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Family betrayal?

159 replies

MamaBearfor3 · 08/08/2019 22:48

This is my first time on this forum and I am on here purely for support and honest answers from other mums etc on a very distressing subject 😔 I am going to keep this as concise as possible and free from my/my family's personal views and negative feelings as possible, giving just the ones that matter.
I have a wonderful husband and 3 beautiful girls.
In 2011 we found out my husband's uncle/godfather (his mum's brother, I'll refer to him as K later) had sexually abused at least 2 of our girls. We took him to court, he was found guilty, sentenced to 10 months imprisonment, served only 3. The family ostracized him bar one member who is mentally challenged and doesn't comprehend what he did and is easily manipulated.
Turned out this was a family trend so the other brother and father were also ostracized by my husband's immediate family. My MIL chose to not attend their funerals but met K at a niece's funeral.
After this his name came up frequently so my hubby asked her outright if she was speaking to him. The answer was yes and she'd continue to. He said he was angry but she probably couldn't be stopped and she said she understood but wouldn't be.
Our girls were quiet (now 18,14 and 12) but when we got home they were crying, hurt, angry and felt betrayed. I was in the same boat but couldn't get past the numb shock that had set in at her revelation.
The girls said they didn't want to visit Granny anymore. We completely understood. Hubby eventually messaged her and told her how upset her granddaughters were and she said it wasn't her intention. No apology, message, text or call to any one of the girls.
A week passes and hubby gets a message from his elder bro asking what's going on. He calls his bro and is shocked his mum has told him we're using the girls to punish her for speaking to K. My husband blew up! She was telling lies! The girls made their choice. His bro asked how long can you punish him and hubby said my girls deal with this every day, it doesn't go away, put yourself in our shoes. If it were your kids what would you do? Answer...he'd be dead already.
Then he calls his mum. It was lengthy but her points are...
...how long can you punish him?
...I lost time with my other brother and dad but K is dying (from Parkinson's!!! Eh NO!), he's my bro and want to be there for him
...he's been in their house 3 times since the funeral and will be again (!!!)
...the girls have to move on from what happened (!!!)
...she doesn't think she should have to chose
...she understands that if she insists on speaking to and seeing K she won't see any of us again (apparently our girls are their favourites)
...his dad/her husband and their grandfather is supporting her choice
...she insists someone out there will completely understand and support her point of view.

We have spoken to people who mainly have some form of familial/emotional relationship with us and our girls but I feel I need to reach out to an 'impartial' and independent group. The full majority consensus so far is to cut them out our lives, the girls emotional and mental wellbeing comes first and we wholeheartedly agree. Our girls will ALWAYS come first! But if you knew my IN LAWS you'd understand why I am ensuring I have asked a neutral party.

So, since her paedophile brother who abused HER grandchildren has been put first, spoken with and entertained under their sayso, are we right to cut them out for the sake of our girls...
...or are we being unreasonable and should let her do what she wants regardless the effect on our girls and us?

Thank you in advance for reading this, apologies for any distress, upset or offense.

I won't lie. I strongly hope the majority back our choice but will read any objective comments.

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MamaBearfor3 · 09/08/2019 06:01

@Ilady... just want to clarify it's my MIL's brother who is the abuser. Her eldest son was agreeing with her choice to see and speak to him, although I'm hoping after some perspective from my husband he's reconsidered.

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inbetweenforever · 09/08/2019 06:10

You don't need to keep an eye on social media this woman will never change so why drag it out? Block her on every platform and do the same with your girls accounts and more importantly block her number on everyone's phones.

I'm sorry your girls went through this, cut the witch and her supporters out now!

notmytrueidentity · 09/08/2019 06:29

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Thegracefuloctopus · 09/08/2019 06:43

Sounds like K is very manipulative and persuasive. No one in their right mind would welcome him back in with open arms. You and definitely not being unreasonable and I respect you for what you're doing. There's no guide to shit like this but it sounds like you're putting the right people first. Please get you girls and maybe you and your dh too some counselling on this. I think you would all benefit more that you realise from it.

Bubbletrouble43 · 09/08/2019 07:02

Cut her out. It's the right thing to do. Fwiw I have a close friend whose childhood abuse was minimised by some family members and she was forced to accept his presence in the family and she says the emotional distress from that was as damaging as the abuse. You are completely correct and sound like you take good care of your girls. Love to you all xx

Windygate · 09/08/2019 07:02

Child sexual abuse is the norm in MIL's family. She's been groomed, conditioned and abused. Paedophile practice has been normalised for her. You can't change her but you can protect your family.
Going completely NC permanently is essential even if that means DH's DBs have to be excluded as well.

DH might want to consider reporting the abuse he suffered. Like other posters I very much doubt he was the only brother molested.

Grisgristhecat · 09/08/2019 07:12

Two in my extended ILs family were abused/raped by their uncle as children.

It came to light many years later. No one has any contact with the uncle now, as it should be.

AllStar14 · 09/08/2019 07:15

You and your DH sound like amazing parents. Keeping your dc away from your mil is the only option. I was abused by an uncle, very few family members believed me and even one of those that did thought I should be over it saying "it's all in the past" that hurt more than anything. My feelings about it were completely dismissed.

