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Demise of marriage? Feelings turned by one conversation!

289 replies

Freetodowhatiwant · 15/08/2019 13:37

I don’t really know where to start. I have been with DH for almost 20 years and married for almost 10. We had a lot of fun for the 10 years prior to getting married – travelling and plenty of going out. I’ve been with him since age 25 and am now 45. He is 11 years older but this isn’t an issue, he’s very youthful in many ways. We have two children aged 7 and 4.

Our relationship has many positive aspects – when we have time to hang around together we laugh and share the similar interests. There are no significant domestic issues in terms of housework and cooking. He used to do much more than me pre-kids and now I do probably more as I am at home more (work from home). The house is a bit of a mess but this is because of the kids and we both try our best so that’s not a huge issue even though there is the occasional argument about this I think it's normal.

To my friends who’ve moaned about their partners for other reasons (two have DHs who don’t do anything around the house) I have always said that mine and DH’s relationship is 80% good, not perfect but enough to keep us together.

Herein lies the problem though. The 20% bad has been his anger issues. He had had them from the beginning. Most of the males in his family had the same issues. He often gets angry for no reason. Getting ready in the morning is a particular issue. He will shout and stomp around and if the anger is directed at me can sometimes seriously intimidate me. He has never hit me but he has loomed over me many times and his face and body are terrifying. He’s 6ft and I’m 5.5ft so he has a height and physical presence that can scare me. There have been times this has happened in front of the children and the children and I have all been hugging and waiting until it passes. He’s a mental health professional (I know) so there are times when he has been able to keep this under control for a while (taking St John’s Wort helps) but there have been many times when he is angry and I feel like I am treading on egg shells. Sometimes this has been on a daily basis, particularly for a few hours in the morning, and has ruined a good part of the day. He is always sorry afterwards and he knows he is out of order. I am not perfect of course, but I am just focusing on DH’s anger issues. I am by nature, I think, quite a happy person but when he has one of these angry episodes it really plunges my mood.

Here’s the weirdest thing. In January he had two angry mornings in a row, nothing out of the ordinary, and on the second morning something just clicked inside me and I suddenly thought ‘I cant do this for the rest of my life’. My mood plunged and I entered a low depression from which I didn’t emerge for a couple of months and to be honest it is still bubbling under the surface and although I am carrying on with life as normal I am still quite emotional. This is very very unusual for me as I usually brush things off but it was like all the angry episodes over the 19 years we had been together just built up into one homogenous mass that has eaten away at me.

Whilst I have been thinking about an alternative future it has also given me feelings - unrelated to his anger issues - about whether I want to be with him for another 20+ years. It now just all feels like an awful long time. I have told him all this and we have had a couple of conversations about our future. The thing is since telling him how my feelings have changed for him he has kept an incredibly good check on his moods, not perfect but I am not saying I am either. But my low feelings and doubt about whether I can be with him for the rest of my life haven’t changed though and I find myself trawling the boards here trying to find some solution, researching divorce, researching people who have stayed together and not really knowing wtf to do.

It’s like I am in a quiet crisis, carrying on with day to day activities and life. We are abroad for the summer and he has gone back to the UK to work for a couple of weeks and I haven’t really yet missed him. This upsets me because like I said the 80% that was good meant we had fun together. We are lucky enough to have family to babysit and we can often go out. But the fact is I can’t seem to get over the build up of angry moods and a huge part of me feels the pull of freedom seems more and more attractive. I have emotionally checked out of the relationship and I don't know how to get back or if I want to. I can tell he knows this and he is trying his best but it isn’t making a difference at the moment. The thought however of tearing our family apart is also terrifying. I just don’t know what to do.

If you have got this far, well done! Any thoughts would be amazing.

OP posts:
DownTownAbbey · 08/01/2020 21:28

Devastated? My arse.

AlexanderHalexander · 08/01/2020 21:29

Also, to put a positive spin on things:

think of how amazing it will feel when it's done and you have your own little house, with your children, no one being angry, no walking on eggshells.

Freedom.

SexIsAProtectedCharacteristic · 08/01/2020 21:30

He could have killed you OP.

I know you'll be thinking no, it wasn't that bad, but it was, it really was.

Please get him away from your children.

FGSJoanWhatsWrongWithYou · 08/01/2020 21:43

Where's your head at now @Freetodowhatiwant ?

