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Fiancé won’t help pay for the wedding!

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CambridgeKat25 · 10/03/2019 00:56

Hi, I need some advice on how to move forward on a problem I have with my fiancé. We’re getting married in June and everything is booked and sorted. We’ve been together for 6 years, living together for 1 and a half, and he’s always paid his half of the bills no problem. However, it’s been a consistent problem that he’s always in debt (large credit card bill each month, living from his overdraft, etc).

When we moved in, his father paid our deposit and the rest of the moving budget was covered by me alone - including all furniture and decorating, totalling many thousands of £ from my savings that I’d sacrificed much to earn (I was only 24 and not in a particularly high paid job). He saw his contribution as the large sum put in by his father. I’ve tried to let this slide and have succeeded until now, when financial tensions have re-surfaced due to the wedding.

He’s insistent he has no money, and budget sheets verify this. We earn the same amount, but with his commuting train fare and large debts, he has very little spare income. I accept this and I’m glad my income is slightly more balanced so I can contribute more to house repairs to take the pressure off us.

However, what spare income he does have isn’t coming to me to pay his debt to me. I paid for most of the wedding myself, and I’ve borrowed the rest from my dad. I am now solely paying dad’s loan back by myself, as well as having more final payments looming - plus everything I’ve already spent. On his side, he’s contributed £100 total. It’s upsetting me and the pressure is too much. I’m a freelancer and don’t exactly have loads left over myself. I also sell some graphic design bits online for extra cash. If this carries on, I’ll need a 3rd job as I can’t pay for an entire wedding like this. I’m not feeling sorry for myself, but it’s nice to get this off my chest.

We’ve had 3 or 4 very big discussions about this but nothing changes, even though he understands the implications on me. He says he has no cash, then he’ll impulse transfer me £50 to shut me up - making it obvious he’s now on zero until payday, and blaming me. I don’t see any regular or impulse payments after this happens. If I kept quiet after this, I’d never see another penny. He isn’t prepared to set up a regular payment as he ‘never knows what he’ll have left.’

Tonight he went for a beer with his friends. Fine, I think, he still needs a life and a beer is only £5. Now I find out he’s gone to another city and is clubbing. When this happens, upwards of £50 will be spent. This will be his only spare money the entire month. I also found out when I was away last week he bought 2 takeaways and lots of beer in my absence.

I am furious that I am sacrificing almost all my activities to pay for this wedding and he is doing nothing. I appreciate he is poor at the moment but I assumed he’d want to help any way he could. I want him to have a life and have fun but in a restrained way so we can equally share the burden and rewards. I’ve been endlessly fair and restrained.

I’ve previously given an ultimatum that I will cancel the wedding if he doesn’t try and save up - but his stubbornness and pride means any difficult conversation is just shut down and never brought back up. Ultimatums and threats are useless if he doesn’t listen.

I am completely lost, frustrated, and scared. He’s not like this about anything other than money. Any ideas how I can resolve this without causing the ‘shut down’ we have no matter how understanding I am in conversation?!

OP posts:
Blankscreen · 10/03/2019 08:20

Op I think you need to sit him down and say you can't afford to pay for the wedding yourself and you'll have to postpone it/ change it, and then cancel the current plans.

Thing is if he is in loads of debt then as a 'couple' you shouldn't be blowing loads of money on the wedding.
By the sounds of it he isn't bothered about the wedding, maybe he doesn't want to spend out loads on it but hasn't got the balls to tell you?

So get the wedding cancelled and then sit down with him and work out a budget for him to live off and to start paying the debt off. Give him 3 -6 months to see if he makes any effort.

If he doesn't then you need to reconsider marrying him at all.

TheInvestigator · 10/03/2019 08:20

Read all the threads about women with children and a partner who sees his money as his, but her money as theirs. She ends up paying for everything for the kids, and they all struggle apart from him, because he keeps all his money for himself. This will be you once he's paid off his debts.

If it's historic debt, then he clearly isn't bothered about getting it paid off. If it's new debt every month then he's going to be living like for the rest of his life whilst you sacrifice everything you want to support your family financially.

He's not worth it. He is not the only man out there. It will be painful for a time, but then you will get over him and can build a life with someone who actually respects you.

llangennith · 10/03/2019 08:21

CambridgeKat25 Please read your opening post as if it were written.by someone else. What advice would you give? Probably the same as most people on here.
He's not going to change and you'll never have any financial security. You'll never be able to depend on him or trust him where money is concerned. However hard it seems you really cannot stay with this man. Stop all wedding plans

BruceAndNosh · 10/03/2019 08:21

It's all very well him being a lovely perfect partner apart from this one problem with money. But that single issue will affect all the good stuff and ruin it

Arowana · 10/03/2019 08:25

OP, did you know that research has indicated that money is the single biggest source of arguments between couples? So it may seem like one small thing but it could lead to a lot of conflict!

bagpiss · 10/03/2019 08:25

Do. Not . Marry. This. Bloke.

Espressomartin · 10/03/2019 08:27

If I could somehow get through to him and force him to talk, I feel there could be a resolution.

You’re deluding yourself because you love him OP.

