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Dating thread 164. Fortune favours the brave

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Marlboroandmalbec34 · 13/07/2019 09:27

  1. The first rule about the dating thread is don't talk about it with people you're dating.
  2. Develop a thick skin.
  3. Do not invest emotionally too soon.
  4. It's all BS until it actually happens.
  5. Trust your gut instinct.
  6. People vanishing, lying & being generally weird is not your fault.
  7. You are the prize - they should be trying to impress you.
  8. If it's not fun, stop.
  9. Loo update is mandatory.
10. No dating the thread. 11. Do unto others as you would have them do to you.

And a reminder - you don't know them until you know them!

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MoreNiceCereal · 14/07/2019 09:12

Wahey! Sounds like a good date!

Crustaceans · 14/07/2019 09:18

I’m so pleased it went well @LooUpdate.

CassettesAreCool · 14/07/2019 09:38

Three cheers for Mr Shakes, and looupdate for conquering her demons! Really happy to hear this 😊

Sunshineandflipflops · 14/07/2019 10:05

Very pleased to hear it @LooUpdate! And (someone has to ask) was it all you'd hoped for...?!

CodLiverOil556 · 14/07/2019 10:21

Whoop whoop Mr S & @LooUpdate. Hope it was great!

JeSuisPrest · 14/07/2019 10:35

Not caught up thread from last night yet, just wanted to see how Loo had got on and yes!!!!!! @LooUpdate 🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳

Back to MrC's tea and toast in bed. As you were.

Coffeeandchocolate9 · 14/07/2019 11:05

@butterflyFed

Why not have a list with many things on it? I have a list of around 20-30 things, (I'm into manifesting so asked the universe for as specific as I could - That's why I was excited about Mr 5in1 I spent much of our first date mentally ticking things off that list) ... both kindness and intelligence are on my list.

And how did date 4 go? I'm in page 4 of 5 replying so I might find out on the next page!

Ooh and where in canada are you? I Visited Victoria earlier this year and fell in love with the place. I've added Canadian to my list (one of the only boxes 5in1 doesn't tick) because I want the option of moving there in the future! Blush

@Sunshineandflipflops it's worth doing a list of what you want in a man, what's negotiable and what's not, if it feels right to you. I'm very glad it's easy with Mr SAS. Maybe he's preparing you for similar but without his faults/complications! Sorry you had unwanted update about ex, those sort of things suck, I don't understand the people who want to tell you! My only serious ex and I fell out when we split up and didn't keep in touch - he hour neck in touch a few years later and tried to start up writing newsy emails about what his family were up to Confused

@crustations happy anniversary! Your give me hope!

As does @sidge ! I had to laugh at the expression potato heads though, I am now expecting to find a Mr Potato Head on bumble as I'm swiping Grin

Posting so I can move onto page 5...

Coffeeandchocolate9 · 14/07/2019 11:07

@looupdate as LadBaby (anybody watch him??) Would say, YES MATE!!!!! 😁😁😁😁 phew!!

@JeSuisPriest how lovely of you to make T&T in bed for him 😁

Sunshineandflipflops · 14/07/2019 11:14

@Coffeeandchocolate9 I don't have a list of specifications to be honest, and the things I thought would be non negotiable I seem to have compromised on (like monogamy) but after my experiences with my marriage, I honestly don't know how I feel about monogamy myself anymore Sad

MoreNiceCereal · 14/07/2019 11:19

Tmi!
An update of sorts with Mr TBD and I, from the last thread. I mentioned how none of the men I've slept with since leaving stbxh have finished inside. Discussed this with Mr TBD and he said it's a habit he developed with his ex over the years to avoid pregnancy (not being 100% confident in the pill). And also condoms reduce sensation. He reassured me it wasn't anything to do with me at all.

It could very well be porn related as well, but I'm happy enough with that explanation. I'd rather avoid any risk of pregnancy so overall it's a reasonable decision. Tmi over. Smile

MoreNiceCereal · 14/07/2019 11:22

@Sunshineandflipflops

I am reassessing so much of my life since leaving my ex. What I thought I wanted out if life actually made me miserable in the end. I'm in a constant state of flux but am looking at it more like an adventure than as a ship lost at sea! It is hard, though. Everything I thought I knew and wanted has been turned upside-down.

