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Fiancé won’t help pay for the wedding!

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CambridgeKat25 · 10/03/2019 00:56

Hi, I need some advice on how to move forward on a problem I have with my fiancé. We’re getting married in June and everything is booked and sorted. We’ve been together for 6 years, living together for 1 and a half, and he’s always paid his half of the bills no problem. However, it’s been a consistent problem that he’s always in debt (large credit card bill each month, living from his overdraft, etc).

When we moved in, his father paid our deposit and the rest of the moving budget was covered by me alone - including all furniture and decorating, totalling many thousands of £ from my savings that I’d sacrificed much to earn (I was only 24 and not in a particularly high paid job). He saw his contribution as the large sum put in by his father. I’ve tried to let this slide and have succeeded until now, when financial tensions have re-surfaced due to the wedding.

He’s insistent he has no money, and budget sheets verify this. We earn the same amount, but with his commuting train fare and large debts, he has very little spare income. I accept this and I’m glad my income is slightly more balanced so I can contribute more to house repairs to take the pressure off us.

However, what spare income he does have isn’t coming to me to pay his debt to me. I paid for most of the wedding myself, and I’ve borrowed the rest from my dad. I am now solely paying dad’s loan back by myself, as well as having more final payments looming - plus everything I’ve already spent. On his side, he’s contributed £100 total. It’s upsetting me and the pressure is too much. I’m a freelancer and don’t exactly have loads left over myself. I also sell some graphic design bits online for extra cash. If this carries on, I’ll need a 3rd job as I can’t pay for an entire wedding like this. I’m not feeling sorry for myself, but it’s nice to get this off my chest.

We’ve had 3 or 4 very big discussions about this but nothing changes, even though he understands the implications on me. He says he has no cash, then he’ll impulse transfer me £50 to shut me up - making it obvious he’s now on zero until payday, and blaming me. I don’t see any regular or impulse payments after this happens. If I kept quiet after this, I’d never see another penny. He isn’t prepared to set up a regular payment as he ‘never knows what he’ll have left.’

Tonight he went for a beer with his friends. Fine, I think, he still needs a life and a beer is only £5. Now I find out he’s gone to another city and is clubbing. When this happens, upwards of £50 will be spent. This will be his only spare money the entire month. I also found out when I was away last week he bought 2 takeaways and lots of beer in my absence.

I am furious that I am sacrificing almost all my activities to pay for this wedding and he is doing nothing. I appreciate he is poor at the moment but I assumed he’d want to help any way he could. I want him to have a life and have fun but in a restrained way so we can equally share the burden and rewards. I’ve been endlessly fair and restrained.

I’ve previously given an ultimatum that I will cancel the wedding if he doesn’t try and save up - but his stubbornness and pride means any difficult conversation is just shut down and never brought back up. Ultimatums and threats are useless if he doesn’t listen.

I am completely lost, frustrated, and scared. He’s not like this about anything other than money. Any ideas how I can resolve this without causing the ‘shut down’ we have no matter how understanding I am in conversation?!

OP posts:
cranstonmanor · 10/03/2019 06:32

Do you even know how big his debt is? Do you see it getting lower each month? How long does he need to pay it off?

I also think you should postpone/cancel the wedding. Also be cautious of borrowing money for things like this, you don't want to end ip like him. As it stands now you couldn't afford to have a child if you would want to. That's a pretty big thing if you commit yourself to him.

Heatherjayne1972 · 10/03/2019 06:34

He’s not going to change op

From my own similar experience I’d say dump him now
There’s better men out there

Spiderbanana · 10/03/2019 06:38

Please cancel the wedding. By marrying him you are potentially making yourself liable for his current and future debts.

He is clearly shit with money so you need to protect yourself

Iggly · 10/03/2019 06:41

You know he has little money yet you’re still going for an expensive(for you both) wedding? That makes no sense.

But I wouldn’t marry him in the first place. Maybe he’s reluctant hence not wanting to chuck every penny at it.

I’ll add, when dh proposed to me, I didn’t have any savings and couldn’t afford the wedding he wanted. So he paid for most of it. I didn’t forgoe social events for it and yes I did have debt etc.

