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Advice for managing PIL with new baby

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WishingILivedOnAnIsland · 25/05/2019 06:33

My PIL are challenging people to get along with. When displeased they rant and scold, recite lists of hurtful personal comments on a loop, repeatedly threaten to cut DH out of their lives and have even thrown physical tantrums (dropping themselves on the floor sobbing). It can be over very small things and it is absolutely exhausting. They are easily offended and constantly feuding with someone or other. They have cut multiple family members permanently out of their lives.

We moved nearer to them when DC2 was born and found them overwhelming. They would show up multiple times a week uninvited and stay for hours while DH was at work. I had PNA for about 5 months after DC2 was born and unfortunately DH told them about it. They would repeatedly do things to our newborn (eg holding her up over their heads or kissing her when they were sick) that they’d been told triggered my anxiety. They since told DH that they’ve made a point of not following my requests in relation to DC because ‘if we had she would have just kept telling us what to do’ and anyway why should they listen to someone ‘mentally ill and irrational’.

I recovered completely from PNA a long time ago but they still constantly (as in, multiple times within a single conversation) refer to me as ‘mentally ill’ and ‘irrational’ and try to convince DH he shouldn’t allow me a say in decisions.

After trying for a long time to please them, I went LC about 1 year ago. My stepping back infuriated them and they have been compulsively criticising everything about me since. They actively hate me now. I cannot be in the room without at least one of them glaring/ pouting/ refusing to look at me when I speak-and sadly this behaviour is a best case scenario as we are always afraid of a massive scene. It’s really unpleasant and I am increasingly concerned about DC picking up on the dynamic as they get older.

I will give birth to DC3 soon. My counsellor said that PIL were a significant factor in worsening my PNA last time. My relationship with PIL has obviously soured since then so I expect they’ll be worse. They will likely demand a lot of bonding time with the new baby and DH will want to try to satisfy them in the hope of preventing theatrics. Basically I am dreading it and trying to think of how to protect myself emotionally during the newborn phase.

DH is a good man, a wonderful father and supportive to me in every other way. He is very intelligent but has a blind spot when it comes to his parents. He sometimes just goes along with what they say and want without considering if it’s reasonable. He tries hard to please them and is scared of their threats to cut him off. He respects my decision to be LC on some levels but also asks me to be ‘the bigger person’ by being relentlessly nice and accomodating to them no matter how they treat me.

I don’t want to be separated from my BF newborn so they can see her without me, which is what they will be expecting. However I am also worried about being pressured into contact with PIL while I am exhausted, hormonal and sensitive. I am concerned that I am at risk of another bout of PNA and I feel really stuck.

I want to sit DH down soon and agree on a plan for the newborn period ahead of time.

So my question (thanks if you made it this far!): what is reasonable in terms of PIL’s involvement here? What rules/limits/boundaries am I within my rights to ask for? Any tips or advice?

TLDR: PIL are hard work - tips / rules for managing them around new baby?

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ContessaIsOnADietDammit · 25/05/2019 06:37

A bit short notice, but any chance you can move further away?!

WishingILivedOnAnIsland · 25/05/2019 06:41

@ContessaIsOnADietDammit I would love to and have lobbied for it many times with DH. There is family history with PIL and our house which I think is part of the problem.

But DH wants to work on the relationship with his parents and sees moving away as giving up on them.

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ClariceBeansUncle · 25/05/2019 06:48

Hi, this sounds horrendous. Is there any chance that you and your husband could have some counselling/see a mediator because he needs to wake up to the fact that what he is asking you to do is utterly utterly unreasonable. Your feelings are coming bottom of the list, while he is busy feeding the beast that is his parents' behaviour. As MN always says, this is a DH problem. Hope you can somehow get him out of the FOG.

Seniorschoolmum · 25/05/2019 06:53

There are some things you can control. So do not answer the door to them when your dh is at work. Take the battery out. They do not have any right to just show up.
I found that a sling was very useful when my ds was tiny. If ds was snoozing in sling there was no reason to disturb him by taking him out.

If things got too much I would go for a walk with ds. All sorts of supportive justifications, “he’s asleep”, “he’s happy where he is thanks”, carrying ds is good for losing baby weight”.

I wouldn’t mention anxiety again if they are not supportive. It is none of their business.

And let them hold baby shortly before a feed is due. Your LO will make it quite clear who he wants. Smile

You do NOT need to be the bigger person if they are making you ill.

ConstanzaAndSalieri · 25/05/2019 06:58

Sorry, you have hysterical PILs who do stuff they shouldn’t do like kissing babies when sick, call you mentally unstable... and you’re the crazy one?

They wouldn’t be seeing any of my children unless they could behave. And if be tempted to extend the same invitation to DH. The next few months are about you.