Coffeeandchocolate9 · 14/07/2019 11:42

And my update on Mr 5in1 - get a brew, it's going to be long. Welp, I didn't hear from him between 5pm and midnight. I had driven an hour and a half in one direction from my home, and ended up driving an hour in the other direction to catch the end of a music festival with a couple of friends. Kinda felt like a third wheel (although they're not a couple) and tried to dance and smile along with them but my heart wasn't in it. Stayed with one of the friends and stayed up until 4am talking about him and catching up in general. Decided that if this is his way of breaking up with or ghosting, it needs to go down in the history books as pretty damn impressive; it's got expense, massive inconvenience, heartache, unresolved feelings (should I be worried? I'm angry but I don't know if it is okay too feel angry because there's still an outside chance it's genuine... in many ways it's funny because it's such a massive extravagant way of dumping somebody.

I'm not convinced that it is anything untoward though. I've been through a rollercoaster thinking it is/isn't/could/could be not... and I still just don't know. He text at about 1am, apologising again and saying he was staying over with his mum in hospital who was still very much touch and go. He said he was going back in, which I take to mean he went outside to text and couldn't text when inside - I don't know the hospital they are in, but I know it's usually hard to get a signal inside other hospitals. I think his phone was on not off when I rang him a couple of times last night (it rang out before going to voicemail) but it could well be on silent and him not looking at it.

In all honestly if I were in his shoes and if it's real and genuine that his mum is very critically ill, I don't know that I'd be doing much different. I've dropped plans with close friends when one of my parents needed to be rushed into hospital and sent them one text, only picking up the phone to them when parent is out of the woods. I might well not contact somebody I was only on date #4 with, very much if at all during the emergency, because no matter how much I like them, they're totally insignificant in that moment when you're focussed on your parent who might die at any moment.

My gut feeling is that this isn't a lie, this is what's really going on for him.

However - I am also holding open the fact that even if it's all truth, but maybe not an acute emergency all the hours, it was pretty sucky of him not to have been in contact a bit more. We had scheduled to dtd for the first time, we'd got a hotel did I mention I'd got waxed!!! - it was a big thing that he was bailing on with somebody who he's caught a case of the feels for. I have insufficient data to draw any firm conclusions, but I'm holding this tab open as a possibility, that he was a bit shit to me.

Of course, it's also possible that there is a more unsavoury reason - I can't be sure that he doesn't have a partner that he's kept quiet from me, and something happened to interrupt his plans to go shag his bit on the side. A partner being suspicious would explain the lack of updates/contact, and the subject matter is one it seems is common for avoiding a date. If its this, he's taken a lot of risks with me being seen in public a lot (though not on his turf) texting and what's apping a lot all times of the day, calling/answering my calls, sexting etc.

Maybe he got cold feet, maybe he thought he could skive work but got threatened with sack and had to bail on me to keep job. Obviously if something like these are the reason why, the way he did it makes it complete deal breaker.

Maybe he just decided he didn't want to shag me or see me again and it had all got too far by that point and he had to go along with pretending to want to and an elaborate dramatic reason not to was created. It's hard to imagine a more shitty way of doing it, even a blunt "you're ugly and I don't want to see your face again" would have been less cruel. And his behaviour on Thursday date was so VERY into me, and that's been so consistent that this just doesn't ring true, but I've been ghosted before and it never does, so what do I know?

I do know that my actions have been with integrity - I've sent supportive texts, not pressurised him, asked after him and his mum repeatedly with no sign of answer or frustration from lack of response, sent well wishes, been understanding etc. If it's true, then I think I've handled it very well from my end. If it's not, if he's even got half a cell of decency in his body he should be wracked with guilt that he's fucked over a good person.

CodLiverOil556 · 14/07/2019 11:52

Hmmm @Coffeeandchocolate9 I went through similar to this 2 weeks ago when I got a message from MrTall saying his mum had been rushed into hospital (although we weren't going on a date that night or anything) and then about a couple of hours later got a text saying she had died. I posted about it on here as I'd only been messaging him for 2 weeks and wasn't sure of the etiquette involved. So I have been supportive of him and let him know I was there for him if he needed me.

