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Wtf is going on with dh

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holidayharpie · 29/07/2019 23:36

I'm currently on holiday. DH has been suffering depression for years and done nothing to help himself despite significant support. I work very long hours and in the run up to the holiday I've been working very long hours for a few months. DC 14 and 16 have been complaining about his behaviour and I have found him difficult. This holiday his behaviour has become bizarre. He's been NC with his parents for 20 years and many of his behaviours are identical to his dads. Examples

  1. unable to take any criticism or perceived criticism. This may include a look from dd14 if he flicks sand on her etc, not actually criticism. He flies of the handle, shouting, accusations, storming off.
  2. constant threats of leaving the place we are at, the holiday and me.
  3. his mouth is constantly hanging open, all day and all night, he didn't do this before.
  4. biting his nails, his fingers and scratching his nostrils
  5. eating everything, all the food to share, all the snacks etc. Literally stuffing handfuls of crisps etc into iOS mouth. He's always been v slim and was a fitness model, he's looking v out of shape. (I am concerned about him not what he looks like)
  6. greedy odd behaviour, ordering 3 courses when everyone's having a snack etc. It doesn't bother me for the money or food, but it's very different to his usual self.
  7. sleeping 10+ hours a night and snoring, can't wake up, foul tempered when he wakes up.

What's happening to him? We're all on egg shells in case he has a massive tantrum.
This morning dd wanted a pastry, I said 'oh sorry i think your dad just had the last one' and he went berserk, calling me a liar, saying I was turning everyone against him etc. This was on the veranda of the hotel with other guests around.
It's so hard to manage his moods.
Any ideas?

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MyOtherProfile · 08/08/2019 18:33

@ThumbWitchesAbroad oh dear, there you go misreading again. I wasn't equating the two situations. I was using one as an example of why it can be a good idea to talk to the GP, without it meaning taking responsibility for that person, which I hope you are able to see is relevant.

candycane222 · 08/08/2019 19:58

Oh harpie, you have put up with so much (I remember your earlier thread too) such horrible unpredictable behaviour..

Are your dcs not terrified. When my df was like this. I couldn't even eat (think I mentioned this upthread) I really feel for them, living with this.

But you can't control his behaviour however much you and your dcs bend yourselves out of shape. He, however, can control it. And chooses not to for his own fucked-up reasons. You cannot help him, only he can do that. You can help yourself though. Not easy - not easy at all. But - can you really carry on like this? Because if you don't draw a line, why would anything ever change?

FilledSoda · 08/08/2019 21:37

I remember you.
He's an absolute fucker , get him away from your kids .
This is their life , this is your life and every day with this abusive dickhead is a day you don't get back.
Make the change today.
Your kids are going to look back on this bs when they are your age and wonder what you were waiting for .
I'm so sorry , I can't even imagine how bad this must be, but does that not make your decision clearer ?

Mitzimaybe · 09/08/2019 02:17

OP are you ok?

holidayharpie · 09/08/2019 12:54

Yes I'm fine thank you. Just processing everything. I've told him very bluntly that this is not carrying on. I'm away for a few days to think it all thru.
We've been doing various tings as a unit of 3, cinema, trip to local city and lots of chores.
I find the posts saying I am harming my dc very harsh and I need to feel positive about myself and my parenting skills to do what I need to. I'm v grateful for for the support.
@BeUpStanding frida is always there for me. She was everywhere in Mexico.... thank you for your patience and kindness

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TatianaLarina · 09/08/2019 13:59

I don’t think anyone means you’re harming them yourself OP.

It’s the situation that’s harmful to your kids. I’ve no doubt you’re a good mum. But the impact on the kids something that anyone in an abusive relationship needs to address.

Try not to beat yourself up about it, just use it as a motivating factor to help you get out.

candycane222 · 09/08/2019 14:12

I"m sorry if it is hard to hear. You are not harming your dc, your husband is. You are trying to find a way through that is best for them and you, and all of the options probably look unattractive and painful. You have come a long way in a short year, from blaming yourself, to understanding it's him. I was only echoing to you my own experience I suppose.

