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Fiancé won’t help pay for the wedding!

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CambridgeKat25 · 10/03/2019 00:56

Hi, I need some advice on how to move forward on a problem I have with my fiancé. We’re getting married in June and everything is booked and sorted. We’ve been together for 6 years, living together for 1 and a half, and he’s always paid his half of the bills no problem. However, it’s been a consistent problem that he’s always in debt (large credit card bill each month, living from his overdraft, etc).

When we moved in, his father paid our deposit and the rest of the moving budget was covered by me alone - including all furniture and decorating, totalling many thousands of £ from my savings that I’d sacrificed much to earn (I was only 24 and not in a particularly high paid job). He saw his contribution as the large sum put in by his father. I’ve tried to let this slide and have succeeded until now, when financial tensions have re-surfaced due to the wedding.

He’s insistent he has no money, and budget sheets verify this. We earn the same amount, but with his commuting train fare and large debts, he has very little spare income. I accept this and I’m glad my income is slightly more balanced so I can contribute more to house repairs to take the pressure off us.

However, what spare income he does have isn’t coming to me to pay his debt to me. I paid for most of the wedding myself, and I’ve borrowed the rest from my dad. I am now solely paying dad’s loan back by myself, as well as having more final payments looming - plus everything I’ve already spent. On his side, he’s contributed £100 total. It’s upsetting me and the pressure is too much. I’m a freelancer and don’t exactly have loads left over myself. I also sell some graphic design bits online for extra cash. If this carries on, I’ll need a 3rd job as I can’t pay for an entire wedding like this. I’m not feeling sorry for myself, but it’s nice to get this off my chest.

We’ve had 3 or 4 very big discussions about this but nothing changes, even though he understands the implications on me. He says he has no cash, then he’ll impulse transfer me £50 to shut me up - making it obvious he’s now on zero until payday, and blaming me. I don’t see any regular or impulse payments after this happens. If I kept quiet after this, I’d never see another penny. He isn’t prepared to set up a regular payment as he ‘never knows what he’ll have left.’

Tonight he went for a beer with his friends. Fine, I think, he still needs a life and a beer is only £5. Now I find out he’s gone to another city and is clubbing. When this happens, upwards of £50 will be spent. This will be his only spare money the entire month. I also found out when I was away last week he bought 2 takeaways and lots of beer in my absence.

I am furious that I am sacrificing almost all my activities to pay for this wedding and he is doing nothing. I appreciate he is poor at the moment but I assumed he’d want to help any way he could. I want him to have a life and have fun but in a restrained way so we can equally share the burden and rewards. I’ve been endlessly fair and restrained.

I’ve previously given an ultimatum that I will cancel the wedding if he doesn’t try and save up - but his stubbornness and pride means any difficult conversation is just shut down and never brought back up. Ultimatums and threats are useless if he doesn’t listen.

I am completely lost, frustrated, and scared. He’s not like this about anything other than money. Any ideas how I can resolve this without causing the ‘shut down’ we have no matter how understanding I am in conversation?!

OP posts:
SummerHouse · 10/03/2019 08:38

Cancel wedding.
Don't cancel your relationship with him. Yet.
See if you can come back from that on equal ground.

SheWoreBlueVelvet · 10/03/2019 08:38

Well you’ve said most of his wage is already accounted for so it’s unreasonable to think he’s going to be able to afford a wedding. He needs a second job. If he doesn’t get one he can’t afford to get married.

Long term ( and I agree don’t marry him yet) either he hands his wages to you to sort out or you live apart and run separate houses if he has no interest in clearing the debt. He might be happy living with it - just make sure you are only paying for the bits you are happy with.

CherryPavlova · 10/03/2019 08:40

Don’t go ahead. A man needs to in a position to support his family - even with a working wife. Maternity pay doesn’t go very far and childcare costs take out much of the womens earnings in reality.

Don’t even consider marrying him or supporting him until he is debt free. He doesn’t want a wife he wants to continuously milk a cash cow.

Be brave enough to step away.

VictoriaBun · 10/03/2019 08:42

Does he spend any of ' his money ' on drugs by any chance ?

RoseMartha · 10/03/2019 08:43

I feel this will only get worse. Think carefully about this upcoming marriage. If it is like this now, how will it be two, five, ten years down the line?

MrsCollinssettled · 10/03/2019 08:44

DO NOT MARRY HIM!

I made that mistake. Outwardly charming, caring and generous but behind the scenes quite happy to see me pay for everything - all the dull stuff like mortgage, bills, childcare - and have nothing left for myself.

Every time I raised it there was always promises of contributing but there was always some kind of emergency that meant he couldn't pay his way.

Eventually it ground me down so much I stopped excusing him and bailing him out. His reaction? He walked out saying I was no fun anymore and he needed to be happy.

He's moved on to another mug. I missed out on a life that could have been so much more enjoyable if he'd had any respect for me and our relationship.

Please don't be me.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/03/2019 08:45

Do not show him this thread either.

He already is and will certainly bleed you dry financially here. He just wants you around to prop him up and otherwise enable him and that is really what you are doing now.

You have also achieved near enough consensus on this thread, rarely are threads that decisive in terms of overall opinion. I hope you take heed. And do not show him this thread either.

CardiganB · 10/03/2019 08:45

what does his future career progression look like? Is he spending a fortune on commuting because there are no more local options - or because he works in a badly paid but cool London-based industry that he doesn't want to leave? Sorry for making a huge leap, but your OP reminded me of a lot of conversations I had with female friends who ended up underwriting the woeful careers of journalists/actors/chefs until they gave up, exhausted and skint, at about 30.

