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PLEASE HELP - entitled, lazy, hurtful daughter in law

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LillianRose10 · 14/03/2019 21:56

Please can I have some advice, I dont know what to do

Our son has been with his wife for 4 years. We always give them money and pay for food and rent to help them out and we buy gifts for our granddaughters regularly. Which we love to do. We offer to babysit and help out with the house and driving them places whenever possible. We always put their needs before ours even though we cant really afford it. We show them unconditional love at all times. We never interfere and had a wonderful relationship with my son until she came along. We always accepted her and treated her like family. Gave her gifts, time, money, treats, vacations, days out. We have always been very kind and respectful to her. But she is extremely jealous of our family being so close and loving and kind to each other. She is jealous of my other children and grandchildren and makes rude, hurtful comments about favouritism ect.

The problem is. Daughter in law is beyond lazy, manipulative, entitled, rude and selfish. She leaves all the housework, chores, kids and bills to my son. He has to do everything before and after a hard days work while she sits at home on social media. She is very demanding with him. He cant get any rest because of her. She expects everybody to run around after her. She has no respect for anybodys homes. When she brings the kids to ours for Sunday Lunch when my son is at work, she takes over, she makes us feel uncomfortable in our own home, she makes mess everywhere and leaves it for us to clean, throws herself on the sofa and lets her daughters run wild while we try to keep them entertained, she hints at us to go and get things for her and pick things up off the floor for her. (Hubby & I are in our 70's). She snatches the kids off us when we are bonding or having fun. But lands them on us without asking when she wants to go out and party.

My son treats her like royalty. He spoils her with love and luxury. Hes an absolute gentleman and so kind to her. But hes so tired and worn out from her demands and laziness. She constantly hides money from my son. She never stops speaking about money, money, money. She is always hinting for loans of money from us. Always hinting that she wants us to buy her certain gifts and "expensive" gifts and clothing for the children. We do so much for them and we get no thanks for it. She is so ungreatful. If we buy gifts that arent expensive she doesnt even acknowledge them and looks at them as if they are rubbish and makes us feel like its not good enough for her. She never offers to pay for anything. She runs off when its time to pay. But orders the dearest things on the menu and leaves the bill for us. They have often asked for a loan only to see she has gone out and gotten her hair or nails done the following day. Why should I be funding her lifestyle. She has never gotten us a gift or a thank you card. Or even said thank you and meant it, She just wants more & more. She really has it too easy. I don't know many families that would treat her as good as we have.

She is isolating my son from his family and friends. He cannot spend any time alone with us not even 5 minutes. She is too nosey, she listens and eavesdrops to every personal family conversation as we cant get time alone with him, and she repeats it to other outside people but adds her own version of events and lies even though its none of her business and we didnt specifically tell her, she just listens in. So we dont speak personal issues in front of her anymore. I am sick of her running with stories and telling everybody our business. She is constantly putting her own business up on social media too, making an idiot of herself. It is embarrassing. I personally think she needs to give us some privacy with issues that don't concern her.

She constantly tells my son and other people lies about us and puts thoughts in his head, filling him with rubbish, that he sometimes believes. Which causes terrible arguments and she always covers her back and tells people not to say she said anything. Everytime she causes trouble she plays the victim and pretends we got it wrong. Making us look bad. She has already caused huge rifts between my son and his brothers and sisters with her lies and manipulation. They never had any conflict before she came along. He has had issues with many of his friends since she came along. All her doing.

We let everything go and dont say anything to her for the sake of our granddaughters and son as we love them dearly and want the very best for them and want to see them as much as possible. But its getting out of hand now. She has no respect for us, shes bitter and jealous towards us for no reason. We cant handle the lies about us and the horrible treatment my son endures. He is very much in love with her and they will stay together. I dont want to say anything to him because it will cause an argument once she starts playing the victim card as usual and pretending to be nice as pie to us when he's around. And if push comes to shove we dont want her to fill our granddaughters heads with lies about us and stop us seeing them as she is so manipulative.

