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Fiancé won’t help pay for the wedding!

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CambridgeKat25 · 10/03/2019 00:56

Hi, I need some advice on how to move forward on a problem I have with my fiancé. We’re getting married in June and everything is booked and sorted. We’ve been together for 6 years, living together for 1 and a half, and he’s always paid his half of the bills no problem. However, it’s been a consistent problem that he’s always in debt (large credit card bill each month, living from his overdraft, etc).

When we moved in, his father paid our deposit and the rest of the moving budget was covered by me alone - including all furniture and decorating, totalling many thousands of £ from my savings that I’d sacrificed much to earn (I was only 24 and not in a particularly high paid job). He saw his contribution as the large sum put in by his father. I’ve tried to let this slide and have succeeded until now, when financial tensions have re-surfaced due to the wedding.

He’s insistent he has no money, and budget sheets verify this. We earn the same amount, but with his commuting train fare and large debts, he has very little spare income. I accept this and I’m glad my income is slightly more balanced so I can contribute more to house repairs to take the pressure off us.

However, what spare income he does have isn’t coming to me to pay his debt to me. I paid for most of the wedding myself, and I’ve borrowed the rest from my dad. I am now solely paying dad’s loan back by myself, as well as having more final payments looming - plus everything I’ve already spent. On his side, he’s contributed £100 total. It’s upsetting me and the pressure is too much. I’m a freelancer and don’t exactly have loads left over myself. I also sell some graphic design bits online for extra cash. If this carries on, I’ll need a 3rd job as I can’t pay for an entire wedding like this. I’m not feeling sorry for myself, but it’s nice to get this off my chest.

We’ve had 3 or 4 very big discussions about this but nothing changes, even though he understands the implications on me. He says he has no cash, then he’ll impulse transfer me £50 to shut me up - making it obvious he’s now on zero until payday, and blaming me. I don’t see any regular or impulse payments after this happens. If I kept quiet after this, I’d never see another penny. He isn’t prepared to set up a regular payment as he ‘never knows what he’ll have left.’

Tonight he went for a beer with his friends. Fine, I think, he still needs a life and a beer is only £5. Now I find out he’s gone to another city and is clubbing. When this happens, upwards of £50 will be spent. This will be his only spare money the entire month. I also found out when I was away last week he bought 2 takeaways and lots of beer in my absence.

I am furious that I am sacrificing almost all my activities to pay for this wedding and he is doing nothing. I appreciate he is poor at the moment but I assumed he’d want to help any way he could. I want him to have a life and have fun but in a restrained way so we can equally share the burden and rewards. I’ve been endlessly fair and restrained.

I’ve previously given an ultimatum that I will cancel the wedding if he doesn’t try and save up - but his stubbornness and pride means any difficult conversation is just shut down and never brought back up. Ultimatums and threats are useless if he doesn’t listen.

I am completely lost, frustrated, and scared. He’s not like this about anything other than money. Any ideas how I can resolve this without causing the ‘shut down’ we have no matter how understanding I am in conversation?!

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IWantMyHatBack · 10/03/2019 01:52

It's a real shame... But the person you marry shouldn't just be someone you love completely. You should be able to trust them with everything. Trust, love, security, money, everything.

You don't trust this man. Don't marry him.

CJsGoldfish · 10/03/2019 01:54

Ultimatums and threats are useless if he doesn’t listen
No, ultimatums and threats are useless if they aren't followed through. Makes you look weak and pathetic tbh because he KNOWS you mean nothing you say.

Take a good hard look OP. THIS will be your life, for the rest of your life if you stick with this man. Not only are you signing yourself up for it but you are choosing THIS life for your children.

Find your self respect. Leave this pathetic man behind.
I may resent him more as time goes on...
No, you WILL resent him, there is no 'may' about it.

FurrySlipperBoots · 10/03/2019 02:00

Where did the debt come from?

Ultimatums won't work if you don't follow them through. You need to go ahead and cancel the wedding as neither of you can afford it.

Sit down with him, tell him you cancelled the wedding and you need him to pull his weight financially or the resentment will build up and your relationship will fail. Look at your options together. Can he look for a new job if commuting is having such an impact? Would his dad pay off the debt, with your fiance paying him back at a lower interest rate? Can he get another part time job, maybe one weekend day? Even if it was only or peanuts it'd be proving his commitment to resolving the issue. Does he have anything of value he could sell?

At the end of the day, if he's not going to change, the marriage is over before it starts. It doesn't sound like you're happy now, and as other posters have said imagine the impact bringing a baby into the equation would have.

Graphista · 10/03/2019 02:04

Cancel the wedding and give serious thought to completely ending the relationship.