Teaandchocolatecake · 09/08/2019 15:03

His behaviour is damaging and draining you so it stands to reason that it will do the same to your children.

You have a lot to deal with, I hope the next few days away help you decide what you need to do.

sonicshoegazes · 09/08/2019 22:46

Not much to add but good luck harpie. I too remember your last thread about him.

I send your little unit of 3 lots of love. You are making memories for your children and you. Sod him.

AcrossthePond55 · 09/08/2019 23:26

Best of luck to you harpie. Take time to think things through and make a plan. Seek support and help.

OhioOhioOhio · 09/08/2019 23:34

Harpie

Im pleased to hear from you. And well done for being strong as a unit of 3.

I don't think anyone is trying to be unkind by using harsh words about your situation and how it is or isn't impacting on your children.

I guess some of us are further down the road in our own harsh story and know how debilitating it is sharing time and space with someone so cruel and draining.

Life on the other side has lots of it's own type of hurdle. One of the easier parts for me is knowing that I am not enabling their father's bad behaviour. And that my heart is free.

OhioOhioOhio · 09/08/2019 23:43

Women's Aid gave me a book called Living with the Dominator by Pat Craven. I felt as though Pat Craven had been watching my life. It is a very therapeutic and knowledgeable read.

Hotterthanahotthing · 10/08/2019 00:07

I had similar,17 years.Fantastic at first ,then depression and'self medication'.
Lots of fantastic events and holidays ruined.
The final 5 years were aweful.And yes he was charming to the outside world,even during a shouting bout answering the phone,all normal and friendly,phone down and resumed screaming.
Once you finally accept that thing have to change there is so much to take in and deal with emotionally,you are living this life not reading about it.
OP has her house and can't leave it due to animals and business so it is complex.
I wish you all the strength you need OP,you will find it.I hope you can find space to celebrate when the GCSE results come out in a few weeks (my fingers crossed for my DD too) and hoping you can sail in the calm sea I have found when it's over.Flowers

PerkyPomPoms · 10/08/2019 00:26

It is a hard situation but he is awful and abusive - I wish you strength and courage to get him away from you and your children

YKNOTC · 10/08/2019 09:45

@holidayharpie I’ve just stumbled across your thread and it’s taken me back to where I was nine years ago. I too married a man that I got together with at 18, who then developed mental health issues, and by the end would scream and shout and have us all walking on eggshells whilst he was sweetness and light to the rest of the world.

I remember once driving home with him screaming and swearing at me the whole way, and then walking through the front door and watching him change from bile-filled monster to charming man in front of the babysitter. I was utterly shellshocked and could barely string two words together, whilst he merrily chatted about nothing.

The damage this does to you - especially when you feel like the rest of the world can’t see the truth - is horrendous.

He used to get particularly angry if he ever heard me crying, because I was damaging his mental health to do so. He once kicked in the bathroom door to berate me. I never cried in front of him, but if he heard it it was me actively hurting him. My pain wasn’t real, everything was about him.

I posted on mumsnet for years under several user names about him, and everyone was so kind. Yes there were the impatient lot too, but our lives are real and in reality things don’t happen overnight. I gave him chance after chance. Finally I realised that he would never be who I needed him to be, and that yes he is mentally ill, but he’s also a controlling abuser and it was not my job to be his punchbag.

I finally left, and a weight that I had no idea existed, lifted from my shoulders overnight. I remember dancing around the kitchen with my children, and it all being amazing. There were bad days and hard times, but I remember how often and how silently I would cry and how hopeless life felt. I remember wishing away my years, waiting for things to get better, but they never could with him.

The things I thought would be hard - being an adult alone for the first time - were not. They were so much easier because I didn’t dread coming home. I could finally walk around the whole house without worrying about where he was and what mood he was in.

