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PLEASE HELP - entitled, lazy, hurtful daughter in law

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LillianRose10 · 14/03/2019 21:56

Please can I have some advice, I dont know what to do

Our son has been with his wife for 4 years. We always give them money and pay for food and rent to help them out and we buy gifts for our granddaughters regularly. Which we love to do. We offer to babysit and help out with the house and driving them places whenever possible. We always put their needs before ours even though we cant really afford it. We show them unconditional love at all times. We never interfere and had a wonderful relationship with my son until she came along. We always accepted her and treated her like family. Gave her gifts, time, money, treats, vacations, days out. We have always been very kind and respectful to her. But she is extremely jealous of our family being so close and loving and kind to each other. She is jealous of my other children and grandchildren and makes rude, hurtful comments about favouritism ect.

The problem is. Daughter in law is beyond lazy, manipulative, entitled, rude and selfish. She leaves all the housework, chores, kids and bills to my son. He has to do everything before and after a hard days work while she sits at home on social media. She is very demanding with him. He cant get any rest because of her. She expects everybody to run around after her. She has no respect for anybodys homes. When she brings the kids to ours for Sunday Lunch when my son is at work, she takes over, she makes us feel uncomfortable in our own home, she makes mess everywhere and leaves it for us to clean, throws herself on the sofa and lets her daughters run wild while we try to keep them entertained, she hints at us to go and get things for her and pick things up off the floor for her. (Hubby & I are in our 70's). She snatches the kids off us when we are bonding or having fun. But lands them on us without asking when she wants to go out and party.

My son treats her like royalty. He spoils her with love and luxury. Hes an absolute gentleman and so kind to her. But hes so tired and worn out from her demands and laziness. She constantly hides money from my son. She never stops speaking about money, money, money. She is always hinting for loans of money from us. Always hinting that she wants us to buy her certain gifts and "expensive" gifts and clothing for the children. We do so much for them and we get no thanks for it. She is so ungreatful. If we buy gifts that arent expensive she doesnt even acknowledge them and looks at them as if they are rubbish and makes us feel like its not good enough for her. She never offers to pay for anything. She runs off when its time to pay. But orders the dearest things on the menu and leaves the bill for us. They have often asked for a loan only to see she has gone out and gotten her hair or nails done the following day. Why should I be funding her lifestyle. She has never gotten us a gift or a thank you card. Or even said thank you and meant it, She just wants more & more. She really has it too easy. I don't know many families that would treat her as good as we have.

She is isolating my son from his family and friends. He cannot spend any time alone with us not even 5 minutes. She is too nosey, she listens and eavesdrops to every personal family conversation as we cant get time alone with him, and she repeats it to other outside people but adds her own version of events and lies even though its none of her business and we didnt specifically tell her, she just listens in. So we dont speak personal issues in front of her anymore. I am sick of her running with stories and telling everybody our business. She is constantly putting her own business up on social media too, making an idiot of herself. It is embarrassing. I personally think she needs to give us some privacy with issues that don't concern her.

She constantly tells my son and other people lies about us and puts thoughts in his head, filling him with rubbish, that he sometimes believes. Which causes terrible arguments and she always covers her back and tells people not to say she said anything. Everytime she causes trouble she plays the victim and pretends we got it wrong. Making us look bad. She has already caused huge rifts between my son and his brothers and sisters with her lies and manipulation. They never had any conflict before she came along. He has had issues with many of his friends since she came along. All her doing.

We let everything go and dont say anything to her for the sake of our granddaughters and son as we love them dearly and want the very best for them and want to see them as much as possible. But its getting out of hand now. She has no respect for us, shes bitter and jealous towards us for no reason. We cant handle the lies about us and the horrible treatment my son endures. He is very much in love with her and they will stay together. I dont want to say anything to him because it will cause an argument once she starts playing the victim card as usual and pretending to be nice as pie to us when he's around. And if push comes to shove we dont want her to fill our granddaughters heads with lies about us and stop us seeing them as she is so manipulative.

I dont want to be in her company anymore but I will do so for my sons and grandaughters sake but surely I shouldnt feel pressured to treat her the exact same as my son. I dont see why I should continue to buy her gifts or give her lifts places or do anything for her anymore. Especially since she has started answering us back and saying very rude cheeky comments and undermining us.

