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Fiancé won’t help pay for the wedding!

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CambridgeKat25 · 10/03/2019 00:56

Hi, I need some advice on how to move forward on a problem I have with my fiancé. We’re getting married in June and everything is booked and sorted. We’ve been together for 6 years, living together for 1 and a half, and he’s always paid his half of the bills no problem. However, it’s been a consistent problem that he’s always in debt (large credit card bill each month, living from his overdraft, etc).

When we moved in, his father paid our deposit and the rest of the moving budget was covered by me alone - including all furniture and decorating, totalling many thousands of £ from my savings that I’d sacrificed much to earn (I was only 24 and not in a particularly high paid job). He saw his contribution as the large sum put in by his father. I’ve tried to let this slide and have succeeded until now, when financial tensions have re-surfaced due to the wedding.

He’s insistent he has no money, and budget sheets verify this. We earn the same amount, but with his commuting train fare and large debts, he has very little spare income. I accept this and I’m glad my income is slightly more balanced so I can contribute more to house repairs to take the pressure off us.

However, what spare income he does have isn’t coming to me to pay his debt to me. I paid for most of the wedding myself, and I’ve borrowed the rest from my dad. I am now solely paying dad’s loan back by myself, as well as having more final payments looming - plus everything I’ve already spent. On his side, he’s contributed £100 total. It’s upsetting me and the pressure is too much. I’m a freelancer and don’t exactly have loads left over myself. I also sell some graphic design bits online for extra cash. If this carries on, I’ll need a 3rd job as I can’t pay for an entire wedding like this. I’m not feeling sorry for myself, but it’s nice to get this off my chest.

We’ve had 3 or 4 very big discussions about this but nothing changes, even though he understands the implications on me. He says he has no cash, then he’ll impulse transfer me £50 to shut me up - making it obvious he’s now on zero until payday, and blaming me. I don’t see any regular or impulse payments after this happens. If I kept quiet after this, I’d never see another penny. He isn’t prepared to set up a regular payment as he ‘never knows what he’ll have left.’

Tonight he went for a beer with his friends. Fine, I think, he still needs a life and a beer is only £5. Now I find out he’s gone to another city and is clubbing. When this happens, upwards of £50 will be spent. This will be his only spare money the entire month. I also found out when I was away last week he bought 2 takeaways and lots of beer in my absence.

I am furious that I am sacrificing almost all my activities to pay for this wedding and he is doing nothing. I appreciate he is poor at the moment but I assumed he’d want to help any way he could. I want him to have a life and have fun but in a restrained way so we can equally share the burden and rewards. I’ve been endlessly fair and restrained.

I’ve previously given an ultimatum that I will cancel the wedding if he doesn’t try and save up - but his stubbornness and pride means any difficult conversation is just shut down and never brought back up. Ultimatums and threats are useless if he doesn’t listen.

I am completely lost, frustrated, and scared. He’s not like this about anything other than money. Any ideas how I can resolve this without causing the ‘shut down’ we have no matter how understanding I am in conversation?!

OP posts:
BeUpStanding · 11/03/2019 21:07

Holy crap... Why on earth would you marry this man?! Shock

jelliebelly · 11/03/2019 21:15

Postpone the wedding until finances are sorted otherwise you'll be working to pay off his debt forever

chilledteacher · 11/03/2019 21:19

Cancel and move on. You've got yourself a cocklodger at the moment and you deserve better

EarringsandLipstick · 11/03/2019 21:25

@C0untDucku1a at 14.07 has it, sadly. (I'm still catching up with the thread updates today)

It breaks my heart reading it but Count is right, and so many of us have been there.

He'll promise the world to get you off his back. Anything at all that works in the moment. He won't change.

(Mind you, I probably wouldn't have listened to a word either. I was convinced I could fix him. I couldn't. And he did renege on family life but in a way that destroyed us all (me plus kids). Wouldn't be without my kids of course but I wish I'd made other choices when I was at your stage op

helacells · 11/03/2019 21:26

Nope. Never ever ever go into debt for a wedding. Never go into debt to help someone else. Listen to Dave Ramsey podcasts and he'll open your eyes as you have obviously been blinded by your fiancée

Snog · 11/03/2019 22:07

I think you need to know his financial status before making any decisions
Exactly what debts does he have?
What are his monthly financial commitments?