I dont want to be in her company anymore but I will do so for my sons and grandaughters sake but surely I shouldnt feel pressured to treat her the exact same as my son. I dont see why I should continue to buy her gifts or give her lifts places or do anything for her anymore. Especially since she has started answering us back and saying very rude cheeky comments and undermining us.

Has anybody else been in this situation. What should I do. Should I speak to my son or her? I know it will upset my son and possibly cause an argument of some sort which I don't want to happen.

OP posts:
bert3400 · 15/03/2019 00:39

This is a weird post...

ParadiseLaundry · 15/03/2019 01:02

@Fere I thought that at first but i think the op meant personal business rather than work but I could be wrong.

Itwouldtakemuchmorethanthis · 15/03/2019 01:09

Stop giving her money. Don’t have her round without your son. Adult children with their own families shouldn’t need help with rent etc.

CrumpetyTea · 15/03/2019 01:15

How do you know all of this - eg that she does nothing and he does all the housework? Does he tell you this? have you seen it yourself?

I think you have to be careful that you are not getting biased /oneside views - and also that your views aren't coloured by prejudices about what she is doing. My in laws think DP is great if he does any housework (and also that he is put upon and I am a lazy cow) and blame me for any shortcomings- eg failure to send one of his relatives a card- I am work full time - he is a SAHD and in reality I do more than my share but they expect him to do nothing.

But otherwise just stope being involved with their lives so much- pull back a bit don't give them money ,

Decormad38 · 15/03/2019 01:22

Why have you entangled yourself so deeply into their relationship? My MIL is there if we need her but she keeps a healthy distance which is the way it shoul be. Your son has decided that this is the woman for him so you have to back off. Are you secretly using money to ensure you always have that bargaining chip?

DioneTheDiabolist · 15/03/2019 01:43

We always give them money and pay for food and rent
Why? Adults pay for their own food and rent. How come your DS needs you to pay that for him?

we buy gifts for our granddaughters regularly. Which we love to do.
My parents and Exin-laws love doing stuff for my kids too.Smile I love their bond, even if I'm not so happy about the amount of sugar and plastic tat.

Gave her gifts, time, money, treats, vacations, days out.
How did you know she needed you to do that? Surely that was between her and your son?

But hes so tired and worn out from her demands and laziness. She constantly hides money from my son. She never stops speaking about money, money, money.
That's what my Ex-laws would say about their addicted son.Sad Addicted to gambling, alcohol and cannabis. My lovely (and usually intelligent) MiL believed him when he said I was pressurising him for more money than he could earn. The reality was he had enough to drink, smoke and bet. But I had to chase and beg him for the housekeeping money he had agreed to.

I don't think you're funding your DiL's lifestyle OP. I think you're funding your son's.

Peopleshouldread · 15/03/2019 01:43

While it's hard to made a complete judgement without hearing both sides, I think in a way that you are enabling the situation a little ( she sounds awful btw and as the mother of two sons a nightmare I hope I don't have to face).
She treats your son like dirt, but while you think you are giving money to I guess help your son, and keep the peace - you are actually compounding the situation by kind of paying her for the privilege of treating you like shit on her shoe. Have some respect. Stop looking for thanks etc. Withdraw from the money playing field.
I would stop with the funds - for both of them. If their lifestyle cannot be maintained without serious input from your bank account, then you are encouraging her behaviour and I think his.
Mind the grandchildren when asked- move towards more thoughtful, small and personal gifts or fun experiences rather than the expensive gifts - and maybe instead start bank accounts for the grandchildren that they can access when they are 18. Save money for your son, rather than give it to him - so that if he needs it later when she screws him over you have the funds to help him.

You can't control what she says, but you can override it by maintaining the high ground. Don't argue it. Be dignified. Actions will ultimately speak louder than words.

You are also able to selectively block her on Facebook and Instagram, but she won't know she is blocked. She just will no longe see posts from you. Google how to - it's fairly simple. You can also, on Facebook specifically select who you want ot share images etc with so you can shut her out, again without her knowing.

