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PLEASE HELP - entitled, lazy, hurtful daughter in law

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LillianRose10 · 14/03/2019 21:56

Please can I have some advice, I dont know what to do

Our son has been with his wife for 4 years. We always give them money and pay for food and rent to help them out and we buy gifts for our granddaughters regularly. Which we love to do. We offer to babysit and help out with the house and driving them places whenever possible. We always put their needs before ours even though we cant really afford it. We show them unconditional love at all times. We never interfere and had a wonderful relationship with my son until she came along. We always accepted her and treated her like family. Gave her gifts, time, money, treats, vacations, days out. We have always been very kind and respectful to her. But she is extremely jealous of our family being so close and loving and kind to each other. She is jealous of my other children and grandchildren and makes rude, hurtful comments about favouritism ect.

The problem is. Daughter in law is beyond lazy, manipulative, entitled, rude and selfish. She leaves all the housework, chores, kids and bills to my son. He has to do everything before and after a hard days work while she sits at home on social media. She is very demanding with him. He cant get any rest because of her. She expects everybody to run around after her. She has no respect for anybodys homes. When she brings the kids to ours for Sunday Lunch when my son is at work, she takes over, she makes us feel uncomfortable in our own home, she makes mess everywhere and leaves it for us to clean, throws herself on the sofa and lets her daughters run wild while we try to keep them entertained, she hints at us to go and get things for her and pick things up off the floor for her. (Hubby & I are in our 70's). She snatches the kids off us when we are bonding or having fun. But lands them on us without asking when she wants to go out and party.

My son treats her like royalty. He spoils her with love and luxury. Hes an absolute gentleman and so kind to her. But hes so tired and worn out from her demands and laziness. She constantly hides money from my son. She never stops speaking about money, money, money. She is always hinting for loans of money from us. Always hinting that she wants us to buy her certain gifts and "expensive" gifts and clothing for the children. We do so much for them and we get no thanks for it. She is so ungreatful. If we buy gifts that arent expensive she doesnt even acknowledge them and looks at them as if they are rubbish and makes us feel like its not good enough for her. She never offers to pay for anything. She runs off when its time to pay. But orders the dearest things on the menu and leaves the bill for us. They have often asked for a loan only to see she has gone out and gotten her hair or nails done the following day. Why should I be funding her lifestyle. She has never gotten us a gift or a thank you card. Or even said thank you and meant it, She just wants more & more. She really has it too easy. I don't know many families that would treat her as good as we have.

She is isolating my son from his family and friends. He cannot spend any time alone with us not even 5 minutes. She is too nosey, she listens and eavesdrops to every personal family conversation as we cant get time alone with him, and she repeats it to other outside people but adds her own version of events and lies even though its none of her business and we didnt specifically tell her, she just listens in. So we dont speak personal issues in front of her anymore. I am sick of her running with stories and telling everybody our business. She is constantly putting her own business up on social media too, making an idiot of herself. It is embarrassing. I personally think she needs to give us some privacy with issues that don't concern her.

She constantly tells my son and other people lies about us and puts thoughts in his head, filling him with rubbish, that he sometimes believes. Which causes terrible arguments and she always covers her back and tells people not to say she said anything. Everytime she causes trouble she plays the victim and pretends we got it wrong. Making us look bad. She has already caused huge rifts between my son and his brothers and sisters with her lies and manipulation. They never had any conflict before she came along. He has had issues with many of his friends since she came along. All her doing.

We let everything go and dont say anything to her for the sake of our granddaughters and son as we love them dearly and want the very best for them and want to see them as much as possible. But its getting out of hand now. She has no respect for us, shes bitter and jealous towards us for no reason. We cant handle the lies about us and the horrible treatment my son endures. He is very much in love with her and they will stay together. I dont want to say anything to him because it will cause an argument once she starts playing the victim card as usual and pretending to be nice as pie to us when he's around. And if push comes to shove we dont want her to fill our granddaughters heads with lies about us and stop us seeing them as she is so manipulative.

I dont want to be in her company anymore but I will do so for my sons and grandaughters sake but surely I shouldnt feel pressured to treat her the exact same as my son. I dont see why I should continue to buy her gifts or give her lifts places or do anything for her anymore. Especially since she has started answering us back and saying very rude cheeky comments and undermining us.

Has anybody else been in this situation. What should I do. Should I speak to my son or her? I know it will upset my son and possibly cause an argument of some sort which I don't want to happen.