Fishwifecalling · 11/03/2019 23:48

He can promise and set up direct debits for any amount he wants to. If he can actually afford to pay those without getting into further debt, is a different matter.
How can he pay you £100 per month if he has no spare money per month?
The expression borrowing from Peter to pay Paul, springs to mind.

TheInvestigator · 12/03/2019 00:03

It's not a direct debit!!!

It's called a standing order.

A direct debit can only be set up by a company if you've given them your details and agreed to a direct debit.. like your phone bill or gum membership. They process and take the payment from your account.

A standing order is a regular payment which you set up to come out of your account in order to pay a person, like private tutors etc.

A direct debit can be cancelled, but you would then face whatever penalty is outline in the terms and conditions with the company you were paying.

A standing order can be cancelled anytime with no charges or penalties (excluding legal action from a tutor or whatever) because the payment is under your control. So he can cancel it anytime he likes and there is nothing you can do to enforce the payment.

SnapesGreasyHair · 12/03/2019 05:20

@C0untDucku1a - you described my friends ex perfectly. That is EXACTLY what she has delt with. They divorced 8 years ago and she still has bailiffs turning up and frightening her children

Whereareyouspot · 12/03/2019 06:50

He asked YOUto book the appointment to sort out HIS debt?

You are having a child not getting married

OP people aren’t being harsh they are showing you reality and no matter how much you love him, pushing ahead with this wedding is madness

Delay it two years and in that time see if he can change

That £1000 overdraft will not be his whole debt.
And any man that refuses to talk, puts the Tv on and avoids a difficult conversation with anger is going to be like that over every single hurdle you encounter in married life
Unless he grows up.

Time is what you have. Sod the deposits- consider them an investment in your future.

A dream wedding is not a dream when it had this all bubbling behind it. He will resent you for the debt and you will resent him for his inability to be financially secure.

This is not how a successful marriage starts.

Whereareyouspot · 12/03/2019 06:52

I have had five close friends divorce and four of them cited financial problems as the cause- not being on the same page.

DH and I have always always held the same ideals about saving and debts etc and trust me in any long marriage it gets tested over and over again when kids come along, the roof blows off, one loses their job, elderly parents need care paying for- the list goes on.

Financial disagreements are the root of many an unhappy marriage

UnspiritualHome · 12/03/2019 06:53

Because as his wife and legal partner you will be liable for his debts

No, she won't. I do wish people on MN would stop spreading these myths.

HotChocolateLover · 12/03/2019 06:58

I’m with the people saying to cancel the wedding, sorry Flowers This will grind you down over the years and before you know it you will have wasted the best years of your life with him. My first husband was like this financially whereas my husband and I now have very sensible conversations about money and know where we are with it all.

MrsBertBibby · 12/03/2019 07:11

Because as his wife and legal partner you will be liable for his debts

Well it's kind of right, because when the wheels come off the divorce court is pretty like to want his debts cleared out of the house proceeds before sharing what's left.

Robin2323 · 12/03/2019 07:50

When my dh's wife left him he was left with all the debt she had secretly got her self into.
But they were made behind his back while she lived there.
Not sure if it's the same.
But that's not us true.

Oliversmumsarmy · 12/03/2019 07:53

*Because as his wife and legal partner you will be liable for his debts

No, she won't. I do wish people on MN would stop spreading these myth*

Well they will count against her if op wants to get a loan, credit card, new phone contract, mortgage, rent anywhere now as a couple etc

Probably counting against her now.

I can probably make a prediction of how ops life will turn out.

Not because I am Mystic Meg but because ops situation for anyone who is my age has seen it play out time and time again with people they know.

Op will marry her Dp.
To help Dp she will take over his salary and the responsibility of paying the debts off each month. Giving her dh an allowance each month.
Op will work 3 jobs to dps 1 job. She will scrimp and save and make huge headway in paying everything off.
They will live quite frugally and in 3/57 years time or just as op is seeing a time when they will be debt free and able to actually save for a mortgage, children etc her Dp will go out and meet someone else because op is no fun.

Being debt free he will leave and start again with someone who he will save for their wedding and do everything for.

In the meantime op you will be 5 years older and knocked for six because you didn’t see it coming and be utterly exhausted. You will also be broke financially because any money you have saved will be split 50/50.

