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PLEASE HELP - entitled, lazy, hurtful daughter in law

156 replies

LillianRose10 · 14/03/2019 21:56

Please can I have some advice, I dont know what to do

Our son has been with his wife for 4 years. We always give them money and pay for food and rent to help them out and we buy gifts for our granddaughters regularly. Which we love to do. We offer to babysit and help out with the house and driving them places whenever possible. We always put their needs before ours even though we cant really afford it. We show them unconditional love at all times. We never interfere and had a wonderful relationship with my son until she came along. We always accepted her and treated her like family. Gave her gifts, time, money, treats, vacations, days out. We have always been very kind and respectful to her. But she is extremely jealous of our family being so close and loving and kind to each other. She is jealous of my other children and grandchildren and makes rude, hurtful comments about favouritism ect.

The problem is. Daughter in law is beyond lazy, manipulative, entitled, rude and selfish. She leaves all the housework, chores, kids and bills to my son. He has to do everything before and after a hard days work while she sits at home on social media. She is very demanding with him. He cant get any rest because of her. She expects everybody to run around after her. She has no respect for anybodys homes. When she brings the kids to ours for Sunday Lunch when my son is at work, she takes over, she makes us feel uncomfortable in our own home, she makes mess everywhere and leaves it for us to clean, throws herself on the sofa and lets her daughters run wild while we try to keep them entertained, she hints at us to go and get things for her and pick things up off the floor for her. (Hubby & I are in our 70's). She snatches the kids off us when we are bonding or having fun. But lands them on us without asking when she wants to go out and party.

My son treats her like royalty. He spoils her with love and luxury. Hes an absolute gentleman and so kind to her. But hes so tired and worn out from her demands and laziness. She constantly hides money from my son. She never stops speaking about money, money, money. She is always hinting for loans of money from us. Always hinting that she wants us to buy her certain gifts and "expensive" gifts and clothing for the children. We do so much for them and we get no thanks for it. She is so ungreatful. If we buy gifts that arent expensive she doesnt even acknowledge them and looks at them as if they are rubbish and makes us feel like its not good enough for her. She never offers to pay for anything. She runs off when its time to pay. But orders the dearest things on the menu and leaves the bill for us. They have often asked for a loan only to see she has gone out and gotten her hair or nails done the following day. Why should I be funding her lifestyle. She has never gotten us a gift or a thank you card. Or even said thank you and meant it, She just wants more & more. She really has it too easy. I don't know many families that would treat her as good as we have.

She is isolating my son from his family and friends. He cannot spend any time alone with us not even 5 minutes. She is too nosey, she listens and eavesdrops to every personal family conversation as we cant get time alone with him, and she repeats it to other outside people but adds her own version of events and lies even though its none of her business and we didnt specifically tell her, she just listens in. So we dont speak personal issues in front of her anymore. I am sick of her running with stories and telling everybody our business. She is constantly putting her own business up on social media too, making an idiot of herself. It is embarrassing. I personally think she needs to give us some privacy with issues that don't concern her.

She constantly tells my son and other people lies about us and puts thoughts in his head, filling him with rubbish, that he sometimes believes. Which causes terrible arguments and she always covers her back and tells people not to say she said anything. Everytime she causes trouble she plays the victim and pretends we got it wrong. Making us look bad. She has already caused huge rifts between my son and his brothers and sisters with her lies and manipulation. They never had any conflict before she came along. He has had issues with many of his friends since she came along. All her doing.

We let everything go and dont say anything to her for the sake of our granddaughters and son as we love them dearly and want the very best for them and want to see them as much as possible. But its getting out of hand now. She has no respect for us, shes bitter and jealous towards us for no reason. We cant handle the lies about us and the horrible treatment my son endures. He is very much in love with her and they will stay together. I dont want to say anything to him because it will cause an argument once she starts playing the victim card as usual and pretending to be nice as pie to us when he's around. And if push comes to shove we dont want her to fill our granddaughters heads with lies about us and stop us seeing them as she is so manipulative.

I dont want to be in her company anymore but I will do so for my sons and grandaughters sake but surely I shouldnt feel pressured to treat her the exact same as my son. I dont see why I should continue to buy her gifts or give her lifts places or do anything for her anymore. Especially since she has started answering us back and saying very rude cheeky comments and undermining us.

Has anybody else been in this situation. What should I do. Should I speak to my son or her? I know it will upset my son and possibly cause an argument of some sort which I don't want to happen.