HUGE red flags here all over the place!

Why do you love him? What does HE do for YOU? Doesn't have to involve expenditure loads he could do to make your life easier, does he?

Why did you decide to have a wedding when you (plural) clearly can't afford it?

Do you understand that marriage is a legal contract that binds you financially? His debts will legally become yours? Your credit record affected by his?

What caused the debt? (Suspect I know the answer)

DioneTheDiabolist · 10/03/2019 02:09

When I got married, my fiance didn't help pay for the wedding. He wanted to marry me and I him, so we discussed the wedding we wanted, planned it and we saved up and paid for it.

The fact that you're just asking for his help to pay for it, is evidence that he's not on board OP. Save yourself the cost and pain of divorce and move on.

Or stay with your best friend. But don't marry him.Flowers

Palaver1 · 10/03/2019 02:17

Your so so lucky that you have this prewarning .
Deep in your heart you know that it’s a dead end.
Don’t make the mistake of marrying this man.

Ariela · 10/03/2019 02:17

Why are you spending so much on a wedding you cannot afford & when he has debts?

AwakeNow · 10/03/2019 02:22

It sounds like the wedding is beyond his means. He was already in debt and neither of you should not have added to it by agreeing on a wedding he could not afford. Is there anything preventing him getting a second job?

HennyPennyHorror · 10/03/2019 02:23

He cries about his debt when you try to discuss it!??

Imagine how supportive he'd be if you ever fell ill and couldn't work.

HopelesslydevotedtoGu · 10/03/2019 02:31

he does feel very weak and upset about his situation and isn’t immune to the fact I’m struggling with it - he just can’t talk about it

Sharing a life together involves navigating far greater problems than paying for a wedding, for a successful marriage you need to be able to solve problems together and support each other.

How will he respond to saving for a baby, for maternity leaves, if you want to work part time whilst DC are young, if you can't work due to illness or disability, saving for children's uni fees, saving for retirement?

If he can't talk about this, how will he be able to talk about serious problems in the future, more complicated and weighty than a savings account?

Ultimatums and threats are useless if he doesn’t listen

The purpose of an ultimatum is to see if, when push comes to shove, the other person will listen and make changes. His not listening, sadly, is the answer to your ultimatum.

IdaBWells · 10/03/2019 02:34

Nothing about having a day where you exchange vows and have a blowout party will change this man. He will be exactly the same the day after as he is now. No miracle will happen, no stardust.

He is not mature enough to get married. Every thing that worries you and stresses you out about his behaviour will still be there but now legally you will be responsible for 50% his new debts.

A marriage should be reciprocal where he is bringing just as much as you to the table and wants to support and help you in every way. He is not a mature man and doesn't want a mature marriage. You will have all the financial problems on your shoulders and he will rightly point out you knew what he was like when you married him.

Stop pushing this. Step back. Don't get married it will be an enormous mistake.

canadianbanana · 10/03/2019 02:48

He has behaved consistently regarding being irresponsible about money. He won’t change. You have to decide if you can live with this. If not, cancel the wedding. If so, go through with it, knowing this is the way he is.

maras2 · 10/03/2019 03:18

Read your thread again and ask yourself what on earth is 'normal' about this situation.
Also, what do your parents think?
If you were my daughter I'd be either having a word with Mr Tightwad or finding some way to persuade you not to marry him.
I know that you've invested a lot of money in this wedding but try to imagine what the rest of your life will be like.Perhaps research 'Sunken costs fallacy'.

Marchitectmummy · 10/03/2019 03:42

You need to have a proper chat with him calmly without arguing and threats if possible and tell him how you feel. Encourage him to tell you how he feels and see what comes out of that.

Money is so important in a relationship, having different attitudes to it is going to create so many arguments between you going forward. So far the two largest costs have been covered by you and his dad

People saying leave etc sound impulse but the basis is right you really can't go on pulling in different directions over it. Give him one last chance to understand what you want see what he says and go from there.

Oliversmumsarmy · 10/03/2019 03:44

Ultimately you and his father have created a world where he lives.

He has no interest in any of this.

If it had been up to him you wouldn’t be living together unless you had paid for everything and you and him wouldn’t be getting married if he had to stump up half the costs.

Whilst he might be in debt (how did he run up this debt) he doesn’t seem to be making any real effort in trying to reduce the outstanding balance.

If he wants something he gets it. Eg going out for a drink which then turns out to be a big night out clubbing.

If he wanted to get married he would have had those debts cleared and he would be booking cars, cake, and flowers and paying for it all.

