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My crappy childhood has just exploded

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DearTeddyRobinson · 04/08/2019 22:06

I'm on hols with DH, 2 DCs, and my parents. 6yo DS is being a pain in the arse. DH and I are dealing with it as best we can but it's hard. He's clearly driving my parents mad and they are not hiding it. Lots of snide little comments to him etc. Anyway today there was some kind of contretemps at the pool - I wasn't there.
Next thing I know, DS is running into the house sobbing hysterically, with my mother hot on his heels, my father close behind. They were shouting the odds about him being a spoiled brat, I started to get angry with them and told them to stop bullying him. Yelling escalates, father tells me to leave and go home. While I'm yelling back at my father, I hear a loud slap and a scream. I run back in to where DS is and my mother is pinching his face and leaning down right into his face, hissing something at him. I shout at her to leave him alone, she doesn't and continues to berate him.
I slap her in the face. All hell breaks loose.

So while I was growing up my parents were violent disciplinarians. They would shout at and slap and beat me whenever I transgressed. They used to team up so one could hold me down while the other hit me.
On one occasion I was dragged naked from the shower (I was a teen at this point) and beaten on the bathroom floor.
I never wanted my kids to think this was ok and by and large DH and I agree. But I have serious anger issues and somehow still think that hitting someone is the ultimate resolution (not the kids though).
I think today all of this fucked up mess came boiling over. DH is disgusted with me for hitting a 72 year old woman - understandably. (But not with her for hitting a 6 year old who had a red hand print on his bum).
We are leaving tomorrow, 3 days early.
DH is barely speaking to me. The kids are confused. I am sick with god knows what - rage, guilt, whatever.
Where the fuck do we go from here?

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ptumbi · 09/08/2019 09:36

So how is it now, Teddy? Are you still on holiday? How is it with your twat husband?

Have you made any decisions re NC with the abusive bastards?

DearTeddyRobinson · 09/08/2019 10:13

Hi all,
Back in Blighty thank god. DH is barely speaking to me. No contact with anyone from my family. The kids are happy to be back and don't seem to have any ill effects. H snapped at ds over dinner last night, I patted DS to comfort him, and immediately DH apologised to him. I wonder if he's starting to think, hey maybe I don't have to be a dick, or if I am maybe I'll get called out?
I've been looking for therapists and I'm about to call one who is near my office.
I have never been so glad to be back at work!!

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CookieDoughKid · 09/08/2019 10:16

I'm sorry OP but your family your parents are not normal and you don't have a healthy dynamic with them. You need boundaries starting with not going on holiday with them again!!!

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 09/08/2019 10:27

Your DH has realised the dynamic has shifted, if you will stand up for your dc against your parents you will also do so with him. I'd likely wager that's why he wants you to suck back up to them, because it gives him less room to behave badly.

Gamble66 · 09/08/2019 10:42

Asert the fuck out of yourself Teddy x

lovelookslikethis · 09/08/2019 10:49

Remember that you are seeing the therapist to talk about how to manage your feelings around your childhood, not because you need to be fixed op, or because you have done anything wrong.

I hope you know we are all behind you, and none of us should ever be ashamed for protecting our children. You wouldn't let a stranger do that to ds, so why is okay for his gps to hurt him.

Your dh has been rattled by the change in you, and it is my sincere hope that with some reflection, he will start to ask questions and show some empathy for your ghastly childhood. Let him stew for now, do not give in on this. It is vitally important he eventually understands. Consider showing him the thread when you are on speaking terms again.

You are a wonderful mother, both for providing a safe and loving environment for your child despite your own experiences, and for protecting him so fiercely. T

eam Teddy it is!! Bear Hold on to that, and look after yourself.

catofdoom · 09/08/2019 10:49

I hope your new therapist can help you. So sorry your husband is still being a dick, it's unbelievable!

