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still shaking - hve discoverd my instinct about the other woman was right

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hatingtoberight · 24/07/2007 07:12

Dh work colleague - I've had bad vibes abouther since day one. Iknew somethign ws brewing. I have just seen an email exhcnage between them from last night - she has obvioulsy had anr 'emotional outburst' with him yesterday and now he knows how she feels abouthim. Oh God - I so didn't want this to be right. They have to work together - how are they goign to do this? What on earth doI do next? sit by and watch it develop and hop e he sees sense? declare my hand and that I ws looking at his email? If i tell him I'm onto them - it won't necesarily stop it - it wil just be better covered up. He's been so nice recently - of COURSe he bloody has!

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CorporalCod · 24/07/2007 16:19

hell haev a leather jacket soon babesinthe wood - or a sportscar

babesinthewood · 24/07/2007 16:22

Cod-he already has a black leather jacket

CodAintUsingFairyNonBio · 24/07/2007 16:23

ssee
case proved

maturer · 24/07/2007 16:30

My dh's affair was most definately a mid life crisis- he was 40 at the time, we'd been together then 21 years (16 married) had 3 great kids and things weren't particularly bad in our relationship just very very busy.

He was facing redundancy and as the manager having to make about 200 people redundant to- not an excuse but part of the jigsaw as to why he "lost the plot" completely for a few months- nearly lost everything through it. He woke up just in time!

AttilaTheMeerkat · 24/07/2007 16:33

HTBR

You have been given some very good counsel here. I attach some information on emotional affairs as your DH seems to be well and truly in one such thing:-

For many people, the emotional affair is a great source of relief and comfort during relationship difficulties. But the danger is that there is a finite amount of intimate emotional energy to go around, and when one begins to regularly invest significant amounts of their emotional energy in someone outside the primary committed relationship, the primary relationship can be seriously compromised.

Frequently, an emotional affair will deepen through consistent contact through in-person discussion and/or numerous email and voice mail messages. There becomes an excitement and ease in hearing from the person. And when this type of relationship does lead to physical intimacy, it's often a little sex and a lot of talking. The sex may be intense and passionate, but it is the feeling of emotional safety and companionship that really fuels the bond at the deepest level.

This companionship can doom the primary relationship. Once the door of emotional intimacy has been opened and the bond deepens, the person having the emotional affair cannot help but compare. "It's so easy to talk to her, and so hard to talk to my spouse" is the common refrain. "My husband always complains and criticizes, but my friend is always there, always in a good mood, and always understands and listens to me." It is much easier to open up and feel safe in a superficial new friendship compared to a long-term committed relationship.

Your husband needs to answer these questions to you :

do I feel like it's easier to talk to my friend than my partner?
*

does my friend seem to understand me in a deeper way than my partner?
*

have I stopped confiding my deepest feelings and concerns with my partner and now turn to my friend for these needs?

He also needs to read this too:-
If you find yourself or your partner developing an emotional affair, you need to put your attention on your primary relationship as soon as possible. Get help to understand why you drifted to this other person in the first place. Begin the work of re-investing emotional energy in your primary relationship. Turning to someone else during a time of conflict or distance often is merely escaping and avoiding other issues which won't go away. And don't kid yourself: these same issues will resurface again should you develop a real relationship with your emotional affair partner. You may as well learn to deal with them now, before putting yourself and your partner through a terrible crisis.

TempestuousAffarNOT · 24/07/2007 16:38

Want to know what my DH did when he thought I was getting too close to somebody?
He said the following to me:
There is far too much contact, this is not normal behaviour even for a friendship, you should not need it, you have me. At the moment i sure as hell dont have YOU, and I feel that you and X are in a relationship and not me and you." Then he packed an overnight bag, turned off his mobile and left. His parting words were "If you TRY to call me unless it is a dire emergency I will NOT come back and this relationship is over."

Frontdoor banged shut. Car drove off into the night.

I was a shivering wreck. I broke it off immediately. It was nipped in the bud quite effectively by my DH.

StarryStarryNight · 24/07/2007 16:41

Good post there from Attila.

blueshoes · 24/07/2007 17:01

Hating, your dh wants to be caught. If he wanted to keep it secret, he would not be emailing from his home computer or allow her to email him at home. I don't make it a habit to read my dh's emails, but sometimes, I end up in the wrong folder. How did she get his home email anyway?

