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Family betrayal?

159 replies

MamaBearfor3 · 08/08/2019 22:48

This is my first time on this forum and I am on here purely for support and honest answers from other mums etc on a very distressing subject 😔 I am going to keep this as concise as possible and free from my/my family's personal views and negative feelings as possible, giving just the ones that matter.
I have a wonderful husband and 3 beautiful girls.
In 2011 we found out my husband's uncle/godfather (his mum's brother, I'll refer to him as K later) had sexually abused at least 2 of our girls. We took him to court, he was found guilty, sentenced to 10 months imprisonment, served only 3. The family ostracized him bar one member who is mentally challenged and doesn't comprehend what he did and is easily manipulated.
Turned out this was a family trend so the other brother and father were also ostracized by my husband's immediate family. My MIL chose to not attend their funerals but met K at a niece's funeral.
After this his name came up frequently so my hubby asked her outright if she was speaking to him. The answer was yes and she'd continue to. He said he was angry but she probably couldn't be stopped and she said she understood but wouldn't be.
Our girls were quiet (now 18,14 and 12) but when we got home they were crying, hurt, angry and felt betrayed. I was in the same boat but couldn't get past the numb shock that had set in at her revelation.
The girls said they didn't want to visit Granny anymore. We completely understood. Hubby eventually messaged her and told her how upset her granddaughters were and she said it wasn't her intention. No apology, message, text or call to any one of the girls.
A week passes and hubby gets a message from his elder bro asking what's going on. He calls his bro and is shocked his mum has told him we're using the girls to punish her for speaking to K. My husband blew up! She was telling lies! The girls made their choice. His bro asked how long can you punish him and hubby said my girls deal with this every day, it doesn't go away, put yourself in our shoes. If it were your kids what would you do? Answer...he'd be dead already.
Then he calls his mum. It was lengthy but her points are...
...how long can you punish him?
...I lost time with my other brother and dad but K is dying (from Parkinson's!!! Eh NO!), he's my bro and want to be there for him
...he's been in their house 3 times since the funeral and will be again (!!!)
...the girls have to move on from what happened (!!!)
...she doesn't think she should have to chose
...she understands that if she insists on speaking to and seeing K she won't see any of us again (apparently our girls are their favourites)
...his dad/her husband and their grandfather is supporting her choice
...she insists someone out there will completely understand and support her point of view.

We have spoken to people who mainly have some form of familial/emotional relationship with us and our girls but I feel I need to reach out to an 'impartial' and independent group. The full majority consensus so far is to cut them out our lives, the girls emotional and mental wellbeing comes first and we wholeheartedly agree. Our girls will ALWAYS come first! But if you knew my IN LAWS you'd understand why I am ensuring I have asked a neutral party.

So, since her paedophile brother who abused HER grandchildren has been put first, spoken with and entertained under their sayso, are we right to cut them out for the sake of our girls...
...or are we being unreasonable and should let her do what she wants regardless the effect on our girls and us?

Thank you in advance for reading this, apologies for any distress, upset or offense.

I won't lie. I strongly hope the majority back our choice but will read any objective comments.

OP posts:
Kaleela · 11/08/2019 13:31

I'm so sorry this is happening to you and your family 😭 it's rubbish 💜

darkriver19886 · 11/08/2019 13:41

Honestly OP, cut them out. My mum sided with my abuser and it has had a massive impact on me.

MamaBearfor3 · 21/08/2019 21:56

A wee update...

It would seem MIL continues to be 'all about me'. She's playing the victim, telling her other sons we are punishing her boy not allowing her to see her grandchildren, she's had our girls abuser (K) her brother in her house while her other sons are there and telling everyone his lies. He (K) has been telling them my girls were not in court, their stories didn't tally (of course they didn't! He abused each in different ways so their testimonies would differ), there was no evidence and he's not on the sex offenders register. All bull but she's sharing this like my girls are liars.
To add to this she's apparently told her other sons she's suicidal and has considered moving house and not telling anyone where she moves to. We think this is just attention seeking. We met with one of my DH's brothers yesterday who filled us in on all this but hoped we'd be able to make amends since it's their mum.