I had to go with my gut that he was telling the truth and trust him I suppose. I suppose what I'm trying to say is that you know him best and it's up to you whether you trust him and support him through his hour of need or you cut your losses and hope that you haven't made the wrong choice. I realise how conflicted you sound and wanted to wish you luck

Ginmel · 14/07/2019 11:59

@coffeeandchocolate9 Apart from last night, have you had any reason to have any concern about him? You said you saw this coming with his mum's illness. What does your instinct say?

Kudos for going to the end of the festival too. Even if your heart wasn't in it you still did it.

Ginmel · 14/07/2019 12:00

Sorry, you said your instinct is that it wasn't a lie. Go with that.

Coffeeandchocolate9 · 14/07/2019 16:05

Yeah I'm a pretty intuitive person and my read is that it's true. I knew he was going to no show, I said to him I was worried about that and he reassured me that that wasn't what he was going to do - and when a couple of days ago he said his mum had been ill, it clicked - it wasn't that he was going to do a runner, it was going to be his mum being ill that caused the no show. Which is what happened, at least what he's told me has happened. I couldn't read him at all yesterday but today my instinct is saying it's true. @kermitrulesok really interesting to hear that, as I suspect death here, too. What advice did you get, and what did you do, and how did he take it?

Still haven't heard from him since 1am last night. Have sent and continue to send supportive texts every few hours. So, y'know, all possibilities including sudden spectacular ghosting are still open.

Coffeeandchocolate9 · 14/07/2019 16:14

@Ginmel no other reason to believe he wasn't anything but genuinely very taken with me, including right up to 2 hours before we were due to meet.

Very weird headspace today. At least in answer to making the wrong choice @kermitrulesok I'm 100% happy with my actions. If it's all an elaborate lie, that's not on me, I've done nothing to be ashamed of, quite the opposite I'm very proud of how genuinely supportive I've been - if he's lied, that's on him, and it will hopefully give him sleepless nights knowing that he lied to somebody who then took time out of their day and night to throw nothing but love and support at him. If it's a lie he should feel very bad about that, and hopefully learn his lesson and treat the next person better.

butterflyFed · 14/07/2019 16:43

@sidge if that's the recipe, I should try it! I am starting to think that the odds are minimal. The (lack of) selection and the behaviour of some guys on first dates when they should be at their best is appalling. Hearing the success stories is encouraging and the reason some still have hope despite their own experience. Happy anniversary and may your love keep growing!

@Coffeeandchocolate9 that hotel would be the anticlimax!! How did you end up there? Was it supposed to be for a sexy night?

Date #4 with MrChef: the conversation.
Mr Chef wanted to end the night together and I told him that I wasn't ready (main reason was that my house is in such a state, otherwise it could have happened). That triggered a conversation where he said that he doesn't want to date for the sake of it and what I expect from a relationship, that he is very physical/high sex drive. I explained to him that I didn't consider ourselves in a relationship and he asked if that is were we are headed.

He sent this message this morning:
"I think what I wanted to say last night is that I think you are smart , funny, beautiful, sassy and I am attracted to you. I don't want to be chasing someone who doesn't have similar feelings towards me"

LD rookie, ADHD, and lost overall, I have no idea what he is really asking. I told him I like him and spending time together and that was implicit in arranging new dates. Is he asking for exclusivity? Is he saying he feels insecure if we don't have sex?

I would agree to be exclusive at this point, but relationship/boyfriend is too early. About sex, I am open to it, but not happening for a few dates until I finish the renos in my house (I am not comfortable bringing people here with the chaos). He invited me to stay at his place although he lives with his mom, that's ringing some bells too.

I am on the verge here and don't want to make a fool of myself by jumping the gun to exclusivity when he may just be asking for sex. I need advice on how to go from here please!! I am like a fish out of water.

Sunshineandflipflops · 14/07/2019 17:01

I've just deleted all apps, apart from POF as I messaged a local guy I have been chatting to to let him know as I didn't just want to disappear on him.