LunaTheCat · 25/05/2019 07:00

They sound horrendous! The real issue here though is not them - it is between you and your husband as he is frightened of them - is he afraid missing out on an inheritance. He probably is bound up with them because that’s how he has been during his growing up.
See if he can agree to counselling - with someone different from your counsellor.
Take care of yourself and new baby.
Best wishes 💐

kidsmakesomuchwashing · 25/05/2019 07:04

The fave phrase on MN - you don't have a PIL problem you have a DH problem! He needs to take your side.

WishingILivedOnAnIsland · 25/05/2019 07:06

@ClariceBeansUncle

DH did go twice to a counsellor after PIL had been particularly horrible to him. They basically made a dramatic show of disowning him (put all his childhood possessions in a box and gave it to him) and he was devastated. But he went to the counselllor to ask about advice to mend his relationship with his parents, and the counsellor basically gave him tips for mending relationships after conflict and told him if he wanted to have a relationship with his parents then he needed to lower his expectations of their behaviour and 'accept them for who they are.' and he's taken that to heart. I'm also not sure what DH told the counsellor as he tends to skim over a lot of their mean behaviour or pretend he didn't notice it.

I would like DH to go again on his own. I am also thinking I would like him to come to an appointment with my counsellor and I. But his parents are constantly emotionally blackmailing him and I don't want to do the same. If my counsellor said to him 'you need to give up your parents for your wife's mental health' then I feel like that's emotional blackmail and really unfair to him.

We've asked PIL to attend family relationship counselling with us many times but they have refused. They think all their behaviour is absolutely warranted and that I am the problem.

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WishingILivedOnAnIsland · 25/05/2019 07:12

@LunaTheCat We won't receive an inheritance from them either way, so that's not an issue. He is afraid of not having a relationship with his parents.

I've made it sound like they are ranting and raving constantly. But if it is just DH and DC visiting them they can chat happily about football, their hobbies, Game of Thrones, politics etc. MIL knits cute things for DC and plays on the floor with them. If DH can steer the conversation away from anything to do with me, they can have a normal 'happy' visit.

They are able to be nice and friendly- as long as everything is on their terms and they are made to feel important.

So if DH let them cut him off, he'd lose a relationship which can often feel good and comfortable and normal. there is always an undercurrent tension due to the threat of them blowing up, but DH has had over 30 years to get used to that, and to him that is normal family life.

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EdtheBear · 25/05/2019 07:12

I know this is easier said than done but can you breastfeed? Perfect excuse not to be seperated from baby. My DC2 was a bottle refuser not to mention expressing is hard work.

I'd agree moving, and counselling are the way forward.
You say ILs are constantly threatening to cut DH out, but were infuriated when you went LC.
Does he really believe they'd actually cut him out? He needs to see it's highly unlikely to happen. Their own want / need to be involved will prevent it.

WishingILivedOnAnIsland · 25/05/2019 07:15

@kidsmakesomuchwashing

Firstly- I agree with your name! How the heck do the tiny people in my house make more washing than a football team?

DH really is wonderful. But they have so much influence over him that he doesn't see the situation clearly. I honestly don't know how to speak to him about it.

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llangennith · 25/05/2019 07:15

They wouldn't be setting foot in my home again! Your DH can see them elsewhere and they wouldn't be seeing my DC until they changed they ways.
Yes, your biggest problem is your weak husband.

AlwaysCheddar · 25/05/2019 07:19

I would not be answering the door if they came round and husband was out. They are nasty and you don’t need to deal with them.

WishingILivedOnAnIsland · 25/05/2019 07:22

@EdtheBear

100% intend to breastfeed if it's physically possible and I've never had any luck expressing so that should hopefully buy me some time. However last time DH did take exclusively breastfed baby to their home and overstayed past her due feed because PIL wanted a longer visit. My breasts were exploding when he sheepishly returned was one of the rare times I really scolded DH. I won't allow him to take the breastfed baby to them again.

He has reason to be scared of being cut off. They have cut off other immediate family members in the past. They've said they would have cut us off by now but for wanting a relationship with our children. At one point they said they didn't want to see us anymore and demanded we drop DC off every week so that they can have visitation rights. they even visited a family law clinic expecting to receive advice about their legal rights to access to GC but must have been told that they had none.

We gave them a very clear no to having weekly unsupervised access, and then they relented and are willing to see DH again.

DH was relieved.

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magicBrenda · 25/05/2019 07:23

I’ve good a great solution -

You leave your DH.

He has lowered his expectation so he expects you to do the same - regardless what effect it has on you.

