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Forced to spend insane amount on wedding..Should I marry him? Feeling torn.

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sakurawarrior · 28/04/2019 07:50

Ok, this is going to be a long post so I need to apologise - but I want to explain as thoroughly as I can. I'm not a mum but I wanted some sensible advice.

I'm in my late twenties. Four years ago I met my bf on the internet. After a year of a long distance relationship, I emigrated to the country he was living in to be with him. I know, that sounds nuts. A huge step. Needless to say, I was infatuated with him.

My history - Before him, I had two previous relationships. The first one when I was 16. I suspect now he was personality disordered. He 10 timed me and beat the shit out of me, then impregnated a married woman 20 years older than him. Needless to say, that damaged me and it took a year or two to recover. The next relationship lasted 5 years. I left him in the end because he kept binge drinking, slapped me across the face when I asked him to do something and a few other abusive incidents (he wasn't a complete psycho like the last one but less than perfect).

So anyway, back my present bf. He is Asian and thus came with some cultural baggage. His parents live in his home country and always expected him to have an arranged marriage. After we'd been together several months he told them he met me and he wants to be with me. They were extremely upset and disapproving and came up with a whole litany of reasons why I was a bad idea - I wouldn't be understanding of their culture, I would divorce him after a couple of years, I didn't hold a masters degree, my degree subject wasn't prestigious enough, westerners have no morals or values, we wouldn't suit each other... on and on it went.

He told me that he would stay in a relationship with me as long as possible, but couldn't marry me without their approval. He said the shame his parents would face would ruin their lives and the people around them would bully them and gossip making their lives a misery. He said we could only marry with their approval. But if by the time he got to 29 years old the social pressure to marry is too great, and if they didn't accept by then he would be forced to leave me. Of course, I hated this, but I tried to understand from his perspective because I loved him so much.

Fast forward two years and they have finally accepted with a condition. The wedding has to happen according to their customs, in their home country, and me and my parents must contribute to half the costs, which would come to an insane 20 grand. They will not compromise on this and bf has said he will leave me for an arranged marriage otherwise. Me and my parents could scrape together this amount of money but it just seems so wrong to spend this much on a wedding and to be forced to, as well. bf said his parents are compromising so much as they don't want me as a DIL at all, so now me and my parents need to compromise with spending the money and doing it their way.

I'm so conflicted I feel torn up inside. I feel like I don't know what to do anymore. My dad suggested that the money should be used as a house deposit instead of a wedding, and his parents got really offended by this, saying it's not about the money but about carrying out all the customs and traditions, and spending that amount of money is the only way it can be done.
My dad also thought I should ditch him on the principle that he would ultimately leave me if things came to that. There's a part of me that feels he is right, but I also have to understand my bf and his parent's POV. Holding some many conflicting views in my mind and so many shades of grey is driving me insane, frankly.

I've been reading through some of MN posts and I see the tendency to advocate leaving the relationship rather than staying. Honestly from the start our relationship has had huge strain because of these problems and my MH has naturally taken a hit. I've seen a number of therapists even one from his background - they didn't have an answer about the culture thing but said he is bordering emotionally abusive to me. (If he is annoyed at me he tends to give me the silent treatment, not at all great and the one problem in our relationship apart from the marriage issue).

I want a fresh perspective on this all. I don't know what to do. Any advice greatly appreciated. Tysm if you made it through this post.

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DartmoorDoughnut · 29/04/2019 07:13

Run away

sakurawarrior · 29/04/2019 07:13

The other thing I forgot to mention is that his parents would want to get private investigators on my parents to "background check". I believe this is what they do in arranged marriage set ups and he said "it's normal" but to have this done to my family is extremely disturbing. I have told him to never, ever give them my parents' names and address! It's frightening.

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00100001 · 29/04/2019 07:15

Focus in getting back home first.
Then deal with the emotional aftermath later

fedupntired · 29/04/2019 07:17

Get your passport, call a taxi and go to a hotel, stay there till there is a flight home. Go home and stay there. You are young, you can heal xxxxx

PorridgeIsYummy · 29/04/2019 07:18

Yes, I agree with the poster above to focus on the immediate actions first, like going back home.

OP, does your boyfriend seem heartbroken that your relationship is coming to an end - or relieved?

