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Forced to spend insane amount on wedding..Should I marry him? Feeling torn.

383 replies

sakurawarrior · 28/04/2019 07:50

Ok, this is going to be a long post so I need to apologise - but I want to explain as thoroughly as I can. I'm not a mum but I wanted some sensible advice.

I'm in my late twenties. Four years ago I met my bf on the internet. After a year of a long distance relationship, I emigrated to the country he was living in to be with him. I know, that sounds nuts. A huge step. Needless to say, I was infatuated with him.

My history - Before him, I had two previous relationships. The first one when I was 16. I suspect now he was personality disordered. He 10 timed me and beat the shit out of me, then impregnated a married woman 20 years older than him. Needless to say, that damaged me and it took a year or two to recover. The next relationship lasted 5 years. I left him in the end because he kept binge drinking, slapped me across the face when I asked him to do something and a few other abusive incidents (he wasn't a complete psycho like the last one but less than perfect).

So anyway, back my present bf. He is Asian and thus came with some cultural baggage. His parents live in his home country and always expected him to have an arranged marriage. After we'd been together several months he told them he met me and he wants to be with me. They were extremely upset and disapproving and came up with a whole litany of reasons why I was a bad idea - I wouldn't be understanding of their culture, I would divorce him after a couple of years, I didn't hold a masters degree, my degree subject wasn't prestigious enough, westerners have no morals or values, we wouldn't suit each other... on and on it went.

He told me that he would stay in a relationship with me as long as possible, but couldn't marry me without their approval. He said the shame his parents would face would ruin their lives and the people around them would bully them and gossip making their lives a misery. He said we could only marry with their approval. But if by the time he got to 29 years old the social pressure to marry is too great, and if they didn't accept by then he would be forced to leave me. Of course, I hated this, but I tried to understand from his perspective because I loved him so much.

Fast forward two years and they have finally accepted with a condition. The wedding has to happen according to their customs, in their home country, and me and my parents must contribute to half the costs, which would come to an insane 20 grand. They will not compromise on this and bf has said he will leave me for an arranged marriage otherwise. Me and my parents could scrape together this amount of money but it just seems so wrong to spend this much on a wedding and to be forced to, as well. bf said his parents are compromising so much as they don't want me as a DIL at all, so now me and my parents need to compromise with spending the money and doing it their way.

I'm so conflicted I feel torn up inside. I feel like I don't know what to do anymore. My dad suggested that the money should be used as a house deposit instead of a wedding, and his parents got really offended by this, saying it's not about the money but about carrying out all the customs and traditions, and spending that amount of money is the only way it can be done.
My dad also thought I should ditch him on the principle that he would ultimately leave me if things came to that. There's a part of me that feels he is right, but I also have to understand my bf and his parent's POV. Holding some many conflicting views in my mind and so many shades of grey is driving me insane, frankly.

I've been reading through some of MN posts and I see the tendency to advocate leaving the relationship rather than staying. Honestly from the start our relationship has had huge strain because of these problems and my MH has naturally taken a hit. I've seen a number of therapists even one from his background - they didn't have an answer about the culture thing but said he is bordering emotionally abusive to me. (If he is annoyed at me he tends to give me the silent treatment, not at all great and the one problem in our relationship apart from the marriage issue).

I want a fresh perspective on this all. I don't know what to do. Any advice greatly appreciated. Tysm if you made it through this post.

OP posts:
furryleopard · 28/04/2019 08:22

If you come away from the cultural issues you're saying you'd marry this man because he is 'kind, mostly'. And that is quite sad. Marriage is a partnership, you need to know the person you are marrying can support you kindly and equally through thick and thin. I'm not sure this is the case here. If you were my daughter I'd be advising you to walk away.

00100001 · 28/04/2019 08:22

"they want a DIL in a high powered job, actually"

And what do YOU want?

He is being controlling .
Otherwise why would he day he will leave you unless you do exactly as he (and his parents) say?