Something just clicked this afternoon. I have a really busy (in a nice way) summer coming up and I want to be present for it, not have my head in dating apps.

Most of my child free time is taken up with MrSAS at the moment and regardless of whatever it is, he is enough for me right now. If that changes I will fire the apps back up but I need to clear some headspace.

I'll still be coming in here though to get my dating life fix 😂

Ginmel · 14/07/2019 17:09

@butterflyfed Mr Chef really really likes you. He's so complimentary about you. What he seems unsure of is what you think of him. He may also interpret you not wanting to dtd yet as being unsure if you like him. You need to talk to him!

He certainly doesn't sound like he's seeing anyone else but you would need to ask him perhaps just to be sure.

There's a flame clearly burning here

butterflyFed · 14/07/2019 17:10

@Coffeeandchocolate9 sorry, my phone didn't refresh this morning and I had just read page 4 before posting. Don't draw any conclusions yet and give it a few days until he comes back to you. He will need some headspace right now and his mind is not going to be in the right place. It this is some twisted lie, then you will also know. Right now, bid your time and don't overthink, it won't help.

Canadian men are generally very nice but not the best lovers haha British Columbia has breathtaking places and I am sure it is a dream to live there. You can also move first and find the Canadian later. Pretty sure your odds improve if there are more of them around Wink

@Crustaceans I am in Toronto, with 4million people. The subway looks like a cross. One line goes East/West and the other North/South if you can believe it! Shock sorry for the mistag above, the happy anniversary line was for you Blush I must go grab a big cup of coffee now. My date went on until 4:30am and I am still not awake.

@Sunshineandflipflops I really identify a lot with you. I have also recently blocked my mom from WhatsApp. After spending a few weeks visiting at mine and putting me down constantly mostly about my physical appearance, I didn't plan of keeping in touch much but the last straw was when she left without saying goodbye and later sends a message telling me my XH asked her how she was getting to the airport (mind you that he did not offer to take her. He just was doing dropoff at school across the street, saw her with the suitcase and asked that one question, then said goodbye). So totally unnecessary message to send me when she could not even say goodbye.

Ginmel · 14/07/2019 17:10

Sounds like a really good move @Sunshineandflipflops Enjoy your summer.

Coffeeandchocolate9 · 14/07/2019 17:38

@butterflyfed

Canadian men are generally very nice but not the best lovers haha

Let's just say that's not my experience 😉 but disappointing to find out its not universal 😂

SenselessUbiquity · 14/07/2019 17:45

Hi! I've been on this thread in the past under another name. Back again to see how all the daters are doing. Hello hello newbies and people I recognise!

Sunshine - sounds perfect. Very wise. A really good fwb situation leaves you free to really enjoy life.

butterfly - I have only read what is on this thread and am no expert at all on your situation but it sounds to me like your guy really really likes you, wants to get into a relationship with you and really hopes you feel the same. If you do, I think you need to say something sweet.

Coffeeandchocolate - deep breaths. I have a gut feeling he's for real.

LooUpdate - OMG you had me on tenterhooks and I've only just "met" you. How's it all looking now?

Ok, me: I have to admit - and tell me to get lost if you want - I'm on the smitten bench. It was a long and winding road to get there - and I wasn't really at all planning to end up on it - I certainly wasn't ready to when I started out.

I think the "when ready to date?" question isn't quite correctly framed, or wasn't for me, anyway. I knew I wasn't ready when my LTR ended in summer 16. In Summer 17 I still wasn't ready and tentatively started some profiles up anyway. I was a confident dater by early '18, with lots of irons, some real friends and some fwbs. In Autumn 18 I met my guy who very slowly and gradually took over my heart. BUT. no way could I have cut to the chase and been ready without dating friends, fwbs and dickheads before then.

KOKO dating heroes :)

Sidge · 14/07/2019 18:02

@butterflyFed ugh that reads to me like “I only want to take you out if you’re going to put out.”

You said you’re not ready (and the reasons for that are unimportant- whether it’s emotionally, logistically or otherwise) yet he’s trampling all over your boundaries and asserting his expectations that he is going to want sex sooner or later, and it had better be sooner or he’s off.

It would be a big fat fuckity bye from me I’m afraid...

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