Is your username your hope for the future?

ChewChewIsMySpiritAnimal · 08/01/2020 21:51

Fuck me, he could have fucking killed you. He's a dangerous abuser, and it sounds like he always has been. Thank God your mum was there that night, or it could have been your tiny children coming in and finding you. You, your mum and your children were so frightened of this "good and decent man" that you had to lock yourselves in a bedroom to keep yourselves safe.

You must leave him. He bore you to the ground and stamped on your head. He's thrown things at you while you cower in a corner. He abuses you in front of your children. How long until he starts hitting them for getting in his way in the morning. He's a fucking tyrant. What else does he need to do to you until you wake up and see what you're dealing with here?

It's not too late to report him to the police.

He could have killed you. He might do next time. Then who will protect your babies?

gettingfedupagain · 08/01/2020 21:58

Everything that @FGSJoanWhatsWrongWithYou said

bigchris · 08/01/2020 22:10

I don't know how you are keeping going

I really hope this isn't a case of history repeating yourself because why on earth didn't your mother phone the police

Imagine that happening to one of your kids and not phoning the police and then watching your daughter go out on the town together
She must be a bag of nerves

StateOfMind · 08/01/2020 22:12

I’m sorry this happened to you. As a PP said you are calm because you are traumatised and haven’t processed the assault yet.

You must leave. Your children won’t thank you for growing up in a household where they are continually walking on eggshells. And you deserve far better than a man who frightens you and hurts you.

pallisers · 08/01/2020 22:13

Jesus christ that was a very serious assault. What will he do to your head with his foot the next time??? I'm amazed your mum didn't call the police.

Moreover I am thinking about what it would do to the kids (7 and 5) to break up the family and I feel awful

tell you what it will do to them. It will reduce the chances of them either marrying a dangerous abuser or becoming a dangerous abuser.

Would you let your children live with any other person who did this to you?

he is escalating - I imagine the strain of having to restrain himself around you for a few months created a pressure cooker. I can't believe he has the fucking temerity to think you should still stay with him after he injured your eye-socket? OP go and see someone and talk to them because you are locked in a swirl of denial and shock about what happened on nye. He could have killed you - he wasn't in control. What if he had kicked your head instead of standing on it? This happens to women every day of the week - their husbands murder them. it could have been you.

Antihop · 08/01/2020 22:19

Fucking hell op. You need to get you and your kids away from him fast.

Thickums · 08/01/2020 22:20

Why is everyone missing a vital point?!

Her mother witnessed this?!

OP you may believe that you've had a great and healthy upbringing by your parents but this proves you HAVE NOT. This is what has skewed your perception of your marriage for so long.

If my mum witnessed ANYONE standing on my face she would ring the police and create absolute hell. Theres no way on earth shed be offering up any bloody babysitting so i could then go out on dates with him?!

She would literally have dialled 999 with or without my permission. Then when arrested she'd tell him what for!! Shed then insist i never let him back in the house and if i were to go against her wishes shed take any dependants (kids) to hers for a place of safety and hound me until i left him to ensure i was safe from harm.

She'd rather lay down her life than watch any of her children come to harm.

Its not just a bicker or heated discussion or a few angry words. He attacked you, stood on your face and gave you a black eye.

The fact your own mother hasn't created hell at what she witnessed and become sick with worry shows that your upbringing and understanding of healthy positive relationships has been completey skewed from a young age.

You may believe your kids areny impacted but you also believe you have great/emotionally healthy parents. Do not repeat the cycle for your kids. GET OUT!!!

Please stay safe OP. Xx

Ihavehadenoughalready · 08/01/2020 22:23

You need to report him and you need to leave. Do you want your children around somebody who Thinks it's OK to assault you?

Your LIFE was in danger.

Shame on your mother for not calling the police on your behalf, did I miss why she did not do so?

There's no way that man should be counseling people, there's no way that man should have custody of children, there's no way that man deserves your sympathy.

Enough!

He's massively broken his vows to you and he does not get any more chances.

You're way too calm about thinking about how to divide your properties and money when you should be finding immediately a new place to live and have no contact with him for yours and your children's own safety.

I'm assuming you have found an atty?

Omg I'm scared just thinking about your situation! He wanted to hurt you very badly and was LUCKY he didn't do more damage.