Surfskatefamily · 10/03/2019 08:46

My husband is financially useless...always has been (so are his entire family!) However he has many other great qualities. We had a discussion a while back about budgeting. He transfers all the money into a joint account and i send back his weekly 'spending' amount, i pay outgoings from it.
The amount is what he agreed he needs and he is very happy for me to do the finances this way as everything gets paid.

Do you think you could look at this way with your fiance??

My oh contributed very little to our wedding but as he had little it was fine, we just did it on the cheap.

Can i suggest postponing to work on your finances?

JoyceDivision · 10/03/2019 08:46

Step away, honestly, my friend had v similar circumstance... Now she is renting as he won't move out of the house while they sell it after they split, he won't drop the price, delay tactics to avoid viewings, they kept having to remortgage as they were skint and he was useless so in massive negative equity, he doesn't care there is a mortgage debt to be paid, he gets interest paid as "sick".... Friend is shutting herself re few years down line when mortgage ends... It won't be repaid by nearly the full amount, all because he wouldn't pay up for anything.

Whisky2014 · 10/03/2019 08:47

I also wouldnt not marry him.

You're talking about getting a 3rd job, what is he doing? Going out clubbing, drinking beer and getting takeaways.

Don't bloody do it!
Although, i don't know why you'd book a large wedding if you know you can't afford it..

lifebegins50 · 10/03/2019 08:47

You want to find ways to change him but
people don't change, he is who he is.

Don't marry him as you will be here in 5 years asking how to protect your money as you are divorcing.

It is foolish to marry when you have a conflict over such a major issue. I suspect however you are driven to marry him as you see it as the next steps after buying a house.

Coronapop · 10/03/2019 08:48

Why isn't he trying to earn more by getting a better paid job or one with a cheaper commute? Right now there is no solution because he has no motivation or need to change and it sounds as though you have done all you can to try and make him change. Your choice is to put up with it (which will be disastrous for you if you have children) or to end it.

Podemos · 10/03/2019 08:48

Did he agree to the wedding budget? Does he want the big fancy expensive wedding that you've organised. Did you sit down together first to discuss the kind of wedding you'd be able to afford and how it would be paid for?

winsinbin · 10/03/2019 08:49

I used to be a couples therapist (one known as a marriage guidance counsellor). Disagreements about managing money are one of the most common causes of conflict and unhappiness in relationships, even more than difficulties arojnd raising children or infidelity. If you are not compatible in this area you are setting yourself up for a lifetime of unhappiness.

At the very least I think you should delay the wedding until he clears his debt so you can start married life on an even footing. And certainly consider some sort of couples counselling to see if the two of you can reach a mutually acceptable compromise on financial arrangements. It needn’t be expensive. Relate and Marriage Care are two national charities that offer affordable, professional services and there are probably other local agencies too.

Purplecatshopaholic · 10/03/2019 08:52

I am in serious debt as a result of my now ex being a complete twat with money. I bailed him out so many times - more the fool me, I get that. If you want to stay with him, fine, just keep your finances separate and DONT marry him!

Hadalifeonce · 10/03/2019 08:52

This situation will never change, all the time he knows you will stump up the money. Your life will be exactly the same in 5 / 10 years time. Think long and hard about your future.

JaneEyre07 · 10/03/2019 08:52

In the kindest way, OP, you need to take off your rose tinted specs and see this guy for what he is. He's taking the absolute piss.

And you're letting him.

More fool you, sorry.

liamhemsworthsrealwife · 10/03/2019 08:53

Cancel the wedding. Separate your finances, figure out how to get what's yours and leave. Unless you want to be poor forever, you are wasting your time with this man.

Drogosnextwife · 10/03/2019 08:55

OP when I got together with my partner he managed to hide bad credit and a gambling problem from me for a long time. We eventually had a child and that's when I started to find out about his problems. We are engaged but I refuse to marry him now. We have been through some awful times and are only still together because I have control of all the finances, including his wages (which he agreed to) and everything is solely in my name, House, car etc. If we split up, I can pay for all that stuff myself. My advice... don't marry a man who is useless with money, it makes life very stressful.

Chocolaterainbows · 10/03/2019 08:56

Do not marry him.
Stop making excuses for him.
This man will never change.

BorsetshireBlew · 10/03/2019 08:56

OMG do not marry him! You'd be insane to go ahead with it

TheClitterati · 10/03/2019 08:57

Marry him
If you want - it's your choice after all. But the rest of you life with involve these very same financial issues.

Add children/maternity leave into the mix. Is this the life you want?

MintyCedric · 10/03/2019 08:59

Cancel the wedding - you can't afford it on your own and it absolutely shouldn't be your sole responsibility. Neither of you need the financial pressure regardless of any other issues and it sounds like you're still really young (about 26?).

He needs to admit that he has a debt problem, be honest with you and seek debt counselling/management. Put a budget in place and be willing to be open with you on an ongoing basis about his spending.

If he can do this, then you can revisit getting married in a couple of years. If not, or he's unwilling to make these changes in the first place then you need to end the relationship.

I am saying all this as someone who has had recurring debt problems myself.

Also, as someone who took a very long time to leave an unhappy marriage because I kept making excuses for my XH...

...it doesn't matter what reasons/justifications there are (or that you create) for his behaviour, the bottom line is it's impact on you and whether you can realistically live with the consequences. If he won't admit his issues and seek help, that is not your problem.

Frazzled2207 · 10/03/2019 09:04

Please don't marry him. You are standing on your own two feet financially at the moment yet if married he could bleed you dry.

If you and children that makes it a completely different ball game- the ongoing costs of them are extortionate.

He's putting his nights out ahead of clearing his debt and the wedding- is that really what you want?

I also think that for a long term relationship to work, being on the same page financially (which you clearly are not) is one of the most important things.

Why don't you speak to a friend or your df about the situation and see what they think? I totally get that cancelling a wedding is a BIG deal but you may find them really supportive.