OP posts:
Sunonthepatio · 17/03/2019 10:05

I definitely agree with the advice that you should not loan more than you are willing to give or lose, nor help out to the stage you are resentful. That's good advice for anyone. The resentment is a sign you need to stop. I would do it unobtrusively, by saying you don't have it, or are busy that day. Any rude queries about why, should be met with repeating the original statement.

Hollowvictory · 17/03/2019 10:10

Stop givi them money. If they can't pay rent she needs to work. That won't happen whilst you're enabling her not to.
Ultimately she sounds horrible but it's your sons choice to be with her. Nothing you can do exc limit contact with her.

Hollowvictory · 17/03/2019 10:11

Also, she can't 'make' your son do anything. He does what he chooses. If he chooses to please her that's his silly decision. He needs to say no, he needs to be assertive, he needs to divorce her!

Goldmandra · 17/03/2019 11:27

Also, she can't 'make' your son do anything.

That is exactly what coercive controllers can do.

reallemonade · 17/03/2019 17:20

I suspect my ex pil thought this about me too. My exdh fed them a lot of sob stories about how hard he worked, did all the housework, childcare etc 🙄 most of it was rubbish.

It may be true about this woman, perhaps if your son complains then make some suggestions about leaving her, if she is actually abusive.

Livelovebehappy · 17/03/2019 21:27

This is a battle you won’t win I’m afraid. If he is happy with her, he will side with her every time. You need to box clever and not give her a reason to alienate you from your son. Stop handing money to them; they’re adults and need to take responsibility for themselves and DCs. But be there to listen to your son without passing judgement or criticism of your dil. He needs to come to the realisation of what she is himself.

Pip50 · 30/03/2019 21:48

I have a MIL like you and I can't stand it. Butter wouldn't melt in her sons mouth and I'm the lazy DIL stealing her son from her. She caused all sorts of havoc in our relationship and I suspect you cause problems in your sons marriage as well. Want advice, cut the apron strings and go find a different hobby. I can honestly say that if you continue as you are, you will find your son will cut you off and it will be through his own choosing.

user1479305498 · 30/03/2019 22:52

OP, are you American, the language used is pretty US speak , as is the money obsession. The problem is a few of us have had interfering MILs who thought the sun shone out their sons backside and hence why some are rather cynical that such a lovely kind helpful guy would be stuck with someone who sounds so horrible. If they are asking for money I presume he is aware of this, well that’s his issue too , it clearly doesn’t make him feel bad, or are you offering it? And then feeling put out because they take it? You will never win here, stop offering, say you can’t afford it , you don’t have to like her but at the moment you are making martyrs of yourselves.

rosabug · 31/03/2019 09:42

I agree with a previous poster. You need to think more objectively about your son - she's not the only one with a sense of entitlement... He is also enabling her and at best sounds rather weak - this is an odd position he has chosen to be in - why?

I also think endlessly helping out with money and being "selfless" is kind of suspect. Why do you do this? Is it about keeping your son close - dependent even? Always bailing your children out does not foster responsibility and independence. Try to stop blaming her for everything and look at the wider picture, your son's culpability and your own.

handyandy1 · 31/03/2019 09:59

Your situation sounds like my partners situstion. He was with his ex wife 25+ years and this is exactly how his parents and family and friends talked about her. Unfortunately the children of the marriage (now adults with children of their own) have been manipulated by her and grown up to be exactly like her. When my partner left his ex wife because he couldn’t take anymore, his children cut him and his whole family off and never spoke to them again and they were very close. The eldest has done the same to her partners family & all his friends. A very sad situation, but my partners family would rather have their son / brother back than see him back so unhappy, manipulated, down trodden & cut off. We have been together a number of years now, his family say they have finally gotten him back and have never seen him happier, he has reconnected with his friends and is so happy and relaxed. He says he never realised that this is how a normal relationship should be. Your son may also see sense at some point. You DIL sounds exactly like my partners ex so be prepared for a very bumpy ride if he ever does leave her.

Cannyhandleit · 31/03/2019 10:03

Why are you giving them money? How do you know so much about their day to day lives? I'm very sure neither my parents or DO's know how our housework is shared or how much time I spend on social media! It sounds like you molly coddled your DS and now you don't like who he's chosen to spend his life with but at the end of the day that is his choice, suck it up and get used to it or you will drive a wedge intoyour family!

Tsktsk18 · 23/12/2019 00:46

Keep good records of everything.