Take care of your dds.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 09/08/2019 07:52

So many awful stories - notmytrueidentity - that's utterly heartbreaking.

MamaBear3 - hopefully these answers have confirmed that your responses to this have been spot on. The suggestion about going back to the police is a good one. As is the advice to remove MIL and anyone else from all your family's social media. As a parent you are teaching your children that this is how to protect yourself - that you don't have to stay in touch with anyone who supports an abuser. Abuse happens because children are groomed into feeling that they can't tell on someone they or their parents like. It will be a powerful message for them - and a strong message to MIL about the appalling choices that she has made - especially as she's using social media to deliberately taunt you all.

thepinkp · 09/08/2019 07:59

Absolutely 100%!! I'd be furious at the thought that someone would say get over it / move on.. I very much doubt your poor daughters will ever forget. I'd go for NO contact whatsoever. You are rightly standing by your girls, anyone who can't see that isn't worth knowing quite frankly.

marvellousnightforamooncup · 09/08/2019 08:06

Everything you do should have the wellbeing of your girls at the forefront. Absolutely cut her out or what message are you giving your children? You're right to be angry.

MamaBearfor3 · 09/08/2019 08:10

@AllStar14...thank you so much! We are by no means perfect and get it wrong but we try very hard to raise them right and do right by them. I'm so sorry for your own personal experience and it really does hurt to hear someone say 'move on' or 'get over it' etc.

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AgentJohnson · 09/08/2019 09:15

Do not underestimate the toxicity of denial, co-dependency etc. As I fathomable as your MIL’s is, there’s a good chance that she is probably a product of a historical family cycle of sexual abuse.

Definitely cut her out because the cycle must be broken and your girls prioritised.

Pinkmonkeybird · 09/08/2019 09:30

I feel for you and your DD's so much, along with others on here who have been abused. Yes, absolutely you have every right to cut MIL out of your life. End of.

Ogham · 09/08/2019 11:08

I’m so sorry OP and all the posters that have suffered from abuse. It is incomprehensible to think of whole families being so messed up that they can turn a blind eye and even facilitate this behavior.

Can I just ask @MamaBearfor3 from your posts it’s my understanding that K abused your husband (I’m not trying to be insensitive, I just want to understand/ be clear) and if so how come he let his kids play at K’s house?

You are absolutely right to cut out MIL - I would also be tempted to move house/ area/country and have a fresh start. Flowers

justilou1 · 09/08/2019 12:03

I'm so furious on your DDs behalf I'm about to suggest that you forget cutting MIL out and think about cutting her UP.

MamaBearfor3 · 09/08/2019 13:07

My husband wasn't abused by his uncle. He was abused by a separate party invited into their home.

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MamaBearfor3 · 09/08/2019 13:11

Thank you all for your responses. My husband works away as a long distance truck driver but I told him of my post and he wanted to read it. He's come back to me stating he absolutely agrees with every single one of you and has indeed blocked BOTH his parents! He said (of course) it was upsetting but he never thought it was something he'd have to do but that it is the right thing to do. I wish he was home already so I could hug him tight but will just have to wait till later this evening.

I would have been devastated to learn people agreed with her reasoning.

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CupoTeap · 09/08/2019 13:19

So glad you have deciyto do that.

HeffaLump1 · 09/08/2019 13:31

Good move on your DH for blocking them - dont let them even have a glint of contact/information on your family. There is power in silence and MIL will only realise what she has lost if there is totally no contact whatsoever. If she ever does.
But this is about your precious girls as you have made clear, and they need to know she will never hurt them again with her choices.
You and your DH sound incredible x

ajandjjmum · 09/08/2019 14:11

Give your DH a hug from me too! And Flowers for you.

MamaBearfor3 · 09/08/2019 14:13

😩 oh this just gets worse! My husband has found out today one of his other brothers "sees where his mum is coming from and it's her choice to make". This man dotes on our girls so this is a devastating blow! He gets married next year with my husband as Best Man and eldest as a bridesmaid. That could all change 😔 and all because of one woman who is 'all about me'.

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AcrossthePond55 · 09/08/2019 14:15

There is power in silence and MIL will only realise what she has lost if there is totally no contact whatsoever.

^^ What HeffaLump1 said.

Good for your DH! I think this will help him in more ways than just protecting your DDs. If you haven't, do likewise. Both of you should block them on every possible platform. They need to cease to exist for you and your precious little family.

BTW, do you think it might be ha good idea to contact this piece of shit's parole/probation officer and let him know that he is back in touch with his sister and that it is likely there will be children in her home (other DGC?) and that she cannot be relied upon to protect these children from him?

31RueCambon · 09/08/2019 14:18

Bloody hell! What a nightmare. Your prerogative to cease contact with people who cant comprehend what you have all been through.

The comment about "how long" are you going to punish "k" would enrage me! Like he got drunk and made a fool of himself. They arent respecting the gravity of what happened.

Brew
31RueCambon · 09/08/2019 14:20

I also think it is imperative your girls know that their parents were 100% behind them.

It isnt 'difficult'. It is simple. My god.

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