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Forced to spend insane amount on wedding..Should I marry him? Feeling torn.

383 replies

sakurawarrior · 28/04/2019 07:50

Ok, this is going to be a long post so I need to apologise - but I want to explain as thoroughly as I can. I'm not a mum but I wanted some sensible advice.

I'm in my late twenties. Four years ago I met my bf on the internet. After a year of a long distance relationship, I emigrated to the country he was living in to be with him. I know, that sounds nuts. A huge step. Needless to say, I was infatuated with him.

My history - Before him, I had two previous relationships. The first one when I was 16. I suspect now he was personality disordered. He 10 timed me and beat the shit out of me, then impregnated a married woman 20 years older than him. Needless to say, that damaged me and it took a year or two to recover. The next relationship lasted 5 years. I left him in the end because he kept binge drinking, slapped me across the face when I asked him to do something and a few other abusive incidents (he wasn't a complete psycho like the last one but less than perfect).

So anyway, back my present bf. He is Asian and thus came with some cultural baggage. His parents live in his home country and always expected him to have an arranged marriage. After we'd been together several months he told them he met me and he wants to be with me. They were extremely upset and disapproving and came up with a whole litany of reasons why I was a bad idea - I wouldn't be understanding of their culture, I would divorce him after a couple of years, I didn't hold a masters degree, my degree subject wasn't prestigious enough, westerners have no morals or values, we wouldn't suit each other... on and on it went.

He told me that he would stay in a relationship with me as long as possible, but couldn't marry me without their approval. He said the shame his parents would face would ruin their lives and the people around them would bully them and gossip making their lives a misery. He said we could only marry with their approval. But if by the time he got to 29 years old the social pressure to marry is too great, and if they didn't accept by then he would be forced to leave me. Of course, I hated this, but I tried to understand from his perspective because I loved him so much.

Fast forward two years and they have finally accepted with a condition. The wedding has to happen according to their customs, in their home country, and me and my parents must contribute to half the costs, which would come to an insane 20 grand. They will not compromise on this and bf has said he will leave me for an arranged marriage otherwise. Me and my parents could scrape together this amount of money but it just seems so wrong to spend this much on a wedding and to be forced to, as well. bf said his parents are compromising so much as they don't want me as a DIL at all, so now me and my parents need to compromise with spending the money and doing it their way.

I'm so conflicted I feel torn up inside. I feel like I don't know what to do anymore. My dad suggested that the money should be used as a house deposit instead of a wedding, and his parents got really offended by this, saying it's not about the money but about carrying out all the customs and traditions, and spending that amount of money is the only way it can be done.
My dad also thought I should ditch him on the principle that he would ultimately leave me if things came to that. There's a part of me that feels he is right, but I also have to understand my bf and his parent's POV. Holding some many conflicting views in my mind and so many shades of grey is driving me insane, frankly.

I've been reading through some of MN posts and I see the tendency to advocate leaving the relationship rather than staying. Honestly from the start our relationship has had huge strain because of these problems and my MH has naturally taken a hit. I've seen a number of therapists even one from his background - they didn't have an answer about the culture thing but said he is bordering emotionally abusive to me. (If he is annoyed at me he tends to give me the silent treatment, not at all great and the one problem in our relationship apart from the marriage issue).

I want a fresh perspective on this all. I don't know what to do. Any advice greatly appreciated. Tysm if you made it through this post.

OP posts:
sackrifice · 28/04/2019 08:09

The reason that people recommend leaving on here, is because so many times women are in abusive relationships and we can see it as clear as day when they finally post.

You have walked straight into another abusive and coercive relationship and your dad is right.

azulmariposa · 28/04/2019 08:09

In your boyfriends culture is sex before marriage something that isn't allowed?
If so then he's probably using you for sex, until he gets his "proper" wife. The whole malarkey with the wedding is just an excuse to get rid of you. He's already said that he would have an arranged marriage by a certain age, and his family aren't accepting of you and the relationship. How do you think your life will be if you have children with this man? If you ever want to leave, you won't be able to take the kids with you.

Listen to your dad.
You are in another controlling relationship, and when you marry and become his property, it will just get worse.

Veterinari · 28/04/2019 08:09

Your boyfriend is manipulating and controlling you into this situation.

He is prioritising his parents over you - how on earth can a marriage succeed if he diesn’t Prioritise you as his partner?