Since marrying, my earnings massively shot up and for some years I’ve earned more than him, although he’s caught up. We’ve financially contributed into one big pot and worked together on budgets etc.

I would suspect though his reluctance to contribute is because he doesn’t want the same as you.

alreadytaken · 10/03/2019 06:44

He is really living beyond his means if he has a large credit card debt and lives from his overdraft. Therefore he should be looking to get rid of that debt before he considers marriage. He needs to either cut spending or get some extra work. Yet when you are away he does financially irresponsible things like buying takeaways. He is a child, and a spoilt child at that.

You will constantly be cast in the "mother" role, telling him what he can and can not do and he will resent that and fight against it. In time he will resent you and you will resent him.

Move out. Try to stay friends but he is not husband material and will never be if you stay with him.

Purplecatshopaholic · 10/03/2019 06:47

Over the course of my marriage my (now ex) husband lost his business, lost our holiday home, and went bankrupt, to name but a few things! I have a good job and paid for pretty much everything. Dont be me - get out now!

Nc1548 · 10/03/2019 07:01

If you don't want to split up fine, but I agree with PP who said you need to step back and let him sort himself out.
You can't change him, save him or make him something he's not.
Not being on the same page financially makes for an impossible relationship.
Do you feel like you have a partner or someone to look after? Is he responsible? Why did you decide to get married now and what was agreed in terms of budget and splitting the cost?
A wedding is nothing compared to what's to come if you stay together and have children so think things through now.

GetStrongKeepFighting · 10/03/2019 07:02

He's not feeling weak and useless about it. He's pissed off you're not taking over from his dad by bank rolling him. You would be an utter fool to stay with this man. Who will pay for the kids and how will you fund maternity leave?

saccade · 10/03/2019 07:14

Why is he in debt?

Do you earn more than him?

If you earn similar amounts - what has his money gone on - why and how has he accumulated debt and you have not? (Eg did he have student loans, or a gambling problem, or were they fripperies)

Would he have been happy with a no frills registry office wedding? Did he express this at the time, or was he happy to plan a big occasion with you?

Do you own or rent? Is his contribution to the mortgage 50/50?

Do you have receipts and a record of your contributions to the house improvements should you split and he wants his deposit back?

Walkmehome · 10/03/2019 07:21

I think it would be best for him to sort his finances and then save together for a wedding. If he can’t/doesn’t then don’t get married.

I think he should be able to have the odd night out but the fact you are having to think about a third job is ridiculous.

chocolateroses · 10/03/2019 07:31

Do you need a big expensive wedding? If you (as a couple, not you personally) can't afford it, sand really love him take the pressure off by cancelling and having a small ceremony.

When I met DH he was in debt. I paid the deposit when we move in together (a large £40K). That was inheritance money. We set up a deed of trust so that if we ever broke up I would get my 'share' back.

He earned more than me (I was a trainee just out of uni). I knew he was in debt and we worked together to get to a point where he was financially stable.

I paid for all our wedding, except the suits. It didn't really bother me, he didn't really want a big wedding, it was for me and my choice.

If you resent him loads because he can't contribute e

cptartapp · 10/03/2019 07:35

Bonkers. And the type of man that won't pay for his DC when the relationship ends and you're left with sole care of them. Why would you choose this path?. Think long term and make life easier for yourself. Walk away.

chocolateroses · 10/03/2019 07:36

Oops posted too soon.

....can't contribute equally, it's not going to work.

My husband is now out of debt and earns more than me and pays for 75% of our total outgoings - mortgage, car etc.

If you have children you will be more reliant on him for £. If there's no end on site for his money woes I would sit down together and try to find a solution. Hold the wedding and babies until he is out of his financial blip.

chocolateroses · 10/03/2019 07:37

(Or just leave him)

Thatnovembernight · 10/03/2019 07:39

Another vote here for cancelling/postponing the wedding. I spent 20 years with a man whose financial incompetence ruined many aspects of my life. I was forced to do jobs I hated to keep our family afloat and turned down opportunities because our position was too precarious while he talked the talk but did what he wanted. I’m not saying your fiancé is the same, but how he is won’t change much. I also used to think if I just explained things right he would suddenly get it. He still doesn’t. We’re not together now. If your fiancé can get his act together and show some commitment to paying off his debt then he might be ok. If he doesn’t roll up his sleeves and get stuck into it then He’s showing you what you can expect for the duration of your relationship. You need to decide if you are financial incompatible. Also when you get married his debts will become yours as well as any future debt.

boomboom1234 · 10/03/2019 07:42

The reality is that a wedding right now is too much of a financial strain on you both.