L.T.B. X1000

Ihavehadenoughalready · 08/01/2020 22:25

What @Thickums said, too.

TokyoSushi · 08/01/2020 22:41

Oh OP, what a heartbreaking update.

You really, really must leave this man, he will never change, you sound like a wonderful person and deserve so much better Flowers

itchytits123 · 08/01/2020 23:19

Apologies I have not read all of the comments so please forgive me if somebody else has picked up on this.

It sounds as though you are living in an abuse cycle, where tension builds up, then the abuser lashes out and discharges the tension, before the cycle begins all over again.

At the moment he is keeping a lid on it but it will be all the worse when he finally blows again, which you know he will.

The cycle gets shorter and shorter eventually until you're practically living in fear. Now that you are past the point of return in terms of your tolerance you may find things intensify.

Be strong. When you can see through it, and the intermittent reinforcement of love and hate, it's much easier to find your courage.

Good luck and God bless.

pallisers · 08/01/2020 23:33

If my mum witnessed ANYONE standing on my face she would ring the police and create absolute hell.

I agree with this and said similar in my own post. It is downright weird that your mother cowered in a bedroom with her injured daughter and DIDN'T call the police. II suspect there is a fair bit going on that led you to stay with this man, OP.

Please talk to someone in real life and get some support to get out of this. I think you are in an incredibly dangerous situation. You are way beyond him looming over you now. He has injured you in front of your mother and suffered no repercussions - you haven't even talked to him about it. Why would he not do worse next time?

pallisers · 08/01/2020 23:37

I DO want to separate, I really think I do, but he is being so wonderful and so wants it to work and it's the very big deal of breaking up the family and what that will cost everyone emotionally, financially, practically and more.

OP I understand that he has done a number on you over the many years but you have to realise that he is physically dangerous to you. He could kill you. He could maim you. And your children are growing up in a house where their mum feels the need to barricade herself into a bedroom after a night out with their father. That is all sorts of fucked up. Please talk to someone in real life (not your mother - I still cannot believe she hasn't reported him) but a real normal person who will help you do what you need to do.

I can't say it enough. He is dangerous to you - not nasty, not abusive, not mean but physically dangerous and an imminent threat. think of your kids.

LotteLupin · 08/01/2020 23:56

I think you're scared to separate.

You told him before Xmas you didn't want him.
He tried to persuade you but you stood fast.
So then he stood on your face.
And now you're finding him wonderful.

You are scared to leave because when you insisted on it, he terrified you and made you fear for your life.

Mental health worker? Just mental.

Go to victim support. See what they say.

Windmillwhirl · 09/01/2020 00:00

Abusers often shy away from counselling because they don't want a spotlight on their behaviour.

I personally would not waste my life on someone that intimidates me. Walking on eggshells means you can never really let your guard down and relax. I'm not surprised you suffered with depression.

I'd suggest personal counselling for yourself.

Closetbeanmuncher · 09/01/2020 00:00

I DO want to separate, I really think I do, but he is being so wonderful and so wants it to work

Standing on your face is hardly the actions of someone wonderful who wants it to work...come on now OP.

You are not responsible for his piss poor behaviour or its concequences.

Things are escalating right under your nose but you're minimising it all. How many times has he assaulted you now??

AutumnCrow · 09/01/2020 00:11

@pallisers and @Thickums make really good points about your mother's part in the ongoing narrative, OP.

BoredOfTheBoard · 09/01/2020 00:29

Haven't RTFT but you say its just 20% of the time that its.bad. You are probably on edge 100% of the time, even when he's not tantrumming.

I think when you are finally away from him for a while, you will see much more clearly how bad.it is

SoTiredTonight · 09/01/2020 00:36

What @itchytits123 said. Trauma bonding. You’re not thinking rationally. He’s screwed with your head.

BoredOfTheBoard · 09/01/2020 00:38

Shit. Just read your update. You need to report to police and get out fairly urgently. You are not breaking up the family. You are saving your own/your children's lives. The family is already broken. Please protect yourself

skatesbythesea · 09/01/2020 00:40

Op the only thing I wanted to add to thread apart from an unmumsnetty hug is 'natural consequences'. He started a course of action and these are the natural consequences, if that helps make it any easier for you Flowers