But the biggest change has been the children. They are so happy now. I hadn’t seen just how on edge they were until it was gone. They are all thriving, and so am I. Without that huge drain on my energy, I have been able to spend my time on the things that I love.

I’m remarried now, to a kind and gentle man. He thinks about me and I think about him. We look after each other - I had no idea a relationship could be like that.

I also have animals and live in the countryside, and it’s so lovely to feel like this is my place to escape to, and not somewhere I am isolated.

I know how hard it is to leave, and I know it takes time, but deep down you know that this isn’t just mental illness. This is who he is. He doesn’t know how to treat you all well. Take all the time you need, you will get there. There is a great big light at the end of the tunnel and it involves dancing with your kids around a kitchen. Best of luck Flowers

OhioOhioOhio · 10/08/2019 15:55

YKNOTC

What an inspiring post. If you don't mind me gatecrashing, how did you know you were ready to date again? How did you know your new husband was a good man?

Dowser · 10/08/2019 17:42

Lovely post yknotc

Although my situation was nowhere near as severe as harpies or yours
I can remember times when he went off the deep end when our children were little.
Also the awful years of the last dregs of our marriage.
I too am married to a lovely quiet man and half the week we live in the country and it’s peaceful and tranquil and no, I don’t feel isolated.

How do you know he’s a good man?

Because you never feel that inner hand clutching at your guts if things aren’t to his liking.

That’s how.
You feel a lightness and freedom like you’re the captain of your own ship...not part of the crew at the behest of a temperamental psychopath.

Remember going to a Christmas Eve service in a church in celebration in Florida just a couple of days after we’d landed there , tired and jet lagged
After a beautiful service in which are hosts were so kind and made us welcome and everyone shook hands with us , we were heading back up the 192 to the villa and he’s going lickerty split in the dark, and it’s raining and I’m disoriented and asked him to slow down a bit..and in the most vile way he ripped me a new one.

In front of my daughter, son in law and mum. Vile pig!
I was totally humiliated and silenced.

When you’re new man treats you with respect..that’s when you know.

Wallywobbles · 10/08/2019 23:31

I don't know or remember if you've done the freedom program. I did it online and it is an eye opener on boundaries and "normal".

Blondebakingmumma · 11/08/2019 01:01

You have not hurt your children. Only your husband is responsible for that. I’m sure you are doing the best you can. Unfortunately being around your husband is detrimental to you all xx

greenberet · 11/08/2019 22:39

This is very very sad - this has been on my mind since reading last night. I suffer with long term depression - this was diagnosed over 20 years ago following a traumatic period at work. Looking back now and following an extremely acrimonious divorce I’m not sure whether the “depression” was really in relation to work events or to a marriage that possibly should never have happened.

At the time I went through pretty extensive counselling - thought
I had “sorted” myself, discussed a turbulent childhood due to DM having MH issues and thought I had a good understanding of myself.

It was after my DH started acting out of character, which I thought was linked to the death of his Dm and work stress that I googled depression and read whatever I could about it. At the time of my diagnosis internet did not exist but I had done a lot of reading. However one book made me look at depression from the non sufferers perspective and also taught me a lot about the illness. And it is an illness - I am in receipt of PIP recently for how it impacts on my life and this categorises it as a disability.

During my 20 year marriage I managed my depression and would say it was under control. I have been on medication for most of this time. Following a divorce 4 years ago and an extremely nasty x i have had severe symptoms of depression again, been under MH twice and probably for most of this year have felt I step away from a breakdown.

Possibly the only thing that has stopped me is having a partner who understands MH - has had his own issues following an abusive childhood and is on hand to help me - not always as sometimes our own issues trigger unhealed issues in the other - if this makes sense.