PorridgeIsYummy · 29/04/2019 07:20

And by the way, I think we all know how difficult this is. We are all rooting for you xxx

You can do it, OP x

MyOtherProfile · 29/04/2019 07:23

The thing that is making me feel physically ill is that he will end up in an arranged marriage a few months. I know I need to put that out of my mind but it is a truly nightmarish thing to think about. Any advice on how to deal with that?i

Focus on the fact that you dodged a bullet. It will be painful at first but your life will be better.

Would he have been happy for your parents to hire a PI to check his parents out?

sakurawarrior · 29/04/2019 07:23

TheOrigRightsofwomen He has told me he doesn't like it and sees it more as "baggage" but he feels like he is trapped and paralysed by their expectations.
Someone else on this thread mentioned that the term "cultural baggage" might be offensive but honestly I just used that phrase for brevity and the fact that the cultural differences have caused an immense amount of grief to me. It might not have been the best words to use. There are a number of people on this thread who are either Asian or have DH who are from different cultures and they have not faced these problems making me feel like how him and his parents have reacted to me seeps outside the "cultural" and more towards their own personality/character.

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sakurawarrior · 29/04/2019 07:32

PorridgeIsYummy He said he feels sad but he "can't do anything about it". He seems to want me to wait it out forever, in case there is a chance, but his ultimate decision is to leave me by the time his marriage has to be performed. I don't understand why he wants to stay with me in the meantime if his ultimate choice is an arranged marriage.
MyOtherProfile He said he recognises the background check seems strange to us but he hasn't strongly opposed it.

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sakurawarrior · 29/04/2019 07:33

MyOtherProfile Sorry I misread your post. No, I don't think he would care because it's what they do apparently.

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Parky04 · 29/04/2019 07:40

If I was your parent I wouldn't give you the money. Why would I pay £20k when my child would have a marriage full of misery. Do not marry this man and return home.

NicksWife08 · 29/04/2019 07:41

My mother in law married an Asian (he is my father in law). She was British, white, and they lived in a western country.

What he's doing is abuse, and it will only get worse with the constant excuse of "it's our culture". And it will be whatever his family want.

I don't like my mil very much, but when I hear of the crap she put up with for half her life I realise why she is now like she is. So they had the wedding, the big fancy thing that costs your entire life savings. On that day they told her parents that she was their daughter now and they didn't need to worry themselves about her anymore, they called her an Asian version of her name and refused to call her by her actual name and then they pestered her to dye her hair black so she'd fit in more and any time she tried to do anything western, despite living in a very western country, she'd be berated for showing shame to the family.

Mil had three children, their names weren't up to her at all, both chosen entirely by father in law's family.
They were confirmed as the religion his family are, mil never agreed to this before marriage.
For the sake of her children she stayed married for so long, her life was utterly miserable, her children were utterly miserable, you can look through photo albums and not see a smile it's honestly so sad.

I've read that you're leaving him, I hope when you have the wobbles you'll read this experience and it'll give you a bit more fight.
I wish I could post these albums of unhappy photos or my mother in law's many many diary's or how much counselling it took for my DH to realise what's normal and what's not in a relationship.

Holidayshopping · 29/04/2019 07:45

the 20k demand was just thrown at me because they thought me and my parents wouldn't be able to afford it, and they had no intention of welcoming me into their family).

That is just wicked- what awful people. When do you plan to leave?

EdtheBear · 29/04/2019 07:45

If he really wanted to marry you, he would have stood up to his parents demands. Instead he colluded with them and tried to extort money from you and your family.

He is and his future is not your problem. If you stayed your kids would be subject to the same.

Where are you in getting away?
Have you booked flights? Sorted your belongings?

Karwomannghia · 29/04/2019 07:46

A good friend was disowned by her family when she got white English boyfriend. They lived in the UK too but didn’t approve. She sees them very seldom. He needs to get away from his own toxic family and you definitely do. Good luck.

sakurawarrior · 29/04/2019 07:49

NicksWife08 I'm very sorry about what happened to your MIL. As you alluded, her circumstances may have made her bitter and therefore make her behave in a certain way. I hope she has been able to reclaim her life somehow.
Funny that she was told to dye her hair black to fit in as that is exactly what I was told to do, albeit in a half-joking way. I would have never done that, it wouldn't even suit me never mind anything else!

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Holidayshopping · 29/04/2019 07:50

The other thing I forgot to mention is that his parents would want to get private investigators on my parents to "background check". I believe this is what they do in arranged marriage set ups and he said "it's normal" but to have this done to my family is extremely disturbing. I have told him to never, ever give them my parents' names and address!