OP posts:
Sallycinammonbangsthedruminthe · 15/03/2019 16:12

Hi OP..chucking my twopenneth in here...distance is what you need I think.There seems to be an over reliance on both your parts as seperate families.I would be trying to persue a differnt approach to how things are as it seems incredibly unhealthy,I would invite them for dinner once a week and if you feel inclined to treat your grandchildren then do.I would babysit only when strictly needed and back off and let them live their lives whilst you and your husband do the same.Finances for both families are and should be kept seperate what you are doing is utterly ridiculous.If again you would like to treat the grandchildren then open them a savings account for when they are older,Mum and dad are adults who are more than capable of financing their own family,if they are not then they need to learn the hard way some responsibility in order fo rthat to happen you need to disengage and close your purse,It is not ,or should not be expected that any financial help should be forthcoming from parents.You need to step back and get on with your own life so do they...this total over reliance is what is causing bad feeling on both sides....They cant breathe and neither can you ...cut the cord you are doing them no favours and to be so emotionally involved really is unhealthy...Good Luck

Eliant · 15/03/2019 16:20

So when you lived with them for six months, she never changed one nappy or made one meal? She did no cleaning but she did go to the pub every weekend and managed frequent shopping trips.

Why did you live with them, and how did you watch this strange dynamic without telling your son to grow a pair? This makes no sense.

im36degrees · 15/03/2019 16:22

@Eliant I was also wondering why if she lived there for 6 months she never said anything sooner.

It seems that she just let the children live in filthy nappies and starve for hours for 6 months until her wonderful son got home to do everything

jennymalone · 15/03/2019 16:23

I must admit... the sweeping, black and white generalisations (DIL "never" changed a single nappy? NEVER? DIL went to the pub EVERY weekend for the entire six months?) make the OP sound a bit unhinged and full of bile for the DIL, quite martyr like... however no one here can really tell if it's justified or not, because we're only getting 1 side of the story.

Wherever the truth lies, i think most posters are agreed: OP needs to step back from the toxic mess and focus on the things she can (healthily) control as a grandparent. Enjoying the grandkids, supporting her son, not giving money, etc.

HollowTalk · 15/03/2019 16:24

Oh come on, everyone. Stop acting as though the poster must be in the wrong!

jennymalone · 15/03/2019 16:32

HollowTalk do you not find some of the statements made by the OP totally and utterly incredulous? She says her son literally does "everything" before and after work, 12hrs in a manual job, whilst she knows the DIL sits the entire time on social media.

I'm sorry but I just don't believe the massive sweeping generalisations here from the OP, she couldn't possibly know these things, and for her statements to be accurate would be surreal (does DIL never do ANYTHING else, not a single thing for her kids, not a single tiny thing?)

Drum2018 · 15/03/2019 16:38

You really need to stop funding them and bailing them out. Your son really needs to grow a pair and stop giving into her demands, paying for take away etc. He should leave her laundry in the wash basket and let it build up so she has to get off her arse and do it. He has allowed himself to be turned into a doormat. She's a sahm so should be doing the bulk of the housework with him chipping in when he comes in from work and at weekends. Only he can change that. Step way back. Their happiness or lack thereof is their issue, their relationship is their business and unless your son comes to you asking for help as to how to get rid of her from the relationship then you need to stay out of it.

SausageMashandOnionGravy · 15/03/2019 16:39

You sound like a delightful mother in law. I'd love to hear her take on this situation as I have a feeling that it'd be very different to yours.

You clearly don't like this woman yet you are happy to tolerate her for YOUR grandchildren and YOUR son. You don't see this woman as family do you? She's just the vessel that brought your grandchildren along. If I was you I'd be keeping my thoughts to myself and minding my own business if you want to continue seeing your son and his family. As for giving money and gifts, don't do it if you can't afford it, you're an adult just say no.

justthecat · 15/03/2019 16:39

I don’t think there’s anything you can do, your ds is aware of how she is but still tolerates her.
He needs to tackle the issue with her.
Definitely don’t give anymore money etc.
Let him know you’re there to support him when he comes to his senses

Boysey45 · 15/03/2019 16:46

You sound like you are smothering them.
You need to step right back, stop giving them, lifts, money, food etc and let them stand on their own 2 feet.
Just see them now and again every couple of months for a couple of hours or so.They have to live their own lives and you sound too overinvested.

diddl · 15/03/2019 16:47

Stop giving money, stop letting her "land" the kids on you.

"He cannot spend any time alone with us not even 5 minutes. "

How far away are they?

Too far to pop in after work?

He's bitching to you-but what's he doin other than enabling her?

coffeeismyspinach · 15/03/2019 16:47

So stop giving them money. What is his 'hard days' work' breaking rocks all day?

AnnaMagnani · 15/03/2019 16:50

You have to stop giving them money.

Your DS has told you she spends it all on rubbish, there are clearly issues in the marriage but she manages to manipulate the situation to keep him in it and others feeling sorry for her/bailing them out.

Each time you bail them out, you are actually prolonging the marriage or stopping her from growing up.

You need to shut the bank of mum and dad - you don't have the money, you have to be fair to all siblings whatever reason just shut the bank. Plus no toys and gifts except at Christmas and Birthdays - packet of chocolate buttons each visit only.

