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Fiancé won’t help pay for the wedding!

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CambridgeKat25 · 10/03/2019 00:56

Hi, I need some advice on how to move forward on a problem I have with my fiancé. We’re getting married in June and everything is booked and sorted. We’ve been together for 6 years, living together for 1 and a half, and he’s always paid his half of the bills no problem. However, it’s been a consistent problem that he’s always in debt (large credit card bill each month, living from his overdraft, etc).

When we moved in, his father paid our deposit and the rest of the moving budget was covered by me alone - including all furniture and decorating, totalling many thousands of £ from my savings that I’d sacrificed much to earn (I was only 24 and not in a particularly high paid job). He saw his contribution as the large sum put in by his father. I’ve tried to let this slide and have succeeded until now, when financial tensions have re-surfaced due to the wedding.

He’s insistent he has no money, and budget sheets verify this. We earn the same amount, but with his commuting train fare and large debts, he has very little spare income. I accept this and I’m glad my income is slightly more balanced so I can contribute more to house repairs to take the pressure off us.

However, what spare income he does have isn’t coming to me to pay his debt to me. I paid for most of the wedding myself, and I’ve borrowed the rest from my dad. I am now solely paying dad’s loan back by myself, as well as having more final payments looming - plus everything I’ve already spent. On his side, he’s contributed £100 total. It’s upsetting me and the pressure is too much. I’m a freelancer and don’t exactly have loads left over myself. I also sell some graphic design bits online for extra cash. If this carries on, I’ll need a 3rd job as I can’t pay for an entire wedding like this. I’m not feeling sorry for myself, but it’s nice to get this off my chest.

We’ve had 3 or 4 very big discussions about this but nothing changes, even though he understands the implications on me. He says he has no cash, then he’ll impulse transfer me £50 to shut me up - making it obvious he’s now on zero until payday, and blaming me. I don’t see any regular or impulse payments after this happens. If I kept quiet after this, I’d never see another penny. He isn’t prepared to set up a regular payment as he ‘never knows what he’ll have left.’

Tonight he went for a beer with his friends. Fine, I think, he still needs a life and a beer is only £5. Now I find out he’s gone to another city and is clubbing. When this happens, upwards of £50 will be spent. This will be his only spare money the entire month. I also found out when I was away last week he bought 2 takeaways and lots of beer in my absence.

I am furious that I am sacrificing almost all my activities to pay for this wedding and he is doing nothing. I appreciate he is poor at the moment but I assumed he’d want to help any way he could. I want him to have a life and have fun but in a restrained way so we can equally share the burden and rewards. I’ve been endlessly fair and restrained.

I’ve previously given an ultimatum that I will cancel the wedding if he doesn’t try and save up - but his stubbornness and pride means any difficult conversation is just shut down and never brought back up. Ultimatums and threats are useless if he doesn’t listen.

I am completely lost, frustrated, and scared. He’s not like this about anything other than money. Any ideas how I can resolve this without causing the ‘shut down’ we have no matter how understanding I am in conversation?!

OP posts:
SparklySneakers · 11/03/2019 13:43

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pissedonatrain · 11/03/2019 13:56

He's 27 years old and still blaming his debt and bad finances on things that happened as a teen?

The truth is he is shit with money. He could have paid his debts off in that time but he chose not to.

CardiganB · 11/03/2019 13:57

It's fantastic that you've started a conversation about his money issues, but I think you're hearing, Cancel the wedding because he hasn't paid for it, when the majority of posters are saying, Cancel the wedding because you will end up paying for the rest of your life.

gamerchick · 11/03/2019 14:01

He's asked me to book it ASAP.

Well we tried. Good luck OP.

sleepyhead · 11/03/2019 14:02

Oh good god op! I doubt I'm saying anything that won't have been said many times already on this thread, but do you want children?

If so, this is a HUGE RED FLAG!!!

Please, please don't get married when your attitude to money is so different. I know you'll be forfeiting deposits etc, but honestly it will seem like peanuts a few years down the line when you're bled dry.

Anique105 · 11/03/2019 14:02

Take responsibility for the situation you're in. You can complain about him all you want but you are well aware for years about his debt and issues. And you are choosing your situation regardless.

Hopefully you will wake up but I highly doubt it

Graphista · 11/03/2019 14:06

"Why is it acceptable for a woman to earn fa in a relationship but not a man?" Not one single person has said that not ONE!

Oh op it's so very clear that he's only set up that standing order and agreed to the financial counselling under duress, he won't stick to it!

As for "can't cancel the wedding now" yes you can! It'll be a damn sight cheaper than divorcing this guy!!!

