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Arsehole or narcissist?

181 replies

Lockcodger · 04/04/2019 23:45

I've read so many threads on here tonight that I thought I would post up some if the things I've learned recently about narcissism, as so many people seem to be going through this at the moment.

I've recently just escaped from my 3rd relationship with a narc and I'm still processing alot of it but much of what I say below is available on YouTube.

In the beginning

  1. He showered you with excessive gifts, compliments, favours etc that sometimes made you feel uncomfortable? Particularly if he said he had never met anyone like you before, you are his soulmate.
  1. The relationship progressed very quickly and he said I love you very early on, talked about marriage, children, moving in together way too early.
  1. Your gut told you something wasnt right but you ignored it at the time
  1. It feels too good to be true, you were swept off your feet etc
  1. Played the victim, had many "crazy exes" who cheated on him treated him terribly and his family and life in general was out to get him but he cannot see the role he played in the demise of his life.
  1. Unable to keep down a job, lives an unstable lifestyle (homeless, jobless, living with parents or a string of short term partners)
  1. You were vulnerable at the time e.g. very young, just left another abusive relationship or breakup, you have had a difficult childhood, lost a job etc.

This is the idealisation phase of the abuse cycle (idealise, devalue discard). The next phase is devalue and then discard.

  1. Devalue: Constant little digs sometimes disguised as jokes, putdowns, sarcasm, criticism or outright calling you names
  1. Projection: Accusing you of things you haven't done (cheating, lying etc.) They are projecting the things that THEY have done to you, onto you. Jealousy is a huge red flag!
  1. Lying and gas lighting. If you catch them out in a lie, they will give you 100 bulshit reasons why it wasnt a lie and then turn it back around on you and say you are abusive and controlling for daring to ask them to explain themselves and why they lied. This is gas lighting, making you doubt your own reality and feel crazy (which they know they are making you crazy so call you crazy to gaslight more).
  1. Triangulation. This may start with comparing you to other women or exes by pointing out your flaws, slagging off all of their exes to you so you never find out what really happened between them (most likely he was abusive). This then leads to cheating, which has 3 goals. One to punish you for whatever perceived terrible thing the narc thinks you've done, to make you feel like shit and want to compete with the other woman and also for additional narcissistic supply.
  1. Entitlement and irresponsibility. Lazy, selfish, nothing is ever good enough, parasitoc lifestyle rely on you financially or ask to borrow money and don't pay you back or you have to ask them to pay, live with you but doesnt pull their weight with housework, bills and childcare. Comes across as helpless, is bad with money, has been homeless or lived with a string of short term relationships, has drug or alcohol dependency, doesnt see his children or pay child support, can't hold down a job.
  1. Fragile ego when they feel they are criticised they hugely overreact like a toddler stomping their feet. Immaturity, tantrum throwing, silent treatment, stonewalling (ignore you for hours/days), threatens to leave, threatens to expose something private about you (secrets/pictures), throwing things, punching walls, physical or sexual violence.
  1. Lack of empathy. You feel like they don't care about your feelings because they don't!
  1. Cheating. Nearly all narcissists cheat. They like to line up new narcissistic supply for your discard phase (this is why they appear to move on so quickly when a relationship ends but really they were lined up all along)
  1. Recruit flying monkeys. Spread rumours and lies about you to tarnish your name while they play victim. You may see your own friends turning against you if they believe the narcs version of events.
  1. They have a history of domestic violence, say their ex was violent to them, say their ex made false allegations of abuse against them to turn their children against them. 99% of the time, believe the woman, not the narc.

  2. Hoovering. After discard they will get back in contact to test the waters, promising they have changed, quit drinking/drugs, they NEED you, life is so horrible etc.

If you take them back after the Hoover stage, you re-enter the idealise, devalue discard abuse cycles only the cycles will get shorter each time you go back.

The best thing to do if you identify a narc in your life is to run, go no contact and block them from everything. If you have children with the narc, you could try low contact method.

Theres so much more but this post is becoming really long. I hope it helps some people reading this

OP posts:
user1486131602 · 13/04/2019 20:57

To all you ladies......you can do it!
I did after nearly 20 yrs of being his mother, carer, lover, servant. I thought I could fix him.
We all deserve love and respect and if someone is using you up or turning you into someone you are not or don't want to be - put yourself first as they do!
We can all rely on each other for strength, love and understanding and I pray that each of you will find the reason to leave xx

LaughingCow99 · 14/04/2019 02:46

I agree it's not helpful to focus on the behaviour of the abuser forever, but I want people to be able to see the signs before, during or after the relationship, to help others know that you weren't crazy, it was abuse and you were not alone.

Abuse is abuse, no one is denying that.
Thankfully, we live in a time where so much
support is available.

I do think the overuse of the term 'narc' minimises the impact of those truly affected by it.

There are reasons diagnostic criteria exist. Whether you, I or anyone choose to put emphais on that or not is personal choice.

MargoLovebutter · 15/04/2019 12:02

It is always difficult talking about why this happens to people. In an ideal world there wouldn't be nasty, abusive people. Whilst I firmly believe I was not to blame for the fact that all my significant romantic relationships (including my marriage) have been men who were abusive to some degree (two were narcs), I also recognise that there is something wrong with my own internal wiring that has led me to pick such utter wankers.

I had a very dysfunctional childhood, which involved parental separation and abuse both physical and emotional. I'm avoidant and attempt to recreate familiar patterns of behaviour in my relationships - which basically means I am attracted to abusive people.

I'm having therapy because I don't want to keep doing this. So, I'm not to blame, but I am taking responsibility for keeping myself away from abusive arseholes going forwards.

WhatWouldLIfeBe · 17/04/2019 01:34

Please take care MargoLovebutter! Trauma is complicated and there aren't straightforward routes out. I hope you are getting appropriate counselling. I hope one way or another I am getting better. It's been a bit of a long haul. I finished my trauma counselling some weeks ago. At the moment I am going through hell. It's really difficult. I don't know if I should find more help or let the dust settle.

ComedicCat · 17/04/2019 01:56

This is my ex, he was also physically abusive. I moved 300 miles away to escape him. I'm still scared of him 25 years later. Flowers to all affected.

MargoLovebutter · 17/04/2019 09:32

WhatWouldLifeBe big hugs to you. It is undoubtedly a long haul. I've been in therapy for well over a year now and I'm very slowly getting there. If you can get help, I would. This is not the kind of stuff you can usually chat about with friends and is definitely better not bottled up - so any help you can get or afford is worth it - specially if you are going through a tough phase at the moment.

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