The kisses at the end of his emails sound suspect.

One of the key reasons for a workplace affair is opportunity. Talk to your dh - bring it out in the open. Don't let him moon on any further, without your image in his mind when he is with her.

Be strong. You have copies of the emails. Good. I hope you never go there, but in the event of divorce, you have a really good position. If I were you, I would start taking note of his assets (bank account numbers etc) before he knows you know. Just take note, in case. Protect your dcs. Good luck! I hope you can nip this in the bud.

americantrish · 24/07/2007 17:31

wow attila, where did you find that?

AttilaTheMeerkat · 24/07/2007 17:42

Hi americantrish,

Here:-
www.relationship-institute.com/freearticles_detail.cfm?article_ID=156

americantrish · 24/07/2007 17:43

thanks will check it out more once ds is in bed!

Leati · 24/07/2007 17:55

hatingtoberight

Insert yourself into his work life. Bake his office cookies and casually take them into the office. Be friendly and make friends with everyone he works with. Make it uncomfortable for him and her.

StarryStarryNight · 24/07/2007 18:00

I disagree with Leati. Dont ever give him the opportunity to think: "I wish she wasn't here". Not even once. He must NEVER think that. He must NEVER see his colleague whom I suppose he respect professionally next to his cookie baking wife....

If anything, get a babysitter, go to the gym, go to salsa classes. Go to the hairdresser, get a new wardrobe, act as if YOU are on the prowl, only your target is your husband....

eleusis · 24/07/2007 18:05

Bake? Oh dear, what will Xenia say?

I like the idea of meddling in his office life. Very good. But, not the baking part.

Frankly, if this was my DH, I'd serve him his walking papers (unless he's innocent). But, this does look like a case of "where there's smoke, there's fire"

Leati · 24/07/2007 18:10

eleusis,

I see your point about the baking part.

Dior · 24/07/2007 18:11

Message withdrawn

purplepoppet · 24/07/2007 18:14

I agree...don't go near the office, hold you're head high and remain dignified..stay away from her and the office at this point.

CodAintUsingFairyNonBio · 24/07/2007 18:14

pleas eno baking
i htink HTBR doens want ot come across as mad "martha stewart weilding a grater" type.

very good abotu the realtions hipa dvice
i think the overnight bag hting is great tbh

hatingtoberight · 24/07/2007 18:24

ok no bakin g - promise!
Thank you all. h eis on his way homenoe. I couldn't resist ringing him at the ed of the day when I knew they'd be together. I got hime to give me a tiem when he will be home - so he has to leave on time tonight.
I do think it coudl be a mid life thing. I am canny enough to start thinking about money and stuff -but I am hopin ghta it's just a silly thing that's got ourt of hand and he wil stop it.

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CountessDracula · 24/07/2007 18:25

good well done
Are you going to confront him or bide your time do you think?

hatingtoberight · 24/07/2007 18:27

am goign to bide my time tonight - I need to see what has develpoed today after her emotioanl outburst yesterday. I fear I will be up in the early hours checking emails. adn maybe asking him to come home early tomorrow ...or maybe not. May be it will all befine.

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Turquoise · 24/07/2007 18:27

I think the advice on hanging fire for a day or two to see what develops is good.

Definitely print yourself a copy of the emails though.

Can you casually ask for the CD, to put on your Ipod, and then expand the conversation about her - to see how he reacts? But only do that if you think you can disguise your own feelings enough not to let it all burst out - tomorrow's emails should tell you quite a lot I should think.

crayon · 24/07/2007 18:45

How horrible for you. You sound as though you are being very sensible and self controlled though. Well done & take care.

ggglimpopo · 24/07/2007 18:46

I think if push comes to shove, Tempestafarnots post is brilliant - no pleading and running mascara shite, just lay it on the line and frighten the shit out of him.

You are very cool being able to keep your mouth shut with him this evening. Respect.

OrmIrian · 24/07/2007 19:01

best of luck htbr. I'm sure trying to remain calm is the best policy. But hard to do.