Please don’t spend your savings and trap yourself in a country with people who have no respect for you.
Leave, listen to your dad

And please seek psychological help for yourself - you need to get to the bottom of why you keep choosing abusive men. Have a look at
freedomprogramme.co.uk/

Rosielily · 28/04/2019 08:11

Not only are they controlling you, they're controlling your parents too (or trying to). Walk away.

Honeydukes92 · 28/04/2019 08:11

Omg OP. I’m 27 and had been in two abusive relationships prior to my now DH. (One resulting in my ex being jailed 😞) So Reading this I really felt we had a lot in common.

...but my god the more I read the more nervous and upset I became for you. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don’t marry this man!!!! You can’t see what an abusive relationship this is! Just because he’s not hitting you doesn’t mean he’s a nice guy!

After DMV your standards drop lower than others and you think that if someone isn’t beating you then they’re a catch! I promise you this guy is emotionally/psychologically abusive and once you marry him and enter this home country nobody will be able to help you!!! RUN

My best friend had this exact situation happen with an American guy last year. He was in, what can only be described as a religious cult but had come to the UK to study.

Anyway after three years of:
‘My parents can’t accept you.’
‘You don’t understand our customs’
‘The church elders say you can’t come to X event’
‘If I marry you I can never reach the X tier of heaven because you’re the wrong religion’

She STILL went out there to marry him. I don’t know why she thought it would be any better once they were married- anyway, she got so much shit from his reclusive religious community that she actually came home before the wedding and thank god she did!

Please don’t marry this man!

FloatingthroughSpace · 28/04/2019 08:11

You are being treated as inferior, but tolerated if you can stump up enough cash. That is no way to live. Your in laws will never really accept you. Any children you have, you won't be allowed to influence or be a real mixed culture family as the mutual respect simply isn't there.

If you were living in the UK and your partner was black African, and your parents were saying his culture is inferior and immoral but if you absolutely must marry him it must be a completely British wedding with no African elements and his parents must pay half, would you tell your fiance that you will go along with this since your parents are accepting the shame of a black African son in law, and if he couldn't do it you will leave him for a nice British boy? No because it would be completely unacceptable and hugely racist on both your parents parts, and yours.. IF your partner was shouting from the rooftops that he MUST marry you whatever his parents say and he doesn't care about what they think or say, I would say go ahead. But you haven't got a hope of ever being a truly equal wife or mother in this family, and there is no happy ending to this story I'm afraid.

sakurawarrior · 28/04/2019 08:12

Thanks for the replies.

Asdfghjklll - Yes I want to marry him and start a family. He is kind, mostly. But not perfect. I understand your point but I feel like I don't have time to find a mystical, perfect man with everything just how I want.

00100001 - He's not religious and no one is ever going to ask me to give up a career, they want a DIL in a high powered job, actually. But your point is taken - I don't know in what ways they will interfere in the future.

HermioneWeasley - Is it really controlling and abusive? I think it's difficult for us to appreciate the cultural pressures on their side is huge. I explained in my OP that his parents would experience utter social humiliation if things aren't done in a certain way. He doesn't want that to happen to them, that's why he is seeming "controlling".

OP posts:
nrpmum · 28/04/2019 08:13

Marriage should be a partnership, not a dictatorship. Leave before your life is no longer your own.

flowery · 28/04/2019 08:13

Your boyfriend said he’d leave you if your parents don’t fork out £20k for a wedding?

If someone is saying they’ll only stay with you if you pay out large sums of money, they don’t love you nearly enough for you to marry them, or spend a single extra day with them.

sakurawarrior · 28/04/2019 08:14

azulmariposa No he is most indefinitely NOT using me for that, although I'm sure it happens.

OP posts:
AndItStillSaidFourOfTwo · 28/04/2019 08:16

OP, it's better to be alone than badly accompanied.

breadmix · 28/04/2019 08:16

Let me guess - they'll decide what you wear on your wedding, who / what to gift/ who you invite etc, etc. I've seen this story play out before. I'm Asian btw. It's not like this with all Asian families of course but you've ended up with one of those families.

The controlling will continue. Your partner will always pressure you even if he doesn't agree with his parents because some Asian parents can be utterly relentless. If you choose to have children, it most definitely will continue with them. It will drain you emotionally. For years. On and on.

My advice- go in with your eyes wide open - it's gonna be a rocky ride.

