19:06

Wishing you all the best !

oatmilk4breakfast · 24/01/2020 19:11

Wow, thanks for updating. I think you’re brave, in lots of ways. And strong. Stay strong as you are doing that this is the right thing to do. Best of luck!

SoTiredTonight · 24/01/2020 19:49

Oh @Freetodowhatiwant, thank you so much for coming back to update, I’m really glad to hear that everything is ok. Well, as ok as it could be. Of course it is all really sad but it sounds as though you are dealing with it all so well. Really good to hear that your parents are supportive, and I hope that things stay so amicable for you. Yes, do please pop on and update, I wish you all the very best! Flowers

Lightlyfebreezed · 24/01/2020 19:52

Glad to hear you're leaving him. After he ground his shoe into your face, you'd be utterly mad to stay

IdblowJonSnow · 24/01/2020 20:01

Bollocks to the 'willing and able yo change' he can control himself obviously but has chosen not to.
Your feelings for him have eroded over the years and that is down to him.
Maybe you could salvage it thru counselling but it doesn't sound like you want to. And I certainly wouldn't blame you.
Then of course theres the kids. They shouldn't have to watch daddy kicking off in the mornings because he feels like it.

IdblowJonSnow · 24/01/2020 20:05

Sorry, I missed all the updates.
Stay safe. Flowers

Mix56 · 24/01/2020 20:40

Surely the crux is, when something sets him off, he can't stop. (He knew cutting his hand wasn't your fault)
Next time when he pushes you & you hit your head on a radiator, or fall down the stairs could be the last time he injures you. Because you may never get up again
Its not you splitting up the family. It is him

Dragongirl10 · 24/01/2020 22:18

Op l feel like you are missing the point a bit, since you have told him you’re unhappy he has stopped this behaviour....
Just think about that for a while...
It is in his power to not scare you and the dcs........ therefore it is a CHOICE.

ask her yourself what type of man chooses to be so angry he frightens his own family, he is abusive. He is a bully.

If you get scared how terrified must your dcs be?
There will be long lasting effects from that.

Don’t feel sorry for him, let the scales drop.