The part about your DH lying in a ball locked in the bathroom really struck me - this is a grown person an adult who has reverted to childhood behaviour because he cannot deal with life - I once barricaded myself in a bedroom - it was my DF 65th birthday - we (dH&i) had just moved house - a brand new 4 bed exec home - I should have been happy but I was unable to function - at the time I can remember feeling ignored by my DH - knowing what I know now he couldn’t handle MH - he thought whenever I was having “difficulty” - ie needed him to do kids tea because I needed to go to bed - he thought I was punishing him - I wasn’t - I needed to remove myself from everything because I could no longer cope - back then a few hours break from twins would see me ok - but I never knew the resentment that must have been brewing in Xdh. I too missed out on lots of things - mainly by my own doing but also because I did not know any better.

Recently I have been triggered to a place I never thought I would visit again by the ongoing fallout of my divorce. I was emotionally drained. I had an arrangement to be somewhere on a significant day for my DP. I didn’t want to go - in the old days I would have baled out - no one would have seen me like this outside my own 4 walls - but I thought I would be ok as DP could handle me - I caught myself saying something - pretty tame in relation to the stuff you have had to deal with - but it was “why are you looking at me like that? - why do you keep looking at me in that way?”

I know I was not well - my emotions were strained to breaking point - DP wasn’t looking at me in any way - in anyway that deserved me speaking to him like this - but I could not control myself - it was either break down in a sobbing mess or say what I said. Maybe it came out like this because I could not break down - I needed to be “strong” for DP as it was the anniversary of his DM death - something that hits him particularly hard. Luckily for me he defused the situation and the moment passed but it could so easily have all gone tits up.

I’m trying to say that despite having depression for a very long time and thinking I knew myself, thinking I had it under control which I did, I was still triggered by life events I did not envisage - that despite having a very good gp that has helped me tremendously sometimes the stress of life takes over and sets of aspects of the illness that are misunderstood and confused between the illness and the person.

I’m not trying to diminish here any of the “abuse” you have been through for it is abuse but is it only at times when your Dh is at his worst. What is it that triggers these episodes? Is it his feelings of inadequacy - I’m sure he must feel this with you being the main provider? Is it the birthday ? It seems that the resentment of your Dh has got to a point where you cannot take anymore - again this is often the case - the impact on the spouse often leads to a decline in their own MH and I can fully understand the impact this is having on you and your kids.

I never knew the extent of my own DM mental health - I was always told it was flu - I have tried to protect my kids and educate them at the same time - it is very difficult to understand something that you cannot see and is often illogical.

Despite the topic of MH being talked about it is still hugely misunderstood - I am only really starting to understand myself at 54 and realise where my issues come from - the counselling I had 20 odd years ago was probably not addressing the real issues but what I thought were the issues - there is not enough resources to deal with this - at best we are using a sticking plaster to try and keep our issues under control - does your Dh know why he curls up into a ball - what was going on in his childhood that he would revert to this behaviour to deal with it - he is stuck at this age - he does not know how to deal with whatever emotions were going on with him then - he does not know how to deal with them now being triggered by grown up issues!

I spoke to my DP abut this he has professional experience in this area now - he likened your talking your Dh round to coming out the bathroom as talking to someone standing on a ledge - I can fully understand why you feel you cannot deal with this anymore.
The book I read and still read because I want to understand myself better is www.amazon.co.uk/How-Survive-When-Theyre-Depressed/dp/0609804154/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?s=gateway&crid=1ELBUO9QAQ4LA&keywords=how+to+survive+when+theyre+depressed&sprefix=How+to+survive+whe%2Caps%2C154&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&qid=1565558639&sr=8-1-fkmr0

I also know that when I am at my worst all I really want is for someone to not give up on me - despite doing my best to actually push them away - I have this voice in my head that says I hate me - therefore you have to hate me too - and this voice can be pretty powerful and can come outside of my head into the real world - it is my fear talking - that’s all - my fear from childhood that wasn’t acknowledged and soothed - and now it is this big ugly thing that has power to destroy as better to destroy than be destroyed - except it is a myth because we end up destroying ourselves!