Ginger1982 · 10/03/2019 08:27

You probably don't want to hear these responses and you're scared to make the break away from him. You have to cancel the wedding. No good can come from this.

barkinatthemoon · 10/03/2019 08:27

I would also cancel the wedding and cut your losses now. He sounds like he's going to drag you BOTH down a deep dark hole of debt, once you're married you're financially tied to him for better or worse. He sounds highly irresponsible and I'd personally be veey concerned about being tied to someone with such little regard for their actions. Where is his self motivation to get out of the debt and help you pay this huge expense of a wedding? Would he be this awful with managing money if you decide to have children and you have to sacrifice your wage to go on maternity leave? How could he foot the bills and mortgage then? All things to consider if you're planning a family in the future. Don't want to worry you, but this would be a huge issue to me, my partner had to pay for 90% of everything since we've had babies, and I couldn't imagine what struggles we'd face if he wasn't able to do that, or manage money correctly.

bebeboeuf · 10/03/2019 08:28

Been there, got the t-shirt

(T-shirt being the divorce when I couldn’t take any more of the financially crap man who had got us into debt countless times)

Gruzinkerbell1 · 10/03/2019 08:30

Don't marry him OP. Not right now. See if postponing the wedding shocks him into growing up and prioritising his relationship and future with you. If it doesn't then walk away and thank your lucky stars you don't have to get divorced.

P.S If you do plough ahead and marry this man child, try to protect your assets. When you get sick of the same old shit a decade from now and file for divorce, he'll be eligible to a nice chunk of your hard earned savings.

MrsBertBibby · 10/03/2019 08:30

Never mind him not being ready to marry. If you are talking about him owing you money, you are not ready, and clearly have zero grasp of what marriage means.

Cancel the wedding. Or start saving up for your divorce.

MsSquiz · 10/03/2019 08:31

Why did you start planning and paying for a wedding when you knew he was not able to contribute financially?

bebeboeuf · 10/03/2019 08:31

On a more serious note - I didn’t have the advice of mumsnetters back when I was getting married.
If I had, would it have made any difference?
I’m not too sure.
I was quite a stubborn person myself back then and wanted to prove to the world that I could make it work.

I couldn’t.
I wish I had cancelled that wedding when I had doubts and warning signs all over the place.
I’m happy now and remarried but I still hold onto a lot of hurt and anger around my exh

OxanaVorontsova · 10/03/2019 08:32

There is no way you can afford to get in to this marriage at this stage. Neither of you is ready.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/03/2019 08:32

What are you getting out of this relationship now?. Something has and is keeping you with this manchild so what is it?. You would not be staying with him if you were not getting anything out of this.

His father has undoubtedly enabled him and you certainly have. Enabling however, does not help and it only gives you a false sense of control.

If you marry this man it will end in divorce, no two ways about it. You will have a financial as well as an emotional millstone around your neck, do not do this to yourself. He is already dragging you down with him.

He was never yours to rescue and or save either and you need to ask yourself what exactly attracted you to him in the first place. He was your fixer upper or project either, this is he and he is a financial nightmare.

Hotterthanahotthing · 10/03/2019 08:33

Cancel the wedding.
Do you even know what debts he has,all if them?

JollyAndBright · 10/03/2019 08:34

Imagine you marry him.... ten years down the line you have DCs with him...
You are paying for all of the childcare, after school clubs, kids clothes, uniforms, activities, school lunches and all the increases in food bills and household expenses while he still gives you exactly what he gives you now because he ‘doesn’t have anymore to give you’.
Every so often you will have the same conversation again, he will give you £50 and that will be it.... nothing will ever change.

if He ever pays off the debt I can almost guarantee he will either run up another one or find something else that the money has to go on.... you will never see a penny of it.

This now is how your life will always be.

You may think he is a wonderful partner, a loving man and your best friend but he knows exactly how this is affecting you and he’s not doing anything to try to help, he is showing you exactly how much he cares and respects you, pay attention.

madcatladyforever · 10/03/2019 08:34

Why are you marrying this man. It's madness.

bumpsadaisy11 · 10/03/2019 08:34

Show him this thread OP

Walkmehome · 10/03/2019 08:35

What’s his view on getting married in his current financial position? Who has driven the wedding plans?

barkinatthemoon · 10/03/2019 08:36

Maybe postponing the wedding would be a good idea. It would show him you're taking things seriously, and would give him time to sort his life out. Putting a hold on things until you're in a better position to move forward financially will hopefully be a wake up call to him, and maybe hurry him into making some changes. It will also bide you some time to decide if you really want to go ahead with the wedding.

You can put it nicely.....

"I've been thinking that putting this financial strain on us while you're still trying to sort out your debt isn't fair, so let's put a hold on things until that's all sorted and then we can carry on with the wedding plans at a later date and not have to compromise and worry about the costs as much. I physically can't afford to pay for everything myself so until you're in a position to contribute fairly, which I can't expect you to do at the moment with the debt still lingering, let's postpone."

See how he reacts to that.

HermioneWeasley · 10/03/2019 08:37

Another voice saying do not marry him. If you do, it won’t work and when you divorce he’ll clean you out - half the equity in the hous that you’ve created, half your pension because he’s too feckless to be paying into one.

His selfishness and irresponsibility will kill your respect and any love for him over time.

Accountant222 · 10/03/2019 08:37

Pull out now, of the wedding and the relationship, or be prepared for financial misery all your life.

AnyFucker · 10/03/2019 08:38

You would be committing financial suicide if you marry this man

You have been warned. Rarely are MN threads so unanimous. Will you take heed ?

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