Flipswhitefudge · 23/12/2019 00:59

She's not going to change, so It's up to you to change the way you interact with her.

Artandlove · 23/12/2019 01:12

Perhaps she can tell you don’t like her and also don’t want her there when your son or grandchildren visit. Why don’t you try building a better relationship with her? That’s better for everybody. Surely you don’t want your son to split with someone he loves and you’d like your grandchildren to live with both their mum and dad.

ACouchOfOnesOwn · 23/12/2019 01:43

Especially since she has started answering us back
I think this is an interesting comment. It's as though you don't expect an adult woman with a husband and child, to speak back to you. You're using words that you'd use for a naughty child or a servant. I wonder if you expect an unrealistic degree of reverence and if some of your problems stem from your different expectations about your role in your DH and DSIL's life.

WildChristmas · 23/12/2019 01:46

I’ve just posted about SIL and MILs being horrible to me! I promise I’m not your DIL OP.

I’d agree with all the other posters that you need to separate our your feelings:

  • loads of resentment is projected solely into your DIL and your son is seen as a victim. Even if this were true, he’s chosen her, he wants to be with her, and they are a package.
  • much of your resentment is from doing things for SIL / son - you have to stop and it is in your power to stop. It will get easier over time to do this, make a pact with your husband to back off.
  • you can be more assertive in small ways. So much easier than anger building up. If she leaves a mess, say, gosh that is a bit messy, right who is going to help me tidy up? Or if she talks about money, just disengage and say, oh well, oh dear. Do not get sucked in.
  • Focus in what you want. Do you want a good relationship with your grandkids? Be more assertive again about that. If it’s better that you see them less, but take the grandkids out just without their parents, for a shorter time, then do that. Or just from 12-2 then do that. Make an excuse about having to go out.
  • do you want to feel closer to your son? Phone him regularly or email or do whatever works for both of you. Make an excuse that your house needs fixing and invite only your son, just to get a bit of time with him without her too.

And I wish I had ILs more like you. Grin

Shesalittlemadam · 23/12/2019 02:12

Zombie thread guys!

JolieOBrien · 23/12/2019 02:15

Ha ha old thread ... I remember it well

Pixxie7 · 23/12/2019 02:19

I would try and back off but ensure your son and grandchildren know you will always be there for them. It sounds like she is manipulating him.
However 2 sides to every story and all that.

Fizzysours · 23/12/2019 06:40

I would also say...however awful she is....bife your time. My horrendous sister in law screwed over my brother and many other men (at one point, three sets of people were paying maintenance without realising for one of her kids). She controlled the dad of one of them by refusing him access to his child. (He got it but only after court...she tried to sabotage it for years). She told everyone my brother was violent. She isolated her current husband from his entire family. BUT now her kids have grown and we no longer have to tolerate her. Because we sucked it up, we saw the kids loads and can support them now (slowly, they are cutting contact with her as they suffered terrible verbal abuse). That is priceless! She would have destroyed it if we hadn't pretended to like her. And now we don't have to. Just looking forward to our first Christmas without her drifting about, pretending to be a lovely mum. If you think your SIL is capable of this, better to pretend to tolerate her.

thickwoollytights · 23/12/2019 06:50

We show them unconditional love at all times.

No
You
Don't

Unconditional love means love with no conditions

You are constantly judging your DIL so you do not love her unconditionally

I don't understand why you would keep giving to her if she's so awful? It makes no sense. Of course you'd give to your son and grandkids - but why give to her?

Back off

Stop getting so involved

And let your son deal with his marriage - after all you brought him up and I'm sure he's very capable Grin

thickwoollytights · 23/12/2019 06:51

Oh yes! It's a March thread Confused

Mintjulia · 23/12/2019 06:55

Op, this is their marriage, not yours. If your son is happy and you say he is, then you need to step back.
Stop giving them money and buying them food. They are adults and can run their own lives. Also, what she chooses to put on social media is her choice unless it is libellous.
Why don’t you reduce contact to a regular one afternoon a week, stop driving them places and enjoy your own life.

ivykaty44 · 23/12/2019 06:58

At least you have a near perfect son, his one and only mistake is getting married

trixiebelden77 · 23/12/2019 07:22

I think it is very unlikely that you have treated someone you clearly loathe as a loved member of the family. You will not have concealed your feelings as well as you think.

It must be difficult to have a son who is an actual saint. Except for the way in which he apparently allows his parents to be treated, of course.

Why do you think he makes such poor choices in his relationships?