Bit garbled at the end Op but trying to explain what depression feels like to me - good luck with whatever you decide to do x

bibliomania · 12/08/2019 10:51

you’re the captain of your own ship...not part of the crew at the behest of a temperamental psychopath.

Brilliant metaphor, Dowser

I think your situation might be a bit different, greenberet, because it doesn't sound like you can switch it off in front of an audience and suddenly be charming.

OP, the fact that your H can do this shows he's not "losing" his temper, he's "using" his temper, as Lundy Bancroft puts it (if you haven't read Why Does He Do That? then I strongly recommend it). You cannot sacrifice yourself and your dcs to - well, to what? Who is this situation working for?

greenberet · 12/08/2019 20:43

I’m not so sure on that although I’ve never been in a situation where it warranted it - however I do know that I carried some shame for the fact that I have depression - still do - the only thing I can relate it to was feeling suicidal on the phone to a large organisation who were doubting everything I was saying in a complaint - but believed me enough to call the police. By the time the police arrived I had pulled myself together got showered and dressed and was in a completely different headspace.

Although talking to them did set me off again.

The people closest to us are the ones who see the ugly side - you cannot hide it indefinitely - but most people I think have some “control” over it otherwise we would all be sectioned. The thing is no one knows when we have reached our limit - not even ourselves maybe this can only be seen by the level of our behaviour - as I said I have felt most of this year very close to a breakdown - what is stoping me going over the edge - I’d like to say myself but if this is the case can I not stop the depression itself? - i hate the suffering - I feel I have lost out myself due to this - but is this unfair of me to myself - because it is regarded as an illness - I don’t deliberately do things to myself to make me worse - sometimes I just cannot help it - and it is outside situations that trigger me.

One day I would like to say I am fully cured - is this even possible?

greenberet · 12/08/2019 20:44

I’ve read Lundy - does it have a section covering MH - I cant remember off hand

TatianaLarina · 13/08/2019 09:16

greenberet

While I respect your candour, I would politely suggest that linking depression and abuse is extremely unhelpful to the OP.

Depression does not cause abuse. Many abusive people are not depressed. Even if DH is depressed and suffers from other mental illness - that is not the reason he is abusive. Linking these two factors does a great disservice to people who are mentally ill who have never abused anyone in their life.

I’m not trying to diminish here any of the “abuse” you have been through for it is abuse but is it only at times when your Dh is at his worst. What is it that triggers these episodes? Is it his feelings of inadequacy

You are diminishing abuse, perhaps unwittingly. Asking whether the abuse is ‘only at times’ when DH is at his worst mentally is deeply problematic. As is the idea that abuse is triggered by feelings of ‘inadequacy’.

If anything your post may tug on the heart strings of the OP and make her feel more guilty about leaving a man she needs to get away from for her own and her children’s well-being.

CIareIsland · 13/08/2019 09:41

I find the posts saying I am harming my dc very harsh and I need to feel positive about myself and my parenting skills to do what I need to.

No one is saying that you are PROACTIVELY harming your children.

You have done everything - turning yourself inside out - to accommodate and minimise his impact on your children. Your only mistake is to have tried too hard for too long. Others would have been out of there long ago, but you were brought up in dysfunctional environment so your tolerance of bad behaviour is far too high.

But there is a line well and truly crossed by his deteriorating behaviour where you are now unable to protect them any longer and YOU are now aware that he is emotionally harming them.

So from this point on you have to take responsibility for enabling and exposing them to harm if YOU choose to change nothing.

You know that he will not or cannot change. You know that his behaviour is escalating and your know it harms your children. The only person who can protect your children here is you. It is now well beyond the place of you plate spinning to keep you all under one roof. They need rescuing and removal from the situation.

This isn’t about blame - you have done nothing wrong - but it is about responsibility. Imagine young children are in a house in fire, you didn’t start it, you can’t put it out either - but you don’t leave them there.

I do hope that you find strength and support in RL, also from a professional counsellor to understand and overcome your own difficult childhood traumas which are holding you back from getting your children out of this situation.