Good luck.

LittlePaintBox · 15/03/2019 01:51

It seems to me that you're giving far too much in this relationship, let the couple stand on their own feet. You shouldn't be making yourselves poorer to support your children. I know from personal experience it can become a habit, but when your DS or DD settles down with their life partner, that's time to back off and let them face the struggles of bein a new family together.

It does sound as if you disapprove of your DiL. Obviously she takes a very different attitude to marriage and motherhood from your own. But she is the person your son has chosen, and it's him who has to live with her, not you.

FWIW, I think my MiL disapproved of me terribly at first, because I just didn't approach life like she did. But she was a very kind and caring grandmother to my children, and by the end of her life, we did understand each other much better. Ironically, when she died I was very badly affected and had toi go to counselling! So a dreadful relationship with an in-law can change, over time.

NiceNewShiny · 15/03/2019 01:56

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Graphista · 15/03/2019 02:12

"She leaves all the housework, chores, kids and bills to my son. He has to do everything before and after a hard days work" I suspect the reality is actually he's being expected to do his fair share and not leave it all to her.

"while she sits at home on social media." You mean she's a sahm? With at least 2 children. I highly doubt she's doing nothing all day!

"and lets her daughters run wild" that would be your sons daughters yes?

"How is your DIL hiding money from your son if he does all the bills?" Yep quite a few contradictions in the post

Very odd post. Reverse?

PyongyangKipperbang · 15/03/2019 02:16

Stop enabling this.

Your son will not face the reality of their situation until you stop bailing him out. I believe you as I had an aquaintance like this (met through a friend via work). She would spend until her husband had no choice but go cap in hand to hisparents to pay their mortgage. Until the day they said no.

The house had to be sold, they went into rented and she was furious that her parents in law were no longer stumping up. She left and managed to wangle having her kids no more than 2 nights a week but him still paying a whack in maintenance. It was only when she kicked off that her money was late because he was kitting the kids out for school that he finally woke up. Took a while but it was worth it for him and the kids and his parents.

Halo84 · 15/03/2019 02:38

I agree with others, stop giving them money. Do you give money to your other children? They may resent it if you treat this son better. Stop going to restaurants with them. Tell them you are not feeling up to going out. Keep contact in your home.

captainmarvella · 15/03/2019 03:01

I am Indian and I can well imagine this scenario. It's quite common in join family systems in India (not assuming OP's so).

OP, from your post it appears to me that You are looking at a solution where everybody's problem is solved and a HEA ending is on the horizon 24/7. At best you are hoping for your DIL to 'get' and 'appreciate' that you are good people and give you the love and respect you seem to be craving from her. All the least, you want her to stop making your son unhappy, if it is really true that she IS making him unhappy.

Here is the bad news. YOUR DREAM OF THIS UTOPIA WILL NOT HAPPEN. This situation is not salvagable, at least to the extent you are hoping to. Your DIL will never change. People don't change. Even if they do, the change has to come from within, another person cannot make it happen.

If only I had a penny for everytime I hear the phrase 'Tell me how I can change him/her'. You cannot change another person. You are not God! Or a wizard. We are humans and as such the only thing in our power is is to protect ourselves from bad situations. We can only be the change we want to see. The sooner you accept this, the better it is for your sanity.

Reg all the drama, the mind games, the messiness left by your DIL, I am sorry, the only way out of this is to go low contact. Do not invite them over. Stop the gifts, you have given enough. Maintain distance, meet your son's family outside on special day outings. I know it sounds terrible, I know you will miss seeing your grandkids, but there is no rosy rainbow solution in this equation unless everybody gets amazing therapy for years and is suddenly is blessed with empathy and compassion.