I can only hope the financial counsellor has enough sense to point out to YOU that YOU will be legally financially binding yourself to this man and his fiscal disasters by marrying him.

Fully expect in a few months you'll be realising the full extent of your mistake.

C0untDucku1a · 11/03/2019 14:07

Ill tell you what will happen next.

In a couple of months, maybe three, the DIrect debit wont get paid. Youll question it. He will say he doesn't know why that happened and will look into it. He wont. Youll have to get forceful with him again before he finally makes the payment manually. He will blame bank error. It will be because he has cancelled the direct debit. This will go on, and on, and on.

He might have been to the finance counsellor (?) in that time with you, to show willing. You think he is trying. What is will actually be doing is just enough to get you off his back for another week.

On maternity leave you will have saved up money so youre not poor. He wont have saved a penny. He will still expect you to pay half of all the bills to cover it.

Youll get letters from debt collection agencies. He will deny oweing them anything. He will then agree, when you have been forceful, to call them and sort it. He will say it is sorted and was an error. The letters will still come.

A bailiff might arrive one morning. It still wont be his fault though.

One day he might just walk out. Family life and responsibilities with consequences not being what he wants afterall. What he wants is looking after. You might get child maintenance for a month, maybe even three. Then it will stop. He wont know why. Bank error. But you will have to be forceful, and hopeful - but not for long, everytime you need money from him towards the child.

So, to get to the point, do not believe a word he says. Talk is cheap, after-all. Dont be blinded by promises. You must look at his actions. He wants to get out of debt? Then he doesnt go out clubbing or waste money on takeaways.

You said one last chance to prove himself. How are you going to judge that he is doing this seriously? What evidence are you going to use?

Tractortod · 11/03/2019 14:07

OP, Open your eyes.

Do. 👏 Not. 👏 Marry. 👏 This. 👏 Man. 👏

Next thread : I'm heartbroken, just had my first baby and DH promised to step up so I could take maternity leave but he never has any money and I spent mine on our house and wedding. Now I have to return to work and baby is only 8 weeks. Don't know how I'll afford nursery fees...

Hotterthanahotthing · 11/03/2019 14:10

You need to do a credit check on him to see if there are other hidden debts.You will need this if you are going to get financial advice.
I do wonder if he will change though.Most of us realise trying to change any suitable boyfriend doesn't work much earlier with without the life-changing disaster you're heading for.
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Whisky2014 · 11/03/2019 14:10

Oh god this is still bad. What's worse us you will then be married and have to deal with it he will take 50% of anythung which most likely you paid for and he didnt.

We can all see the writing on the wall except yourself, op. Put some glasses on.

PaleRider1 · 11/03/2019 14:10

So, you’re going to go ahead and get married even though you have said you can’t stay with him if he doesn’t sort himself out?

So, who will pay for the divorce?
Did you not discuss finances BEFORE you started booking everything and who was paying for what?

You’re just burying your head in the sand. It’s like a car crash waiting to happen.

Oh, and it’s not too late to postpone the wedding either.

gassylady · 11/03/2019 14:11

Arghh so. Ow you’re responsible for arranging the financial counselling too! He is still not taking responsibility for anything

CambridgeKat25 · 11/03/2019 14:13

Mumsnet posters gave me the confidence and strength I needed to finally issue a strong ultimatum that stuck. Your advice worked. I'm not signing myself up to a lifetime of debt as I'm going to walk away unless he shows me that he wants to sort it out and if I believe it. Last night was a breakthrough we've never previously reached.

If he goes back on it, more fool me.

I've suffered from depression in the past and I ignored his ultimatums to get counselling. I made his life a misery for a good year or more and he stuck with it, despite it not looking promising to ever get better. Thank goodness he didn't give up on me when it was the other way around!

Anyway, basically I'm not sold that he'll stick at it but I'm willing to let him try. I don't think that makes me a mug.

OP posts:
SparklySneakers · 11/03/2019 14:15

Ah. Guilt. He's got you right where he wants you.

BlackPrism · 11/03/2019 14:16

Every month I am paid and I end up on -£700. I'm a year out of uni and earn £1,100 a month. I still manage to put £200 away each month and by July can pay off my overdraft (£2,000) it is doable he just doesn't want to sacrifice and do it.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 11/03/2019 14:16

He's asked me to book it ASAP.

Hang on; it's his mess to sort out. Why isn't HE booking it?