You will be lucky if you are able to rent somewhere.

This will not end well. It never does.

By all means work 3 jobs but don’t marry and put your earnings in a savings account.

Look after yourself op.

People are saying that “he is just not that into you”

I agree because if he really loved you and wanted to marry you. That debt would have been paid off by now and he would have contributed his half to the wedding.

He has had 6 years to pay off his debts and save for this wedding. If he wanted to he would have been the one to take on 3 jobs because he would think he was going to lose you and wanted to make sure you had a great future together.

You are doing all of this because it is you who is wanting this with him and he can’t be bothered because you will swoop in and save him. Atm nothing is coming from him.

OrchidInTheSun · 12/03/2019 08:05

She'll probs oh also find that he takes the lions's share of equity in the house because his dad paid the deposit while she paid for decorating and furnishing, money she'll never get back.

I'm beginning to feel like she's being played

BlackCatSleeping · 12/03/2019 08:23

There are two kinds of people in the world radiators and sinks. I think we know who is who here.

Bluntness100 · 12/03/2019 08:39

I'm beginning to feel like she's being played

I also think there is something wrong here. To be in this level of debt when he is 27 from things he did as an eighteen year old does not ring true. How much debt can an 18 year old get into, not generally enough that it is still so heavy at 27.

In addition taking 100 quid a month off him is ludicrous, she's just building more debt, he doesn't have the hundred quid a month.

The op also demonstrates a lack of understanding of financial matters. To say he has 150 in savings is silly, as he is thousands in debt. He has no savings. Clearly, as he owes everything he has.

That's why she needs to sit down with him before she marries him, and understand the scale of this. She says it's "not her business" it very much is if she's going to marry him. She needs to know what she's getting into,

She needs to understand every bit of this debt, when it was accrued, how he's been paying it, how much, and where he spends his money. He's in a bad way financially, very bad, and he cannot expect her to marry him under these conditions and not let her know exactly what the deal is.

If he refuses to do so. Then she needs to call,off the wedding.

Whichever way you cut it, I think this man is hiding stuff from her. There is no way a 27 year old man is so heavily in debt now for stuff he did at 18 only.

Strawberry2017 · 12/03/2019 08:41

I think you both need financial advice and guidance.
Neither one of you is making smart decisions.

PiebaldHamster · 12/03/2019 08:44

There's no way she'll back out. She's marrying to save face. He's marrying to keep the gravy train running. There's none so blind as those who won't see. I've heard of paying to marry someone, but only in the context of shams for visas. This takes the biscuit.

SnapesGreasyHair · 12/03/2019 10:03

This is exactly what l was referring to in my post earlier. Not technically liable for half but end up paying it anyway.

MrsBertBibby - Because as his wife and legal partner you will be liable for his debts. Well it's kind of right, because when the wheels come off the divorce court is pretty like to want his debts cleared out of the house proceeds before sharing what's left.

frazzledasarock · 12/03/2019 11:01

She will be liable for debts in that assets will be split after taking debts into account. His debts.
Which she currently paying off anyway.

And I don’t think thi man is the kind who’d relinquish control of his money to the OP & accept a monthly spends from her whilsthis debts are sorted out. He enjoys spending too much safe in the knowledge op and his dad will bale him out when it’s needed.

DP has a friend who was deep in debt, he told his girlfriend about from the beginning of the relationship and told her he wasn’t going to be in a position to get married till he has paid off the debt, he had a realistic time frame for it and a debt plan in place which he was working thro. That’s a person seriosuabout being debt free.

Not a bloke who’s going drinking and clubbing and planning lavish weddings he’s not paid for.

Cath2907 · 12/03/2019 11:20

When someone shows you who they are - do yourself a favor and believe them!

This man is bad with money and unwilling to address the issues that causes. Unless you are willing to live like this for the rest of your life you need to cancel the wedding. If this acts as a wake up call and he gets some help with his finances and proves he has changed then you can always get married at a later date. Otherwise you are tying your finances to a millstone and he will sink you both.

SevenStones · 12/03/2019 11:26

Just read your update OP.

Standing orders can easily be cancelled. I'd be looking to have that money paid in for two years before I would consider marriage. It's hard to knock you, OP, I've taken the easiest way out on numerous occasions in the past. I've always ended up paying for those poor decisions somewhere down the line.

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