When your DS actually has to deal with his wife on his own he will have to solve the issues or split up.

Mmmmbrekkie · 15/03/2019 16:51

Op

I don’t know your DIL from Adam

I feel bloody sorry for her having a MIL like you though!

Margot33 · 15/03/2019 16:55

Stop giving them money. Deactivate your face book account. Decide how often you will babysit and stick to it. When she visits on a Sunday ask her nicely to help you tidy up before you go. I promise, you will feel instantly better.

MyFamilyAndOtherAnimals1 · 15/03/2019 17:04

The person who wrote this original post is either a troll, or is someone who reminds me very much of my own manipulative, emotionally stunted mother.

Reading between the lines, it sounds like the DS's wife is a busy normal person, who shares everything with her husband, has a bit of a chaotic life (but doesn't mind).

Intohellbutstayingstrong · 15/03/2019 17:05

I wonder how different some of these replies would be if the OP was talking about her son in law.
Like hell would posters be wanting to 'hear his side of the story'
Usual bullshit MN double standards. ' Hmm

Lavenderdays · 15/03/2019 17:05

My son was involved with an extremely cunning and manipulative young woman. She managed to get him cut off from us, friends and family.

I know someone else like this, not only did she become estranged from some of her own family, she then caused major problems amongst her partners family. She was a financial leach and tried to live always above her means, then came up with many hair brained schemes (instead of finding a p/t job) which landed them with more debt and she expected to be subbed by family members (who strangely were willing to sub her - probably more so for the grandchildren's sakes).

Whilst subbing them and babysitting, you are actually enabling the relationship to continue on the way it is. It's a horrible situation but unlikely to change unless your son wants it to/can't cope anymore. He is enabling it also.

BMW6 · 15/03/2019 17:13

Op you are enabling her behaviour and are enabling your son to continue enabling her.

Until and unless you stop doing it nothing will ever change. You cannot change her behaviours (or your sons for that matter) - only your own.

The only advice anyone here can give is for you to stop it!

RedBerryTea · 15/03/2019 17:14

I have an acquaintance; she's a nice girl but she's hard work and always has been. That's fine and I accept that about her because I don't spend much time with her and she can be good fun. Her partner has been with her for around 15 years, they're both mid 30's now. He obviously knew what she was like and accepted it (although we've always wondered how he copes with her histrionics, and his family don't like her because of how she treats him). They married 3 years ago and now have a 2 year old DD and my god that bloke looks haunted. It's tempting to think "poor 'Peter'" (not his name), but HE MARRIED HER, HE KNEW WHAT SHE WAS LIKE AND SHE HASN'T CHANGED. Sorry but your son has made his bed, you don't have a DIL problem you have a DS problem. She sounds horrendous, but HE MARRIED HER. You need to take a big step back and let them get on with it.

diddl · 15/03/2019 17:16

"My son was involved with an extremely cunning and manipulative young woman. She managed to get him cut off from us, friends and family."

How?

What was she saying/doing to convince him not to see family & friends anymore?

AnnaMagnani · 15/03/2019 17:21

HE MARRIED HER, HE KNEW WHAT SHE WAS LIKE AND SHE HASN'T CHANGED

This, a thousand times this.

When your DS phones you up to tell you how horrible she is, yes you can say you love him forever and you will always have his back but you also need to tell him that she is his wife and he needs to solve his marriage problems with her, not keep bringing you in to it.

I remember v early in my marriage ringing my DM up to have a good whinge about DH's shortcomings and being most put out that she didn't want to hear it. But she was right - either he was so bad I should leave, in which case I had her full support, or I needed to get on and solve it with him. She was no part of my marriage. And so I had to get on and actually sort stuff out like an adult rather than enjoy the drama of telling my DM tattle-tales.

OhGood · 15/03/2019 17:22

diddl

It's not impossible that someone can manipulate their partner into not seeing friends and family. It's a feature of domestic abuse, used by the abuser as a form of control.

diddl · 15/03/2019 17:28

"It's not impossible that someone can manipulate their partner into not seeing friends and family."

I'm not saying that it's impossible, just wondering how it happens I suppose when relationships with family & friends are good.

I think it's probably something my MIL would have said, although the lessening of contact came from her son.

MeganBacon · 15/03/2019 17:29

I'm going to take your post at face value OP.
You are enabling this, and your son is enabling it too. You need to stop, draw your boundaries fairly, limit your kindness to being nice and polite at all times, go as far as being hospitable when they are at your home but pay for nothing more than that - no holidays, no free lifts, no putting yourself out for them financially or in terms of undue effort. If your son queries this, talk about redefining the boundaries because you feel the current boundaries are not good for your happiness and put you under too much strain. They can't be good for him either and he'll hopefully eventually follow your lead. Be lovely but be firm.