You're not his Mum.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 11/03/2019 14:22

Cat. Firstly Well done on making him face up to the situation. And getting him to agree to the financial councillor. That should be a real wake up call for him, these people can often find ways of making debt clearance more manageable and less punitive. However, the following concerned me.
"""he wishes we'd have planned a smaller wedding. Too late as everything is paid for now - not just deposits. If I'd known he was so broke, we would have planned a more modest wedding. He was the one who chose this style wedding, not me. He's been very involved in all other areas."""
What he has done is decide he wants a particular kind of wedding, and chosen an early date for it, when each time you have queried this and said its not feasilble.... and he has NOT listened to you.
Its not just not listening either. He has hidden the extent of his financial mishaps from you.
That is a major problem. He decides what he wants in wedding terms, without any idea how to pay for it, insists on getting his way despite your objections and at the same time you are not allowed any real details of the extent of the problem until now.
The other thing is that you were forced to be controlling etc just to get him to man up and have a discussion and that you didn't want to be in that position and it upset you. HE PUT YOU IN THAT POSITION BY REFUSING TO DISCUSS things. Sorry to be blunt. He is making you the bad person.
Are you both paying the mortgage or is it just you?
If you get a mortgage together it seems reasonable that you have a veyr good idea of the other person's finances.. but his have been kept from you and when you try to talk to him he cries, he shouts and generally I am sorry there is no other word, bullies you into shutting up and letting him continue to ignore this mess.
Most of his salary goes out as soon as it comes in - is this debt repayment? or some other expenditure?
Signing a direct debit to you is just taking on another debt. It also sounds like you will be paying for his batchelor party on top of everything else.

I really do feel for you, because you do like each other but this is a big enough problem to sort out without all the wedding stuff on top.

YOu say that everything for the wedding is paid for. Another poster suggested checking which contracts can be cancelled and how much of a refund you would get if you postponed. At least you would be clearer in your options if you did that. Do you have wedding insurance? Please don't let the cost of the wedding affect your life choice. Its three months away, which a very short time scale to sort this out.
I would be quite worried that future situations or problems would be dealt with iby him in the same way, with him making unrealistic demands of how it should be dealt with, not listening to you when you query it and then putting the onus on you to make it happen or find a solution somehow.
I hope the financial councillor has a sobering effect on him and I hope that you also get some relationship councilling and seriously consider if it would be better to postpone the wedding until you have sorted out some of these basic problems. I wish you all the best of luck, you sound like a very nice person. Its difficult to think about your own priorities first when you are in love etc.. but this is a very very good time for you to do so.

FizzyGreenWater · 11/03/2019 14:26

It's a shame the wedding is so close, but we'll have to go on how dedicated he is in the next few weeks to getting the ball rolling.

He's asked me to book it ASAP

That's how dedicated. Can't even make a phonecall. You do it.

OP you are MUG!!!!!

Whisky2014 · 11/03/2019 14:30

But op don't you see? It's going to be a lot harder to walk away once you are married. If you want to give him a chance,then you shpuld at the very least, postpone the wedding. That way you are in a more stable position. You dont want to marry him and the want to walk away.

Didthatreallyhappen2 · 11/03/2019 14:43

I do wish you luck and happiness together, I truly do. When I got married (many, many years ago now) a wonderful friend told me that there are two things that you can't disagree on in a marriage.

One is whether or not to have children (that's very black and white, obviously). The other thing is your view of money. Are you a spender, a saver, a bit of both or whatever. If you are poles apart in your views to money, do you then complement each other (ie your differing views don't matter and therefore don't worry each other). It sounds to me that whilst your views are poles apart, there is no common ground, and you are very worried about it.

People do change, of course they do, but I can't see where you give any evidence of his desire to change this at all. Personally this would be a deal breaker for me - you don't need to marry to be in a relationship with someone. Good luck whatever you choose to do.

LannieDuck · 11/03/2019 14:47

Out of interest, how much of this wedding has he arranged? I mean actually put some work/effort into?

Because PP are right - he's asking you to do the work of getting him out of debt. He could just as easily make that call as you can.

Dirtybadger · 11/03/2019 15:01

Are you his fucking PA? The absolute cheek of it. Unless he has hearing issues why can't he book it himself?

Enjoy paying his debt off....Sad

Puzzledandpissedoff · 11/03/2019 15:02

At first he spoke over me and put the TV on, saying it's not the right time to talk. Then he shouted at me, telling me I was making him depressed

And this is exactly what will happen again when he cancels the direct debit / doesn't have enough in the account to honour it ... except then it will be "your fault" because you "pushed him into a corner"

Doubtless he's worked out that there aren't many monthly £100s to pay before the June wedding, and doubtless he's worked out too that, once married, he'll get a share of your assets ... quite a good deal for him all round, wouldn't you say?

Good luck, OP; you're going to need it Sad

FinallyHere · 11/03/2019 15:05

Ugh, do you really find this man child soooo attractive that you are prepared to pay for him, for ever. ?

Not my idea of an attractive long term partner.

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