You telling him not to, is hardly going to stop him. He’s probably told them already!

The thing that is making me feel physically ill is that he will end up in an arranged marriage a few months. I know I need to put that out of my mind but it is a truly nightmarish thing to think about. Any advice on how to deal with that?

Yes. I would be thanking my lucky stars every day that it wasn’t me in an arranged marriage to this unpleasant controlling bunch of people.

Acis · 29/04/2019 07:57

The thing that is making me feel physically ill is that he will end up in an arranged marriage a few months. I know I need to put that out of my mind but it is a truly nightmarish thing to think about. Any advice on how to deal with that?

Be very, very grateful that it's not you. And ensure that you're a long way away. Have you made arrangements to leave?

zippey · 29/04/2019 08:03

Great to hear common sense has prevailed. I don’t know what your bf is like but it’s sometines difficult for children to break free from a lifetime of parental control. However, it was the ultimate blackmail - pay the money or we won’t get married - whether he was in on it or not.

It’s important to note that cultural differences are not always a good thing. Arranged marriages, honour killings, female circumcisions are examples of cultural differences.

Ultimately it seems their cultural need to not feel ashamed in the eyes of others trumps what the anyone else wants.

Bellacat16 · 29/04/2019 08:13

Please walk away . If you stay you are only bowing down to they're demands, and what demands will be next ? It will go on and on ... they haven't accepted you as they say, otherwise there would be compromise on the wedding, instead they are making demands knowing that it's difficult for most families to find that sort of money. They are setting you up to fail I'm afraid, Your BF is following his parents demands as they are his parents, and this is his culture, you will always come second to that. No consideration has been given to what you want, what your family would like. I'm sorry but if you want a life of misery and in laws making demands every five minutes then stay, but I know what I would do... leave xx

JessieMcJessie · 29/04/2019 08:14

A few people have asked if you have a job where you are and need to give notice? You haven’t answered. How soon can you get back to the UK?

As for the arranged marriage, can you break down why it seems “nightmarish” to you? He can’t get married without consenting to it so, as a grown man, he will have rationalised that choice. If you feel bad for him then you are infantilising him. He will have chosen his family and at least this way he will no longer be in conflict with them so you could perhaps feel happy for him in that sense?

You and he have split up so he no longer has any loyalty to you (but that he did anyway) and you can’t expect him not to move on- at least this way it is arranged and not that he has walked off and love-married the next woman he dates (an all too common scenario for many women mucked around for years by DPs who won’t marry them).

BertieBotts · 29/04/2019 08:19

I am so sorry that this has happened. It must be incredibly hard to deal with. I definitely agree you have dodged a bullet but that doesn't make it easier to deal with now.

I agree, focus on the practical stuff for now, worry about the emotional stuff later. Would it help to go no contact? Do you have mutual friends?

1wearpurple · 29/04/2019 08:23

I am married to someone from an Eastern culture, and while things are no way this bad, I can, with some experience, tell you that you should not marry this man. The family will constantly bully you both, and make ever more distressing demands. It will get quite a lot worse once you have children, because they will criticise how you look after your baby, then as the child gets older, they will criticise your parenting etc etc. You and your husband will have awful rows about all of this. Please just say no. This is just the start. I realise you have been through a lot and weathered massive storms just to get to this point, but please take my best advice and don't marry him. You are only in your late twenties. Plenty of time to meet someone else.

OhDearGodLookAtThisMess · 29/04/2019 09:09

Their circle of friends and family would bully them and gossip about them if the wedding doesn't cost £40k and yet we Westerners are the ones without morals and values? Hmm
Yeah right.

I cannot stress enough how you should take the excellent advice given so far on this thread and leave this bloke right now.
Any therapy you have from now on should focus on why you are attracted to men who abuse you. Sort that out and then one day, you will attract someone into your life who is good for you and to you.
ThanksThanks

sakurawarrior · 29/04/2019 09:40

JessieMcJessie My notice period is 2 weeks.

Breaking down the feeling its "nightmarish". I guess it comes from jealousy, embarassing as that is. In my imagination she will be better than me in every way, he will come to love her more than he ever loved me, his parents will adore her because they chose her. The thought of him being intimate with anyone else is so painful. I know I have no rights over him and it's childish. That's just my honest feelings.
Yes it does make me feel a little better knowing he has his parents which is what he wanted in the end.

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