As for your son and his wife's marital issues, it's none of your business. I am not being rude. It truly is not your problem, how two grownups are leading their life. You need to step away. I say this with the kindest intentions. You (and your husband?) are in your 70's. Your children are adults now. Whether they live happily or miserably, it is THEIR choice. Stop worrying about it. You have birthed and educated your kids. You have done your duty as a parent. ENOUGH. It's now time to spend the rest of your life away from other people's drama.

captainmarvella · 15/03/2019 03:13

OP, I hope you don't feel that I am attacking you by my earlier post, I know what I have written may sound harsh, but it comes from my own experience and reflections of the past two decades. I have seen too many women in my family, my friends, my relatives.... it's like a goddamn epidemic, their lives meddled with and even destroyed by their inlaws' 'good intentions' and 'I just want to help' attitude. I am a victim too. My MIL, while not a bad person as such, has been the reason of countless arguments and misunderstandings between my husband and I, simply because she claims she only has our best interests at heart and we should listen to her financial and lifestyle advice and follow them blindly. Yes she too used to give money to my husband and expect unwavering loyalty and obedience back.

I cannot talk about your DIL or give possible explanations about her behaviour beccause she is not here. This is not her post. Since this your post, OP, I will address you - You may not be such a meddler as my MIL. You may have the best intentions. But in a cursed relationship like MIL-DIL (at least I feel that way!), it's best to maintain distance. Nothing else will work.

The more you try to connect, the messier it will become. Best to let your son lead his life away from your helping hands (which may very well give him the push and autonomy he needs), distance yourself from DIL's presence and at least retain some kind of dignity and autonomy.

Tinkerbell456 · 15/03/2019 03:33

This has all gone so wrong, hasn’t it? Definitely you should not feel you have to give her money for nails, holidays, hair etc. Nor should you feel that you have to buy her gifts. You don’t have to. Not even for the usual occasions if you don’t want to. Giving gifts is something nice that you want to do for people to make them smile. Your son should not have to everything around the house when he works. Are you sure that this is what is actually happening, as it just seems unlikely to me? Are you certain that your dislike of this woman isn’t causing you to see the worst in everything? Like others, I would be interested to hear both sides of the story.

canadianbanana · 15/03/2019 04:02

I can’t help reading between the lines here - you sound like my MIL, she had the same opinion of me that you have of your DIL. All her family members were angels and I was a horrible, money grubbing witch. She thought she was welcoming and wonderful. But she wasn’t. Your tale sounds ridiculously one sided and I can’t help thinking you aren’t being honest with yourself about how horrible she is, and how wonderful your son and you and your dh are. Butt out, do not give them any more money, and leave your son to decide if he loves his wife or not. I think you may resent her intrusion into your perfect family.

spreadingchestnuttree · 15/03/2019 06:31

Stop throwing money around! Even your grandchildren don't need constant presents - save them for birthdays and Christmas.

brookshelley · 15/03/2019 06:51

She leaves all the housework, chores, kids and bills to my son. He has to do everything before and after a hard days work while she sits at home on social media.

So who is watching the DCs when your DS is at work? Your DIL I presume. How old are they also? Are they young babies/toddlers who are very demanding on her time?

My MIL used to believe DH was doing everything while I sat around chilling, because she had visited us twice while I was on mat leave. She actually told me off for asking him to help with the DCs because "he works so hard." Last time she came and she saw the long hours I worked, how often I was woken at night by the DCs, all the errands and admin I handled - well she changed her tune.

Unless you live with them I honestly don't think you can be sure your DS version of events is true. A lot of women think the sun shines out of their DS arse.

Feb2018mumma · 15/03/2019 07:06

I think giving them money and gifts you can't afford needs to stop, but this is both your DIL and son? He isn't innocent in this as must know he is taking his parents money for food and rent seeing as you say he is in charge of all bills?

You say that she sits on social media all day but go on to say that when she comes over when your son is at work you have to look after the children who are wild and hard work? Surely if they are hard work they must be hard work for her when she is at home?

Also she leaves you in charge of children but you say that she snatches them if you try to bond with them? How can she snatch them when she's lying on the sofa 24/7 on social media?

In terms of the food bill, she is a SAHM so can't really pay the bill? It would be up to your son to pay the bill? How can she pay without a job when you yourself have said that your son is incharge of paying bills?