StaplesCorner · 09/08/2019 10:49

... what I hope is DH's problem - he thinks I over reacted because he genuinely doesn't understand how these things escalate with my parents

I share other posters' scepticism OP, I think that's a triumph of hope over experience on your part - I think he just wants the money. Sad Hope this counsellor can help you to work it out.

catofdoom · 09/08/2019 10:50

Yes, the therapist is to try to make sense of the wrongs done to you. Not any imagined wrong doing you've done. Smile

DearTeddyRobinson · 09/08/2019 10:51

@OhLookHeKickedTheBall your DH is starting to realise the dynamic has shifted*
YES. YES IT HAS.
My parents live in a different country so we don't see each other very much. So the dynamic is mostly in my head and in my interactions with DH. But it is undergoing quite a change!!
My mother has had a catastrophic falling out with her 2 sisters in the past and they have been NC for about 4-5 years. Coincidence?

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DearTeddyRobinson · 09/08/2019 10:52

I am loving Team Teddy btw Grin

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Teddybear45 · 09/08/2019 10:55

Yes I thought you must have hit your DH if he was upset with you about this. You need to get counselling - you hitting him and your mum is a completely separate issue than your mum hitting your DS. Your DH is entitled to be pissed off at you for this and be angry at her. Don’t conflate the two issues.

Also, I would ask if your DS has inherited your temper / way of dealing with things? A person who hits their spouse probably yells at them or swears at them too - it’s very possible your DS is mimicking you.

DearTeddyRobinson · 09/08/2019 10:59

@Teddybear45 honestly I am very patient with the children, it is DH who loses his temper. Any arguments I have with DH (which are rare tbh) are not in front of the kids.
Apparently the incident which started this whole shitshow was DS overreacting to the noise of an alarm going off, and him not getting his way about something else. So it wasn't an argument with someone IYSWIM

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DearTeddyRobinson · 09/08/2019 10:59

Oh and I agree that there are several separate things going on, and I'm not looking for absolution for what I have done

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contrary13 · 09/08/2019 11:15

I'm glad, DearTeddy, that you're seeking counselling for the abuse which you endured as a child/teenager. Your determination to break that perpetual cycle, so that your own children never have to live their lives in fear of their parents is commendable.

I could describe the abuse - physical, emotional - which I endured growing up, and the abuse - verbal, emotional - which I still put up with (to a certain degree) from my parents, my mother particularly, but I won't. What I will say, however, is that it was counselling, and speaking to former friends of my parents (who did nothing, or precious little to help protect me as I was growing up - and who now all claim to regret not stepping in but "it wasn't the done thing back then to get involved" Hmm ), which helped me to piece together that both of my parents had been abused by their parents. My mother, particularly. They simply repeated the abuse. And I was determined to put an end to it, for my own children's sakes.

Having said that, if my child had been smacked hard enough to leave a handprint, had their face pinched and have their grandparent hissing who-knows-what (and I do wonder if it was along the lines of "don't tell Mummy what we did", actually), then I would have reacted as instinctively as you did, OP. Your slapping of your mother... no, perhaps not the best of actions, but I can understand why you did it. And I understand that your remorse is tied up, still, with the residual fear of your childhood - somewhere inside of you, I'm willing to bet, you're waiting for her to beat you in response.

Actually, I have slapped my own mother. She hit me when I stepped between her and my then-small daughter, I forget why, and I slapped her in self-defence. I also told her that if she ever laid a finger on me again, I would do more than just slap her. She's spent the last 20 years restricting herself to verbal and emotional abuse towards me, but at least I no longer instinctively flinch whenever she lifts her arm.

My son (14) and I are VLC with my parents now, for various reasons. My 23 year old daughter is adored and feted by them (although I'm waiting for them to turn on her, too, now she's refusing to allow them to control her as much as they previously have done). My brothers went NC years ago (to the point where she only found out DB2 emigrated two years ago, last week!). It can be done.

Just as breaking the cycle to protect your children from abuse learned at the hands of your parents, can be done.

Good luck.

lovelookslikethis · 09/08/2019 11:31

See yourself as a true pioneer, we are the last generation (hopefully) on the receiving end of physical abuse, the super human effort we all quietly put in every single minute of the day to avoid our children suffering abuse is unspoken but worthy of so much.