Due to the fact she'd lived to yet another son about events plus the news she was belittling the court case my DH text his mother. He's had no response and we also found out after being blocked she deactivated her and his dad's fb profiles and created new private ones but thankfully ours are fully private too. For someone suicidal she's making a lot of steps to become unapproachable but she wants us to do the chasing. My DH said it's just affirmed for him it's the right choice but he doesn't want his relationship with his brothers ruined because of her.

The fact she is behaving like this proves her narcissistic nature and how she must be the one pitied. There will be a wedding in the future where we will see them. We will be civil but make no other effort. We would in no way ruin his brother's wedding day. My DH is best man and our eldest a bridesmaid.

I never thought a mother would put herself before her son and his children Sad

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Jaffacakesaremyfave · 21/08/2019 22:52

I'm so so sorry your family are having to go through this. It really is heartbreaking.

You are right, your MIL is a full blown, batshit crazy narcissist! She is using every single emotional abuse tactic on you in the narcissist manual. It may help you to look into narcissistic abuse tactics as it really explains her motives behind everything, which is complete control.

She is playing the victim by threatening to commit suicide. Its very rare that these people ever follow through (it's another control tactic) and even if she DID, it wouldnt be your fault. You cannot control someone else's behaviour and you have no control over what she chooses to do. What you do have control over is your response to it which is that you should go no contact.

This woman lacks complete empathy for anyone and quite frankly doesnt give a shit about anyone other than what they can do for her or if they make her look good. She is likely deeply messed up herself because of her own abuse and that has manifested as narcissism. These people cannot change which is why it is so important to cut them out and anyone who sides with them (their flying monkeys) because those people are used to control and abuse you by proxy by the narcissist.

AcrossthePond55 · 22/08/2019 01:00

That woman needs a backhanded slap in the mouth. Vicious, vicious, VICIOUS!!!

As far as your husband's siblings, all you and he can do is refuse to discuss MiL. If they bring her up, you say "XXX, we are NOT going to discuss MiL. We don't want to know what she's doing or what she's saying unless you believe she is going to make some attempt to contact us or she has made threats". She really needs to be dead to you.

How are you going to keep her (or K if he's going) away from you at this wedding? Narcs often use public occasions to accost their victims because they know their victims (being decent people) won't want to make a 'scene'. You need to have a plan of action. Will there be people there you can 'deputize' to run interference if they see her walk up to you? Or God forbid, your DDs? Someone who can 'stick like glue' to you whilst your DH is doing his best man duties?

ShippingNews · 22/08/2019 01:29

I'm a grandmother. If my brother molested my grandchildren I'd kill him.

Go no contact - she has made her choice and you should make yours. Remove your children from her and this horrible family.

pumkinspicetime · 22/08/2019 01:45

Child sexual abuse is the norm in MIL's family. She's been groomed, conditioned and abused. Paedophile practice has been normalised for her. You can't change her but you can protect your family.
This post stood out for me. I'm glad you have been able to move forward with protecting your family.

MamaBearfor3 · 22/08/2019 11:51

@AcrossthePond55...thankfully my BIL will not under any circumstances tolerate K being there. That is an absolute NO NO!

As for running interference, I am going to have to hold my own.

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AcrossthePond55 · 22/08/2019 16:06

I'm glad about that @MamaBearfor3 ! It amazes me the number of family members who will tolerate shit (and shitheads) for the sake of 'not upsetting ' or 'family unity'!

Wish I could be there to run interference for you. I'm really good at it!!! Unfortunately, I'm a wee bit too far to be of help.Grin

Hopefully, there will be another person there who feels the same as you and the two of you can be each other's backup.

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