Has anybody else been in this situation. What should I do. Should I speak to my son or her? I know it will upset my son and possibly cause an argument of some sort which I don't want to happen.

OP posts:
Fairylea · 15/03/2019 07:51

Stop giving them money. They’re adults. You don’t need to support them financially.

Tooner · 15/03/2019 07:54

OP, What and awful situation to be in. She is taking advantage of your good nature and you are letting her. She sounds like a vindictave little cow. There are women out there who don't like their husbands and kids being close to their parents, perhaps she hasn't got that bond with hers and is jealous, or perhaps she is just a nasty piece of work period.
Continue being your nice self but stop giving her money and gifts. Just tell your son you cant afford it anymore.

blueskiesovertheforest · 15/03/2019 07:56

Fishwifecalling they could well be as bad as each other.

The financial arrangements are certainly massively damaging on both sides and it sounds like a toxic codependency on both sides - is this the OP, the OP's husband, and the OP's son cannot be less culpable than the Dil though, it's not something she can have set up alone!

The son and DIL must have at least two children under the age of 3 if they've been together 4 years and have daughters plural. This makes the laziness accusations directed at the children's mother look rather cruel.

The OP criticises her DIL for answering her back, being cheeky and not minding her own business...

These people need to disentangle themselves from each others lives significantly - clearly neither generation of adults are positive forces in the other generation's lives ATM! That doesn't mean "no contact" but no financial entanglement to start with. The rest looks messy and it's blatantly obvious that the entire post contradicts the OP's claim that she doesn't interfere!

Walkmehome · 15/03/2019 08:16

Your son is obviously happy to accept money for rent and food. Why is that? Does he not earn enough to support the family? He must know about the money you give her too. Why does he not say anything if he doesn’t agree with it?

If he wants to treat her like royalty, that is his choice. He must be getting something from it.

FemalePersonator · 15/03/2019 08:17

I'd like to hear the other side.

winsinbin · 15/03/2019 08:18

Stop giving them money you can’t afford. If they ask tell them politely that money is tight and you have none to spare.

Stop being Sunday lunch caterers , if she brings the GC over give them sandwiches or pizza so you have time to spend with the children. The kids won’t mind and it will take the pressure off you.

Don’t say a single solitary word of criticism to your son or to her. Her lifestyle choices and the dynamics of their relationship are none of your business and you don’t want to give her any reason to drop the two of you like a stone.

Apart from this carry on being the loving and supportive parents and grandparents you are. Try and rise above her shenanigans and trust other people to see through her games.

picklemepopcorn · 15/03/2019 08:26

I sympathise, you must worry so much for your GDs and Son. You can't change other people, you can only change yourself.

Try and think more kindly of her- imagine she may have some right on her side- perhaps your son goes on and on about how wonderful you are and she's kicking back against that. Maybe she has a health problem or difficult history you are unaware of.

You do need to set your own boundaries. Stop giving them money. Help out with things for the children- shoes and uniform can be a struggle. Maybe take the girls on an outing.

You are just as responsible for your relationship as they are.

MistressDeeCee · 15/03/2019 08:51

It sounds as if you totally live your life through your son. You use money to keep him tied to your apron strings and so that you can constantly be a part of his life and relationship.

You are aiming to buy the 2 of them. His wife will be aware of that, and I'm not surprised she doesn't like you even if she takes your money.

The thing is, giving people money does not mean that you will get all the say- so in their lives. it's also not a guarantee that they will bow down and be super-grateful to you and live their life the way you feel they should.

I'd guess your son likes his relationship. He could be a submissive for all you know. Or just the kind that leaves everything to his wife in man-child style so she looks like the baddie.

Step back, leave them to their relationship, stop with the money, get a hobby and a life.

You are too involved with your son and that was never going to end well.

Whatever his wife may be like he is the one that has to deal with her, not you.

HeyCarrieAnneWhatsYourGame · 15/03/2019 08:55

Try and take a step back. I’m a daughter in law rather than a mother in law, but my in laws are hard work and I find the more I try and just keep out of it and keep a clear head, the better things are. Zip it.

