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Dating thread 163: The best response to someone leaving the door ajar is to shut it for them

999 replies

Ginmel · 30/06/2019 09:42

  1. The first rule about the dating thread is don't talk about it with people you're dating.
  2. Develop a thick skin.
  3. Do not invest emotionally too soon.
  4. It's all BS until it actually happens.
  5. Trust your gut instinct.
  6. People vanishing, lying & being generally weird is not your fault.
  7. You are the prize - they should be trying to impress you.
  8. If it's not fun, stop.
  9. Loo update is mandatory.
10. No dating the thread. 11. Do unto others as you would have them do to you.

And a reminder - you don't know them until you know them!

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OP posts:
Crustaceans · 10/07/2019 10:42

Wow. He was a prick. Imagine expecting to move in with someone after 3 months. That one was definitely not you. You probably had a lucky escape.

MrSG has had an offer on his house (finally). He’s asked them to come up a bit (as you do) but he wants to accept it. He needs to persuade his ex who will probably be difficult and unreasonable. So we’re going to have a non-theoretical discussion about living arrangements and next steps for us later this week. Eek!

CodLiverOil556 · 10/07/2019 10:49

So MrTall arrived at mine yesterday with a bar of chocolate for me. I am so on that smitten bench it's untrue. The funeral for his mum is on Friday...I feel like I've known him forever.

Any hot dates planned for this weekend? I might see MrT on Saturday night as I feel he'll need some company

Crustaceans · 10/07/2019 10:52

He probably will need some company @kermitrulesok. That’s probably not a ‘hot date’ really, but it’s great that you feel so comfortable.

shitwithsugaron · 10/07/2019 11:04

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Crustaceans · 10/07/2019 11:15

His ex has been unusually pragmatic and has accepted the revised offer (5k above the original one). So it’s amazing news. 😁 We were going to celebrate just our anniversary this weekend, but we’ve got more to celebrate now.

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MoreNiceCereal · 10/07/2019 12:14

Mr TDB and I are planning to meet up on Friday at his place. Except now my period has started, sigh (just as thrush was clearing up, too). He's completely fine about because he's great of course, but I am deeply disappointed. I feel uncomfortable but hopefully will feel better by Friday so we can still have fun.

He's really great, tbh. We barely know each other and are on our best behaviour still, but even so I quite like him.

JeSuisPrest · 10/07/2019 12:17

@butterflyFed I don't think there are any rules on numbers of dae - if you're both enjoying yourselves take it at a steady pace that suits you.

@Savoretti Sounds like MrTri might be a keeper. I still LOL when I think about you drunkenly signing up for a Tri. The worst I've ever done is ordered some stationery off Amazon dull life. Regarding the irons with no children thing, it's not been an issue for me and MrC so far. We don't do anything spontaneously (sp?), but that suits us both so far - we're both homebirds and work a lot - chilling out at home together with the ocassional evening out suits us fine. He hasn't met my DD yet, but he knows I'm a mum first and foremost and if he wants me then that's part of the deal.

@Nowthefunbegins Hope last night went OK for you.

@Lovemusic33 Last night sounded a bit scary for you. Hope you're feeling better today. I'd take those POF notifcations with a pinch of salt tbh. Maybe he hasn't logged in again since he was last at yours so it's showing his last location, or perhaps he's turned off his location settings - who knows? I understand what you say about feeling vulnerable living rurally though. It's crossed my mind more than once that I'd be a bit wary of spending the night on my own at MrCs.

@Theworldcouldbemymollusc Number of irons on the go is difficult - just chatting I think the most I've "juggled" is 5. Dating it was 3. I cut one loose after 2 dates, then I had a slight overlap of a week between MrPlumber who I saw for 6 weeks (FWB) and MrC. After 2 dates with MrC I dropped MrPlumber, but we're still good friends and message each other/meet for coffee for a catch up.

@Crustaceans Great news about the house - feels like you can move on to the next stage now (whatever that is?!)