Ylvamoon · 28/04/2019 08:16

I agree, come home! Stay away from any contact for a few weeks / mounts. Than you can make a rational decision about your future.
You soon find out that he doesn't love you, this is all an elaborate scam. Your parents don't have 20k ... neither do his.

FrancisCrawford · 28/04/2019 08:17

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hidinginthenightgarden · 28/04/2019 08:17

The wedding is just the start. He is going to do everything their way and you won't get a say at all.
You won't choose their faith, their education, their hobbies etc. You won't decide where you live or how you live. They will. It is their culture and you can try to accept that - but in reality you weren't raised to be a doormat with no personal thoughts so are going to be resenful, or you could leave and get a proper life!

Calixtine · 28/04/2019 08:18

Run, run a mile!

I’m sorry to sound harsh, but doesn’t love you as much as you love him, if he’s willing to ditch you over this. He’s already controlling and emotionally abusive towards you; how much worse is that going to get once you’re married and legally bound to him and his equally controlling family (who, by the sounds of it, are strongly biased against you as it is).

I’d get out right now and find someone who will treat you as an equal, and who gives a shit about your feelings, values and opinions.

MrsSpenserGregson · 28/04/2019 08:18

Do not marry him.

It doesn't actually matter whether he is a) controlling and abusive, or b) simply adhering to the his cultural traditions - the end result is misery and pain for you either way. He isn't suddenly going to change his entire personality or his entire cultural heritage - neither are possible.

But it is important that you've mentioned that this is your 3rd relationship in a row that has been, frankly, pretty bloody shit. You need to become single asap, and get some serious counselling for yourself to work out why you are prepared to stay in relationships with men who treat you so appallingly. And Flowers for you too - I am truly sympathetic to your position.

Pashazade · 28/04/2019 08:19

He is putting their desires before your happiness. This is not healthy. If you are stuck in their country with children I can see a lot more coercive control from his family in your future. You would see your parents potentially in debt just so you can marry him. He's made it clear you will never be more important than his parents. You don't need to look for mr perfect but it sounds like you're settling for mr ok (with a side of hideous in-laws) and that is not good for you. Please leave now and return to the UK. Do the freedom programme as others have suggested and be happy with yourself for a while. I'm pretty sure Mr Right will come along. A friend rewrote her story completely at your age and is very happy with 2 kids now, ten years on. You can do it.

notmuchmoretogive · 28/04/2019 08:19

Come home please. I speak from experience!

MissEliza · 28/04/2019 08:19

Op I married a man from a different culture. We were living in his country so we married according to their customs, which seemed reasonable at the time - 'when in Rome'. However his parents quickly turned it into a way of controlling things. There was no pleasing them. It really spoiled the first few years of our marriage. It was only when we moved back to the UK I felt we were in charge of our lives. The fact you live here and your dh expects all that is completely unreasonable. It bodes very badly for your marriage. You should walk away, I'm sorry to say.

Shoxfordian · 28/04/2019 08:20

Don't marry him, you're always going to come second to his family.

Dillydallyingthrough · 28/04/2019 08:21

OP I'm Asian - we have huge weddings. This is nothing to do with culture - your DP is a dick if he can't stand up for you to his parents. Sorry but your dad's right.

In my family there have been disapproving parents about a marriage but the person has always said 'tough, my choice were getting married whether you like it or not' - not said they will leave their fiancée! Also no-one has been forced to pay for weddings (their are a lot of traditions that are expensive) normally those getting married just do it. My cousin eloped in your DPs position and told his parents they had better treat his DW well or he would go NC with them. They soon were very positive vocally about her in the wider community (they love her now, but only because their son had set the expectations).

I know exactly how this will play out, you will be treated like shit as you are the DIL they didn't want. Your DP will never side with you - think when you have children, your IL's will name your child and decide on how to parent them.

Sorry it is time to leave - feel free to PM me if you need any more info on the cultural aspect (not keen in outing myself).

BogglesGoggles · 28/04/2019 08:21

Fucks sake. There are so many red flags here it’s like a bloody red bunting festival. If they are behaving this way just think what you they will do to you once you have children. Run!

YetAnotherSpartacus · 28/04/2019 08:21

Run!!!!

tinstar · 28/04/2019 08:22

I explained in my OP that his parents would experience utter social humiliation if things aren't done in a certain way.

Where on earth are you that not spending £40k on a wedding spells "utter social humiliation"?