FinallyHere · 15/03/2019 09:15

While we can't be sure with out hearing both sides, it sounds as if you have a DS problem rather than a DiL problem.

LillianRose10 · 15/03/2019 13:02

JUST TO CLARIFY A FEW POINTS. My son has stated to me multiple times that he is stressed out with her spending habbits and he is exhausted from work and her leaving all the housework and kids for him to do after a long days work. which I have witnessed myself. He pays for everything and he also gives her some money for herself. She refuses to cook his dinner and insists he buys take aways for her instead. She asks him to cook the kids dinners after his 12 hour shift of a very physical job. He has to do his & her laundry and clean the house, as she says she hates cleaning. She has also never worked a day in her life, She has no income and relies solely on my sons income. That is why I help out when they ask as I do not want him or my granddaughters to go hungry or the rent to be skipped. Her own family and friends have cut her off due to her attitude and greed. My son always pays back any money I have given him. On at least 4 occaisions he handed her the money to give to me and she pocketed it and kept it for herself. And I meant her personal business on social media, not work business, as she has never had a job. She is constantly asking me for lifts to cornwall which is an hour away and if I tell her im busy or cant afford the petrol she gets mad at me and tells my son a ton of lies. I am not the only one who is sick of her behaviour. And I can assure you I am not a crazy interfering old granny. I help when they ask. I don't buy their affection. I simply help out when they ask as I don't want my granddaughters or son to go hungry or lose their home. She starts to cry if anybody asks her why she lied about a situation and dragged our names through the dirt. We have been nothing but kind and caring towards her

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Stormyday · 15/03/2019 13:13

What does he see in her then?

kenandbarbie · 15/03/2019 13:28

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Steamfan · 15/03/2019 13:29

My son was involved with an extremely cunning and manipulative young woman. She managed to get him cut off from us, friends and family. As all MN readers will know, it's very hard to escape from emotional abuse, and even strong minded people can be sucked in. I couldn't believe how this woman did this. Happily for us she found another better paid man, and left my son - it took 10 years tho'. I don't think that you can do anything about this - you just have to step back and away, I'm sorry I can't be more helpful

LillianRose10 · 15/03/2019 14:10

AGAIN I WANT TO POINT OUT A FEW THINGS FOR THOSE THAT HAVE ASKED ME QUESTIONS. I have listened to all advice, but its a bit ridiculous when a certain few are twisting and disecting my words. I obviously wont write every last detail down or I will be here all day so if somebody has taken up my words wrong I appologise that I wasnt detailed or explained enough for you.

I asked for advice on what I should do. I didnt ask to be judged with people implying I am making it up or exhaggerating. Her own family warned us she was a bad egg and we still gave her the benefit of the doubt & welcomed her into the family with open arms. I am an honest woman. As if I would bother my behind to make up some sort of lies. It seems the good advice I have been given are from those who experience this and who have actually been in this situation. Big thank you to those who have actually listened and been helpful with advice. ps. I dont want to change her, I want her to treat my son and grandchildren with more respect and stop lying and manipulating us x