Can you cancel the wedding for now. Focus on improving your financial situation and your ability to communicate as a couple. I'm
Not saying break up just take the pressure of a wedding you can't afford away.

Be honest with yourself - you just can't afford the wedding you are planning. You should have just gone registry office and a meal and drinks if that's all you can afford and desperately want to be 'married' otherwise just wait till things looks better financially.

WBWIFE · 10/03/2019 07:43

I'd leave him.

My ex was the exact same when we bought our house, constantly having no money and couldn't work out why, he was in fact going out and spending hundreds - probably on drugs, he didn't care about my feelings or the pressure or stress I was under and was happy to see me struggle.

It sounds like your fiance doesn't care about the wedding, as if he did he would work our finances and contribute. He wouldn't be going out partying spending his only remaining money.

What are his debts do you know?

Do you want to have this worry in your life for the rest of your life? he won't change if you marry him btw, if he thinks it's acceptable to do this now then he always will!! What about when you want kids and he will be the main provider? He can't be selfish then with money as you won't have much to be selfish with!

Personally I would move on. He doesn't deserve you and you're trying to fix things and make.excuses for him as you don't want to lose the relationship, forcing the relationship, when it's quite obvious he probably just doesn't really care. He's selfish

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 10/03/2019 07:46

Spot on advice here

flowery · 10/03/2019 07:47

”He’s insistent he has no money, and budget sheets verify this. We earn the same amount, but with his commuting train fare and large debts, he has very little spare income.”

Expecting him to live on very little spare income, service his debts and also save towards a wedding was completely unrealistic. I get what you’re saying about him not doing everything he can while you are, but really, this plan was doomed to fail from the start. Sort out debts, get to a state where there is sufficient spare income available, then save for a wedding. That’s what you should have done.

Banhaha · 10/03/2019 07:57

If you've booked a big wedding are you able to cancel it now and book a registry office? Even if you lost a deposit it might work out cheaper overall.

Would he consider the idea of you managing his money for a bit? You might be able to see where savings can be made more easily and help him get out of debt?

howmanybiscuits · 10/03/2019 08:05

If you've booked a big wedding are you able to cancel it now and book a registry office?

This is terrible advice. The cost to the OP if she married this man would be the marriage and the likely divorce, where he's entitled to half of everything she works for - the costs of the wedding will likely pale in comparison!

Missingstreetlife · 10/03/2019 08:09

Why are you having a wedding you can't afford? Is he really skint, he can't conjure up money he doesn't have, or just mean, or doesn't care about flashy wedding?
First priority should be to clear debt, then you will see how much spare cash he has. Are finances worked out fairly so everyone is happy apart from wedding, does he want to get married?
It seems like contributions from family are not being taken into account. Different attitudes to money can be, but need not be a problem. You have to organise around it so it doesn't become a constant drag

WhoGivesADamnForAFlakeyBandit · 10/03/2019 08:17

Cancel the wedding.
Get your money back.

This man thinks it's perfectly acceptable for you to work 2-3 jobs while he has beer and takeaways.

You are not a priority in his life. He's not that bothered about you, is he? About how you feel and what you want. You've grown up and he hasn't, and he knows that but can't really be arsed to change or actually do anything about it because he's just not that bothered.

Lindy2 · 10/03/2019 08:17

Don't marry him. To be honest I don't see your marriage lasting.
If he is prepared to freeload off you so much now it will only be worse after marriage. He will not be a good husband nor a good father if you have children.
This isn't what you want for the rest of your life.

Shoxfordian · 10/03/2019 08:19

Don't marry him op
He's not contributing to your lives together and its not going to change

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