@kermitrulesok Sounds like you're being very supportive to MrTall. I'm shuffling up the bench to make room for you. Grin No hot dates for me other than seeing MrC on Saturday night - my ex is away so my lovely mum has said she'll have DD overnight, otherwise I wouldn't see him for a fortnight cries at the thought

Nowthefunbegins · 10/07/2019 12:26

@JeSuisPrest thanks, it was a lovely evening and we both have strong feelings for each other, however for various reasons it would never work for us. I’m sad this morning, but more accepting, and I’m glad I met up with him again. I have no plans for any further contact though. I’m not ready for dating again, I’ll see how I feel in a few months

Savoretti · 10/07/2019 12:55

@Nowthefunbegins
Sorry to hear that but hopefully it’s given you the closure you needed

@JeSuisPrest - I think of you and Mr C and it gives me hope Smile
In some ways it’s going to be easier as we only have my kids to juggle. Just depends if he can be accepting that I can’t see him loads....

He thinks I’m amazing that I booked Portugal Tri on a whim. To be honest it was my friends that persuaded me, so whatever happens I’ll still do it, just be nicer to share his hotel room than theirs Wink

Buttlersfreakishwrists · 10/07/2019 13:58

@LooUpdate

Thought I'd also add my thoughts on performance anxiety, given I suffer from it. Personally I don't like to term it erectile dysfunction, as I see it as something separate. There's nothing physically wrong with me. But unfortunately my mind likes to overthink things at the most inopportune moments.

Importantly from your perspective, it might be tough, but try not to see it as any reflection what so ever on yourself, apart from the fact that actually he is most likely quite into you. Personally, if I'm with someone I really like, I get a little voice in the back of my head which says 'don't screw this up now' repeatedly and end up overthinking things. If I'm on a ONS however, I'm much more relaxed and there is no issue. Also, if I got the impression that me suffering from performance anxiety was seen by the person I'm with as a reflection on them, there was little hope for me after that as I would go into a downwards spiral of anxiety.

Certainly don't ditch him if it happens again. What I would find is that the second time I had sex with someone after suffering from performance anxiety the first time, it was guaranteed to happen as the anxiety would be huge the second time. It wasn't until we'd been together a few times that I was able to start relaxing and getting over it.

In terms of what helps, here is what I've found:

  • Viagra. I'd been too embarrassed about it initially to do anything as constructive as going to a doctor which was stupid, but when Viagra got turned into an over the counter drug I bought some online. And it worked brilliantly. Even if I've been drinking, if I know that if I take a pill within 30 minutes there will be no issue. Often means that I can take one and then immediately stop worrying, removing the issue entirely.
  • Having a viagra on me/too hand but not actually taking it. Knowing that I've got a backup incase I have any issues arise relaxes me a lot meaning that I don't worry at all about it.
  • Talking about it with the person I'm with. Explaining that its 100% me and my mental block, that I can work through it but that putting any pressure on me just makes things worse helps
  • Talking about it with friends. Took me a while to summon up the courage to this one, but rose it with a very trusted friend recently who it turns out also suffers from it. Just knowing that actually it is way more common than you think helps massively as a large part of the anxiety stems from the fear that it is just you who suffers from this.

Unfortunately, most of those are things that he has to take upon himself. From the woman's perspective, the most important thing is to try and avoid turning it into a bigger issue than it is (which I appreciate can be difficult). But hopefully the following helps:

  • Firstly, recognise that performance anxiety is far more likely to occur when someone is emotionally invested in you.
  • Secondly, never put any pressure on someone suffering from it for them to get an erection in the here and now. Its fine (and helpful to discuss afterwards what the issues are, but in the moment, if its not happening, don't say something like 'is it because you're not attracted to me, or something similar, will just compound the problem).
  • Thirdly, recognise that if they are taking a tablet for it, it is simply to get around any mental block they may have. It isn't the case that if you take viagra you get an erection 30 minutes later that lasts for a couple of hours. If I were to take viagra and then go and do something everyday I wouldn't get an erection full stop. I still need to be sexually attracted to someone/sexually stimulated to get an erection.
  • Finally, talk about it. Note that you understand, its not a big problem at all, you're happy for him to deal with it how he sees best, that you recognise that as he becomes more comfortable/relaxed with you it will naturally go away etc

Unfortunately performance anxiety is something which is way more common that people think. And once it creeps up on you, its incredibly hard to shrug off as it will keep coming back to haunt you.