I want the best for son and granddaughters and for my daughter in law too. I have always been fair to my daughter in law and treated her with respect and kindness. I have never said anything nasty to her for the sake of my family. All my other sons & daughters in law are amazing and we get on so well and they often say they are blessed with such good grandparents to their children. None of them have issues with our family except her. I have had neighbors and friends telling me she has called us names and saying my son is too good for her. I have seen proof of text messages that she has told blatant lies about members of my family and we have proof that they are lies. From 8.30 until 5 oclock the kids are in school, after school club and the smaller one is in creche. Which my son either takes them if he has a day off or her neighbour takes them and collects them. My son gets them up early and gets them ready. She stays in bed. Obviously when I am babysitting she is not there. When they visit as a family she snatches the kids away when we are having fun them. When they visit us he is not allowed to be alone with us or have any fun. She has him outside minding the kids in the garden while she relaxes. If she sees anyone in the family go outside to chat to him, she jumps off the couch to go and listen. She will not allow him to be in the company of his sisters in law either. She made it clear she will not stand for it. Of course he should help out with housework and the kids, but he shouldnt be doing it all himself after 12 hour shifts while she does nothing all day. He has asked her multiple times to start helping out and she starts screaming and crying. I do not pay for his food and rent every week. Only when they need help as he doesnt have great wages and his rent in expensive. And yes when she visits for Sunday Lunch my son is at work, and she has myself and my husband in our 70's running after her children looking after them. I also see him doing all the housework and looking after the kids all the time while she paints her nails and sit down smoking fags and chatting to friends on the phone or on facebook. I also lived with them for 6 months. And she didnt do as much as change a nappy or make a meal but she wanted the pub every weekend and shopping trips and everything handed to her. My son did most of her cleaning for her, I did the rest. I had to clean up after her at my age. I asked her to help out and she got angry and started to shout at me. Which I didnt tell my son as he would be disgusted with her & I didnt want to cause arguments. I have seen her start arguments the minute he walks in the door from work and demanding he d things for her. Also she was more than welcome to sit in on family matters until she started spreading them around the area and adding on lies. And to whoever made the stupid comparison, My son is NOT an addict or alcoholic. Hes a hardworking man. He doesnt even drink or smoke.

OP posts:
im36degrees · 15/03/2019 14:26

First of all, stop giving them money. That's it. No unnecessary gifts, don't pay their rent. They are grown ups with children and can stand on their own two feet. You seem to think your son is an angel and this woman is the devil incarnate. I highly doubt that's the case. You come across as though you think this woman is "stealing" your son from you. You don't seem to like this woman at all. You go on about how you want your son and granddaughters to be happy, but your daughter in law is part of their family too and if they have come up with an arrangement they obviously think it's working for them. Maybe if you take a step back things might change, but I doubt it, because they chose this. I'm assuming your son is intelligent enough to make his own decisions in life without running to mummy with his problems.

I also think it's interesting how you always call them her daughters, and say she lets them run around etc. They are your son's daughters too and he is just as responsible for their behaviour. Just because he works full time doesn't mean he has no responsibility for his children or his home or basic chores. I doubt he's doing EVERYTHING as you say, I expect he's doing his share and you seem to think he shouldn't be.

I apologise if this comes across as harsh, it is not my intention, but I feel you are putting your son on such a pedestal (and probably have all his life) that you don't think anybody would ever be good enough for him.

Leave them to it, withdraw the funds, stop running around after them at their every whim and see what happens. Also, if he comes telling you his every marital issue, tell him to discuss them with his wife. It might be worth you having a discussion with them to see if there's anything else going on as you are concerned about the fact they are always borrowing money and can't pay their rent etc.

MistressDeeCee · 15/03/2019 15:03

You've pointed out further things OP but - so what? Stop giving her money then. Dont accept rudeness. Focus on your grandchildren.

It all sounds ridiculously claustrophobic. She is your son's wife, and his choice. It doesn't matter if you write 1000 words about her, you are making yourself sound over-involved. That's likely why so many are advising take a step back.

You can tell a lot about people via how they live and who they choose. Your son is a grown man still being financed by you and that doesn't suggest a man able to help support his own family. Yet you are blaming his wife for everything.

Let go of the apron strings fgs go and find something to do that doesn't revolve around you thinking about your son and his family.

& If you wanted to stop funding and gazing at them then you would. Instead you're still stuck moaning about his wife and marriage, so I guess that's all you want to do.

Good luck with that.

IHateUncleJamie · 15/03/2019 15:03

If this woman is emotionally abusing your son, unfortunately you are enabling her behaviour by giving your DS money, having her round when your ds is at work, cleaning up after her and so on. Your DS is also enabling her. From your side of the story, she does sound vile but if she’s going to stir up trouble and lie about you anyway, why don’t you call her bluff and stop giving money, lifts, cooking and cleaning up after her?

While everyone runs around after her, she’s not going to change because why on earth would she? You need to set boundaries for yourself and stop enabling this woman. At the moment it sounds like she’s running your entire family and holding you all to ransom. Something has to change. You can’t change her but you can change how you treat her, and you can stop enabling her.