Many, many of us on here have drawn a line in the sand, and we will not ever bend on this issue. Our children will not suffer as we did, and nothing and no one has the capacity to take us back there.

It won't be the easiest journey, your parents will put you under pressure at some point to allow them to pick up where they left off. It is up to you to be your child's gatekeeper. I have been doing this for the past 14 years and I can tell you, now she is growing into the most lovely gentle young woman who will never know how much I have shielded her, and I hope she never does.

AnnonniMoose · 09/08/2019 16:59

Go Team Teddy!

My crappy childhood has just exploded
DearTeddyRobinson · 09/08/2019 17:21

@AnnonniMoose I love it!! Team Teddy has it's own logo!
I have made an appointment to see a therapist on Tuesday. She has a background in helping adult survivors of childhood abuse so I'm hopeful she can help me start to make sense of this. I don't even know where I'm going to start! 'So I belted my mum in the face, whaddaya yhink?'

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DearTeddyRobinson · 09/08/2019 17:21

Urgh.
Its own logo
Think not yhink
DYAC

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Davespecifico · 09/08/2019 18:08

Are you thinking about splitting up, or staying together?

RuffleCrow · 09/08/2019 18:27

I can relate to this 100% and I'm sorry you're having a shitty time.

No, you shouldn't have slapped her, you should have called the police as she was physically and emotionally abusing a 6 year old.

Unfortunately you just reacted in the way they taught you - kneejerk violence as the answer to conflict. And actually you were defending your son so it's even more understandable.

I'm currently in therapy with my mother and it's like pulling teeth. She was very similar to yours as I was growing up although my dad was usually not violent but they did work as a team like yours.

I've had trips like yours that ended in similar disaster. I think if I was in your position now I would make it clear to your dh that you will be civil for the rest of the trip but that you're not prepared to do shared excursions or spend time with them. Then when you get back you're going to book you both in for some Relate counselling before you see them again. If anyone tries to engage you in discussion about this incident simply change the subject or say "let's talk about this after we get home, when we're all calmer" repeat in the stuck record manner whenever needed.

Focus on your son now and making the best of the holiday you have left with him.

Then go very low contact with your parents until you've had both couples and individual counselling to work through the obvious trauma you're carrying around with you.

I can recommend some really helpful books to look up when you get back:

Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents by Linsday Gibson

Mothers Who Can't Love by Susan Forward

The Body Holds the Score by Bessell Van Der Kolk (this one is amazing for the low-level trauma many of us carry around after violent childhoods).

Wishing you a peacful rest of your break - assuming you're still there Flowers

HepzibahGreen · 09/08/2019 18:32

Nrft yet but I am so eye rolling at all the oh won't someone think of the poor battered husband replies.
Yes it's wrong to hit, but everyone fucking knows there is a difference between a woman hitting a man and a man hitting a woman. And to say it's the same is utter rubbish. I have been hit by a man and by a woman (several times).
When a man comes at you in anger and uses force against you you fear for your because you know they can do real damage.
I'm a sturdy woman my dp is a average man, not too much taller. He can (in play not violence) hold my arms with one hand. If he hit me it would send me flying. It's shitty for a woman to use violence against anyone but it's also a false equivalency to say "if the sexes were reveresed". The sexes are different.
OP hope you are ok. I can relate. I don't blame you for defending your little boy.

RuffleCrow · 09/08/2019 18:50

I agree completely @hepzibahgreen

dimsum123 · 09/08/2019 19:00

Another great resource is NAPAC. If you Google it, I'm sure you will find it very informative and supportive.

Also the Drama of the Gifted Child is a brilliant brilliant book by Alice Miller.

BoneyBackJefferson · 09/08/2019 19:24

HepzibahGreen

but everyone fucking knows there is a difference between a woman hitting a man and a man hitting a woman.

I suppose that would depend on if you are the one being hit.

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