Ive gone NC with my mil, DH fully supports that. He is in low contact because he just can’t close the door on her but that’s ok because he fully recognises that I shouldn’t have to endure his mother. He recognises that her behaviour effected my mental health so is is happy to support a ban of his mother coming to my home. I have a safe space from her.

Your DH doesn’t give two shits about you.

magicBrenda · 25/05/2019 07:25

Well I missed your last post. Is this really about money your dh expects to inherit?

WishingILivedOnAnIsland · 25/05/2019 07:29

@magicBrenda

It sounds like your DH is really supportive. I'm sorry you also have awful PIL Thanks

If I left DH my DC would be far more exposed to PIL than they are now. Now I am able to moderate it. I am able to help DH see things like 'it's not ok for them to yell at us front of DC and we need to tell them that' and he does. I said I will never allow them to babysit or be alone with DC and he supported me in that. If I left him, I would not have any influence over the DC time with him and he would probably do a lot more of what PIL want without me there to intervene.

Also I genuinely love DH, and he is a wonderful husband in every other way.

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WishingILivedOnAnIsland · 25/05/2019 07:30

@magicBrenda no inheritance whether we have a relationship with them or not. Money is not a factor.

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tomatosalt · 25/05/2019 07:31

Short term I would just act shocked and confused at any suggestion PILs spend time with new baby without you. Remain consistent and very firm with DH - PILs behaviour triggered PNA last time and they’re not willing to change so they can’t be around new baby, especially not without you.
Longer term you need some kind of joint counselling or your marriage is over. Your DH is putting your feelings and needs at the bottom of his list of priorities.

WishingILivedOnAnIsland · 25/05/2019 07:34

@llangennith

They are currently not welcome in our home. DH takes the children to them to visit.

I will only see them in a public place at the moment (cafe, park) etc because they don't tend to create massive scenes in public, and also its easier to pick up DC and leave a cafe than it is to leave their home or tell them to leave ours.

DH has supported me in this but when the baby is here they will want to visit and DH will want to enable this.

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aweedropofsancerre · 25/05/2019 07:34

sadly your PIL are toxic and emotionally abusive individuals. Your both allowing your DC to be around toxic individuals who bad mouth there DM so this is normal to them now. You developed PND, have been advised they contributed to it and your now anxious about baby no 3 and your DH is not supporting you as his priority is maintaining his relationship with them. He is not putting you or your DC first.

Aberforthsgoat · 25/05/2019 07:39

Even if you don’t intend to leave him I think you need to shock him into sense. Tell him about the strain it’s putting on your marriage and how you genuinely feel like you don’t know where you’ll be in the years to come if things carry on as they are.

magicBrenda · 25/05/2019 07:40

Also I genuinely love DH, and he is a wonderful husband in every other way

So why can you not say - ‘this is not for me. I love you but I don’t to be around your parents’ ?

Your worrying about the effect it will have on your husband rather than him worrying about what his parents are actively doing to you.

These are not your parents and you don’t have to endure this.

My dc see mil about once every six weeks - if that. I’ve seen my mil emotionally black mail a grandchild of hers so I don’t allow her to build such a relationship with mine.

You do have power over yourself here, you also get to say where your kids go. These people are his problem. If he wants to still be tangled in their head fuck - leave him to it but he doesn’t have to drag you along for the ride. It’s selfish of him

FogCutter · 25/05/2019 07:47

Your DH is allowing his parents to bully and abuse you with no consequences for them.

You need to tell him this is not ok, you are his wife and he should be protecting and supporting you, not condoning someone bullying you.

If it was a friend or colleague bullying you he wouldn't be cosying up to them and letting his kids hang out with them - shouldn't put up with bullying behaviour just cos it's coming from his parents.

HumpHumpWhale · 25/05/2019 07:50

God love you both, you're in such a difficult situation. Your husband is the victim of long term emotional abuse and that's why he's being so useless.
I think you need to talk to him again. Ask him how he would feel about his kids spending time with people who spoke to and about them the way his parents do about and to you. I have found that while DH might not be able to see he needs to protect himself, when you put it in terms of the kids he can see it. Then tell him you are really worried they're going to try to come over to see the new baby, and that you cannot be expected to put up with that treatment when you are at your most vulnerable. Ask him to agree that nothing will change in terms of your current arrangements. They should not be welcome in your house - and anyone who doesn't hand your baby back the second you ask doesn't get to see baby.

I think that he will eventually realise NC is the only answer. My ILs are nowhere near this bad but MIL is narcissistic and both are very very critical. It has taken years for DH to be able to see it's not ok and start setting boundaries. It's been so painful for him to realise and admit to himself how bad things are. The therapist is right that he can't change them but that doesn't mean abuse is ok or that either of you have to put up with it. Keep trying to help him realise that. I want to hug you both, you poor things.

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