Try telling him that unless you have a traditional English marriage, you will leave him and if he he doesn't understand it gets upset, tell him it's your culture and this is the only way your parents will accept him. And btw his parents have to pay for half.

Think that would go down well? Or would he go silent and get all angry?

Just leave him. Who wants to live life with a "mostly" kind man, just because you think you're leaving it too late???

You've got another 60+ years in you yet. Better to be happy for those 60 years than be in an unhappy marriage, part of a family that will never accept you and to a man that is an emotionally abusive cunt.

C0untDucku1a · 28/04/2019 08:22

Run. Run like the wind. Keep running. Run all the way to counselling for yourself.

7yo7yo · 28/04/2019 08:23

You’d be a fool to stay in a relationship like this.
It’s only the beginning of their wants and demands.
You’ll give them the money then they’ll want more and more and the wedding probably won’t happen anyway.
And if you have kids they won’t let them leave the country so you’ll be stuck there for years.
The problem is you’ve had a couple of really bad relationships so this semi bad relationship doesn’t seem as bad in comparison. But it is.

Propertywoes · 28/04/2019 08:23

Just because he hasn't hit you doesnt mean he's not just as abusive as the previous relationships. Mental abuse can be just as bad. How can you love someone who is so in thrall to his parents? Come back to your home country and use your money to set yourself up there. He doesn't love you enough. Or at all.

Propertywoes · 28/04/2019 08:23

Google the sunken costs fallacy.

sakurawarrior · 28/04/2019 08:24

Thank you for all your honest replies... this might sound ridiculous but I'm shocked at how everyone thinks I'm being abused. I guess...wood for the trees on my part? I really don't perceive myself as a victim. I'm always too worried about everyone else Confused .

Just want to make it clear that I am living in another western country atm with him and we would just be going back to his home country for the wedding, not to live.

OP posts:
itbemay1 · 28/04/2019 08:25

This

My dad also thought I should ditch him on the principle that he would ultimately leave me if things came to that

Tinyteatime · 28/04/2019 08:25

This sounds like a nightmare op. Get out now. It doesn’t sound like love at all.

speakout · 28/04/2019 08:25

Get out now OP.

Run for the hills.

ineedaholidaynow · 28/04/2019 08:25

If you have children with him you will then be tied to that country if you want to stay with the children, even if you split up with him. Could you cope with that?

I could never be in a relationship where there are such high cultural expectations especially when it is not my culture. You will never have a say in anything

Lindy2 · 28/04/2019 08:26

This marriage will not work.
His parents will dictate every part of your life and he will go along with them. You will always be second place.
I wouldn't and couldn't live like that.
Leave now. If he loves you he will compromise, but sadly I don't think he does or will.

BogglesGoggles · 28/04/2019 08:26

I would also like to point out that ‘cultural pressures’ translates to not being able to cope with the gossip about the white DIL. I come from a culture when marriage with outsiders is very looked down upon. My parents would never presume to care (they’re intelligent educated people) but many parents beat their children or disinherit them if they try to marry someone not from the race. It’s nothing to do with culture and everythingto do eothsmall mindedness and bigotry. This will extend to how your children are raised. I had near strangers telling me that I should circumcise my children. It’s all god and well for me because I have self esteem but if I was like your DP and his parents my poor boys would be mutilated. Don’t Barry someone so weak who comes from such a common family.

tinstar · 28/04/2019 08:26

Try telling him that unless you have a traditional English marriage, you will leave him and if he he doesn't understand it gets upset, tell him it's your culture and this is the only way your parents will accept him. And btw his parents have to pay for half.

^^

This. Insist you have your wedding in the uk. That will spare his parents their 'social humiliation'. And tell him any dcs will be born in the UK too.

Mummyoflittledragon · 28/04/2019 08:26

Oh you sound so sad. You’ve compromised so much already. Sold yourself short for so many years to remain with a man, who promised to dump you to marry someone else. Wasted your best years on a man, who is over and over again choosing his family over someone he says he wants as a life partner but but but.

There is no such thing as the mystical perfect man. However there are many decent and caring men out there, who treat you as an equal. It’s about time to appreciate that you are worth more than this.