There is little you can do but to cancel the wedding because despite you loving him and he probably loves you in a way. It just isn’t enough for a happy marriage and the resentment will kick in sooner or later and you will end up hating him

JeezOhGeeWhizz · 10/03/2019 03:45

Look up the fallacy of sunk costs.
The cancel the wedding and break up with the loser.

TheSquashyHatOfMrGnosspelius · 10/03/2019 03:49

IWantMyHatBack put it the way I was thinking it.
Do not marry this man. Be blissfully in love with him if you want but not shacked to him in law. He will spend all your money as well as his own. Please wake up and listen to MN.

RosieEffect · 10/03/2019 03:52

You will be supporting him financially for the rest of your life if you get married. You will acquire all of his debts and will always be trying to get him to save or contribute. It sounds like a horrible way to live. The only way I could see staying with him is by doing what a pp suggested and having him turn over all finances to you. His pay check goes immediately to an account that only you have access to and you give him a monthly 'fun' budget to spend as he pleases. When it's gone it's gone - no more credit cards for him. If he doesn't agree to this then the problem is not just that he is 'bad with money' it's that he refuses to take responsibility for his finances and will always rely on someone else to bail him out - a partner, his parents, bankruptcy.

It's hard when you love someone, but marrying him when he is like this is a disaster for you and your financial future. It sounds sad to leave someone over money - but there is a difference between leaving over different views on how/where to money, and leaving bc someone is unable/unwilling to manage their finances to the point of leaving you financially vulnerable in life.

EarringsandLipstick · 10/03/2019 04:04

OP please please don't marry him.
I was you - all those signs were there prior to marriage, not as evident in my case as we didn't live together first (what a mistake that was)
I spent all my marriage in a miserable state of trying to manage our finances and deal with his debt as he wilfully ignored reality. There was no underlying issue, like gambling or alcohol, just a complete inability to manage money & a belief he could live exactly as he pleased
I had that scenario many times - many many times - where he would go for '1 pint' which I felt, like you, fair enough, and then would be a long night of drinking & socialising, spending money we needed for groceries or other essentials.
However difficult it is dealing with it now, try to imagine this scenario while you're at home with small children, maybe up at night feeding a baby while he's out doing this. That was me, and I cried & cried so many times; he left me penniless so often.
6 years since we separated, it's still a nightmare. I find it hard to imagine I'll ever have a comfortable existence again, despite having a good job.
Please step back now, and at least think very hard about marrying him. As difficult as that sounds.

Margot33 · 10/03/2019 04:06

You will be far braver and honest if you canceled the wedding. If you marry him, you cannot expect him to change. He will be exactly the same as he is now. What happens when you have a child and your finances reduce dramatically? How are you going to cope with the odd £50 given to you in temper?! Please cancel the wedding. You deserve better than him. Remember you can't meet the right person until you leave him.

Seniorschoolmum · 10/03/2019 04:17

The other view is that he is in debt, he does not want to be more in debt and he is sticking to that. Quite sensible really.
It is possible to be married for very little. Tuesday afternoon at a registry office in normal clothes and back to work next day.

But you now know, if you want the big party and the glam honeymoon, in future, the new house and new car, he is not the man for you.

Birdie6 · 10/03/2019 04:21

Think very hard about this. He will NEVER change - absolutely never. You'll be propping him up all your life. You'll be trying to find money to buy groceries and to feed your children, and he'll be out clubbing because you let him.

I was married to one like him. I remember carrying returnable soft drink bottles to the shop in my son's pram, so I'd have a few pounds to buy milk and bread - while DH spent up big at the pub . Men like this never change. He's my ex now, spent all his settlement money and now lives in someone's granny flat because he's bankrupt.

Run, don't walk, away from this while you can.

HeronLanyon · 10/03/2019 04:26

Op - wanted to say well
Done for your own ability to budget and save etc you sound really sorted and in difficult circumstances.
I agree with Many pps that a June wedding to this man doesn’t sound right at all - I do think you may know this deep down.
Really good luck - this is big ‘rest of life’ type stuff and we do only get one.

eyeczawikaivov · 10/03/2019 04:32

Do not marry him.

Just that.

You are a strong, powerful and wonderful person with your whole life ahead of you and huge potential.

This man is a poor choice of life partner. He won't change and he will drag you down. Obviously he has his good points but suitable life-partner material just ain't one of them. It will hurt to extract yourself but it has to be done and it must be done now because any delay will make it so much worse. There is no happy ending with him. Without him, you will be able to rebuild and life will be good again after the pain subsides.

frenchonion · 10/03/2019 04:45

Another vote for cancel the wedding. Seriously. Your future self will thank you.