AverageGuy · 10/07/2019 14:26

Butlers great post. Very informative, and I recognise myself in it...

CassettesAreCool · 10/07/2019 14:30

Butler thank you for sharing that. I totally get what you mean about having the pill to hand means you don’t actually need to take it - I am the same with betablockers, just thinking about taking one of the little darlings brings my heart rate right down.

putastrawunderbaby · 10/07/2019 14:59

Can I ask how far people would travel to meet and how far away someone has to live before it becomes too far? I have 2 irons who both sound lovely but are an hour and a half away.

Lovemusic33 · 10/07/2019 15:24

My distance limit is one hour away but really even that is too far for me as I would rather have a relationship with someone who is local so they can randomly come over without planning too far ahead. So half an hour away or less is ideal. I have dated people 2 hours away and it just doesn’t work for me which is a shame as these tend to be the nicer guys.

MoreNiceCereal · 10/07/2019 15:37

40 minutes currently, which is probably the maximum. I live in a good sized city but seem to match up with country dwellers!

CassettesAreCool · 10/07/2019 15:44

40 minute drive absolute max I reckon

Crustaceans · 10/07/2019 15:53

I think the how far depends on where you live as much as personal preference. I set my distance to 10km because I live in a city and I’m too busy/lazy to travel. I did extend it due to lack of interest but then decided I wasn’t going to travel to a different town or city to meet anyone so it was pointless.

@JeSuisPrest Next steps ... well we’re going to talk properly (as in non-theoretically) about it. But I think we’ve pretty much decided that we’ll move in together (we need to sort some logistics for that).

We usually spend 12 nights out of every 14 together anyway these days. The kids all get on with both of us and each other. He has drunkenly told me that he plans to marry me (several times), so he’s definitely in it for the long haul. As am I. Honestly, I can totally see this as the main relationship of my life and the only one I’ll ever have again. Or at least, the only one I plan to have. That sounds really soppy and over-the-top. How ridiculous.

I guess that it means that we are no longer (or will shortly no longer be) ‘dating’.

Peanuthedz · 10/07/2019 15:56

@Crustaceans 🥰

Peanuthedz · 10/07/2019 15:57

I cannot imagine being in that situation with anyone ever. It's taken a lot for me to let someone even sleep here. Without the kids.... lovely though.

Crustaceans · 10/07/2019 16:09

I’m not sure I thought this is where I would be. Yet, here I am. Stupidly smitten. 😍

kerkyra · 10/07/2019 16:50

10 miles for me. I'm in the middle of nowhere with four small towns all 10miles away,so a bit of choice. Means twice a week meet up is easy.

putastrawunderbaby · 10/07/2019 16:54

@crustaceans that's just so lovely.....

Hmmmm I'm in a semirural area but an hour and a half is going to be difficult to sustain isn't it..... Why are the lovely ones so far away?!

CodLiverOil556 · 10/07/2019 17:26

I set my distance to 20 miles and luckily MrTall is 8 miles from me. When I can drive I'll go to him but as I'm off my feet he's been coming to me all the time. He seems to be happy with this though.

BatshitCrazyWoman · 10/07/2019 17:35

Aww Crustaceans that's lovely!

My mother's funeral is tomorrow. I'm struggling with all the contact with my father as I don't have a relationship with him really. Mr BC is coming to the funeral as I need the support - younger DC bringing his girlfriend and I will have elder DC (who has a severe learning disability) leaning on me hard. I need someone for me as I have no capacity for it all otherwise. Quite stressed because I'm mid house move as well - phase 1 done at the weekend, phase 2 (final phase) this weekend - Mr BC is being a star. Am totally smitten/loved up.

I have read the thread but not with it enough to comment on everyone's posts!