I agree with your father, I agree with the consensus. You have gone from one emotionally abusive relationship to another. It’s time to go home to your family, regroup, use the money you’ve saved by not marrying this man to find yourself, who you are and give yourself the love you crave from others. Basically you need time being separate to be able to find a good partner.

saraclara · 28/04/2019 08:27

Yes, the huge wedding IS a cultural thing. Bye what's more worrying is that he's prepared to leave you if you don't comply. I world never be prepared to ask my parents for that sort of money, to pacify the other parents. And I do feel that his parents will dictate everything about your family life. Because that's cultural too.

Are you prepared to be subsumed into that culture, and to not be allowed your own decisions?
I'm not criticising the culture itself, btw. Just making sure you understand what it will mean for you, and how much control his parents will have over your life. The daughter in law in many cultures, has very little say in anything. This may well be just the start. Also he doesn't sound great, and it doesn't seem like he'll take your side in the future.

Mother87 · 28/04/2019 08:27

The whole scenario sounds hazardous to your mental health/serenity and the future of you and any children you may have. You and they will totally trapped in a 'benign dictatorship' led by his family and culture.
Some of this seems to stem from your self-esteem issues - why would you want/wait/hope to be 'accepted' by someone/anyone?? It's for YOU to decide who YOU want to be with and who YOU want to accept on YOUR terms.

This situation you're in is already injurious to you - and it will ONLY be exacerbated by marriage... it sounds hideously unfulfilling and totally skewed in favour of him/his family. And whilst NOT essential for any longterm relationship - there seems to be a total absence of fun/warmth/laughter/shared hopes and dreams... Your dad's right...

Mummaofmytribe · 28/04/2019 08:28

Your dad is right.
Plus, if you have children, what happens then?
You'll be trapped. You would never be able to leave with them if you wanted to.
Please come home.
You're disliked by the family, your partner will only "agree" to marry you with strict financial conditions.
If you can't do it for your own self respect and safety, do it for your dad. Why the hell should he have to hand over that huge sum of money??
Please untangle yourself.

WhiteVixen · 28/04/2019 08:28

You have gone from one abusive relationship to another to another. You need to come back to the UK and complete the Freedom program to help free yourself from this pattern of abuse.
Just because he is ‘kind mostly’ doesn’t mean he’s not abusive. The silent treatment he gives you, the fact he is so willing to break up with you and have an arranged marriage if you don’t do what he and his family are telling you to do, why on earth would you want to live under their control? I would rather be alone and happy with myself than stuck in such a relationship.

MrsMozartMkII · 28/04/2019 08:30

I think OP, from your responses, that you're going to do this anyway.

I work a lot with Asian folk. Some really good people, but their view with regards to this situation, where the groom to be hasn't taken control (as a PP said), is that you'll be less than. Your onion will count for nowt. It makes me sad and angry that anyone should live such a life.

Karigan195 · 28/04/2019 08:30

Problem is that here you aren’t just marrying him. You are marrying them too. He clearly just does what mum and dad say. I appreciate the cultural issues and shame but he’s hardly helping at all is he!

AnotherEmma · 28/04/2019 08:30

You are in yet another abusive relationship.
Read "Why does he do that?" by Lundy Bancroft and do the Freedom Programme.
Oh and don't marry him, obviously.

Quartz2208 · 28/04/2019 08:31

Op if even therapists are saying it’s emotionally abusive then it certainly is.

This is affecting your mental health it’s not good and it won’t stop with the wedding

To be honest with the money and the job they see you as a cash cow

acomingin · 28/04/2019 08:31

OP, another voice telling you to run. His family will expect to dictate your entire marriage if you let them do this. They will tell you how to rear your children and how a good wifey behaves.

It would be different if he was prepared to marry you whatever but he doesn't love you enough.

Run

Mother87 · 28/04/2019 08:32

What Tinstar and nearl ALL other posters have said... you can't defend the obviously indefensible... And drag your poor parents into this??