You say you always offer to babysit then say she ditches the kids on you? Do you think she does that becuase you offer?

And my last point would be you say she doesn't let you talk to your son about family matters without her and tries to listen in? Imagine your MIL wanted to see your husband on one of his few days off to talk privately about family matters? Are you saying no part of you would be put out or want to listen? No wonder she says you are showing favouritism if you are saying she isn't welcome in family talks? And as a fully grown man I am pretty sure there is no family matter so private his wife can't be involved?

On the whole they are wrong for taking so much from you, but you do seem to be confused about who is at fault?

blueskiesovertheforest · 15/03/2019 07:08

Stop giving out money. Don't make your adult son and his wife dependent upon you by paying their rent and giving them money. Gifts are for special occasions, stop giving them at random. Don't give more than you can comfortably afford.

A lot of controlling people try to control adult family members using money - this is poisonous and when an adult is willing to enter into a codependent relationship for money it's very likely to cause harm on all sides, and collateral damage to the relationship with other family members.

Your son has been with his wife 4 years.

They have daughters plural.

How many children under the age of 3 is your Dil looking after during the day, when you think she should be doing housework?

You criticise your DIL for being nosey and want your DIL to give you time alone with your son and stay out of your private life which doesn't concern her. However you are intimately interested in her private life, down to whether she posts on social media and who does what housework - you want to police her private, domestic life.

You infantilise your DIL by calling her cheeky as though she is a child and say she undermines you - with whom does she undermine you? How is this possible? Do you mean you set rules or routines for your son and grandchildren and she is unhappy about this?

sheepsheep · 15/03/2019 07:22

Pretty sure my MIL has the same opinion of me.

The truth in my case is that they give us money because they want control. We have now stopped communicating at all with them about anything financial in the hope that they will stop doing that.

My MIL's judgy pants have been wedged so high for the last 6 months, last week we realised that she actually had convinced herself of something that wasn't true and basically had no idea how I spent my days at all.

As for lifts and gifts etc that is all pretty standard family stuff but if you feel taken advantage of then your boundaries need addressed and it is your choice whether to continue as you have been or start doing things differently.

Mostly I think you are seeing what you want to see. My MIL thinks I'm keeping her son away from his family. The truth is I'm the only reason he shows up to the stuff he does. He doesn't want to deal with any of them and I encourage him to as much as I can to keep the peace.

daisychain01 · 15/03/2019 07:30

I find it unbelievable one person embodies that amount of 'evil'. There must be another side to this story.

AuntieStella · 15/03/2019 07:31

Presumably the social media marketing which pisses people off means she has been sucker d in to an MLM?

If their DC are young, then looking after them pretty much is her job for now, and trying an MLM is unfortunately a really bad plan (and one which unfortunately is cynically targeted at isolated new mothers)

You do need to talk to your DS about reducing your financial support, as that seems to be a major part of your difficulties. Work out how much you can afford, what sort of things you are prepared to pay for (consider asking for them to give you invoice to settle, rather than always giving/transferring cash as you seem to be hinting that it's not being used as described)

If expensive present is requested, tell the demandeur 'Sorry, can't stretch to that'

In other words, set some new boundaries on the things that irk you most. Including telling her to sit down and put her feet up in your house, not do the catering.

But I think you do need to alter your thinking on one point. You say she snatches DGC away just when you're having fun/bonding. It wouid help you if you reframe your thinking around that - it is up to the parents to decided when they come and go, and every moment they're with you is fun and bonding.

blueskiesovertheforest · 15/03/2019 07:39

AuntieStella I don't think the OP meant she's doing marketing for a business on social media, I think she meant she puts her "private business" (as in her personal life) on social media. She talks about things being "none of her [DIL's] business" etc.

Fishwifecalling · 15/03/2019 07:45

But if there are awful mils then there must be awful dils.

We can only go on what the op says and the situation sounds awful.

I can only agree that you need to distance yourselves. Be polite and civil but stay detached. Stop with the financial help.