MrsTeaspoon · 15/03/2019 15:38

If your son is working then they have food to feed the children, by you giving money you are making the situation worse as he doesn’t seem to be seeing the reality baldly. No money and draw right back from all the drama...he is choosing this and you have to let him fully see the consequences of his wife’s actions and let him decide what to do about it. I have adult children...they get no money and would not expect any as they are fully capable and not vulnerable. Honestly, you need to pull back a lot as you are enabling him and he is enabling her....it’s a chain, all linked.

blueskiesovertheforest · 15/03/2019 15:49

The advice is stop giving them money. Your son is, you say, a competent adult. It's his relationship and his family. Take several large steps back. If your son works full time and can't pay his bills he needs to check whether he's entitled to any benefits which he isn't claiming, and seek advice about better managing any debt. He needs to take charge of his life. You mixing in and handing out money keeps him in a helpless dependent rut. It's his life, his issues, his relationship and you are stopping him stepping up and growing up and owning his own problems.

Btw how do they have school aged children if they've only been together 4 years?

Grumpelstilskin · 15/03/2019 15:55

Stop enabling her/them by not subsidising them any longer. Don't pander to her anymore. Also you need to realise that you hold some power too if your DIL wants childcare, as she by your own words has no one else. Go LC for a bit or even NC.

jennymalone · 15/03/2019 15:56

OP, i want to echo the others.

you describe many many bad traits of your DIL, but your Son has clearly chosen to be with her - stop focusing so much on how bad she is, and concentrate on the things you can control.

You can:

  • stop giving them money
  • stop cooking/doing so much so you're overly involved in their lives, if DIL (and presumably son?) are ungrateful, just STOP
  • providing support to your Son if he comes to you for help, e.g. if he also believes that he's being emotionally abused, there are support groups out there, you can support him to leave IF that's what he wants

Focus on enjoying being with your grandchildren, stop focusing so much on the bad traits your DIL has - she's your son's wife, and there's nothing you can do about that bit (in fact, trying to buy influence with them sounds like it's working against you!).

Seriously OP, step back, and start to consider what healthy boundaries with both your son and DIL look like.

Your posts are extremely, unrealistically black and white but essentially describe a messy, toxic interfamilial relationship - you need to extricate yourself a bit, if not for your own mental health.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 15/03/2019 15:57

but surely I shouldnt feel pressured to treat her the exact same as my son. I dont see why I should continue to buy her gifts or give her lifts places or do anything for her anymore

Exactly. STOP! Stop throwing money and gifts and her. Stop paying their rent Confused When she's at your place; ask her to help.

You can't stop your son from being a doormat but you can stop acting like one yourself.

winsinbin · 15/03/2019 16:07

This gets more extreme the more you tell us OP. Even her family say she’s a bad egg and her husband complains about her behind his back. (How loyal and supportive they are, lucky woman).

And you say you don’t want to change her OP, you just want to change her behaviour to her husband, her children and to you. That sounds like changing her into a completely different person to me.

The only behaviour you can change is your own OP. If you make the choice to continue carry on running around after her and giving away money you tell us you can’t afford then everything will continue On the current path. If you and Your DH decide to draw some boundaries and let your son and DIL take care of themselves and their DC without your assistance maybe one or both of them will change. Unless you change your own behaviour, you will never know.

If the worst comes to the worst and DGC are hungry and the family stand to lose their home then you could offer to help out in some way again but it probably wasn’t come to that if they see you can no longer be emotionally blackmailed into parenting them and their children.

CallMeRachel · 15/03/2019 16:10

You sound like a nasty bitch

The hatred and pure venom for your sons wife is pouring out in your OP.

She leaves all the housework, chores, kids and bills to my son. He has to do everything before and after a hard days work while she sits at home on social media.

How could you possibly know this?? And why do you care?
Your son is presumably an adult without any disabilities preventing him from speaking up for himself, yes? Butt out!!

You said he treats her with luxury and love, hardly the actions of someone who is utterly miserable is it?

Do you throw money around in an attempt to exert control over them?

Mess, like what? Whatever she's leaving messy why not say something to her there and then? You need to accept she is your sons choice of life partner and your toxic feelings about her is only going to poison yourself.

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