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Fiancé won’t help pay for the wedding!

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CambridgeKat25 · 10/03/2019 00:56

Hi, I need some advice on how to move forward on a problem I have with my fiancé. We’re getting married in June and everything is booked and sorted. We’ve been together for 6 years, living together for 1 and a half, and he’s always paid his half of the bills no problem. However, it’s been a consistent problem that he’s always in debt (large credit card bill each month, living from his overdraft, etc).

When we moved in, his father paid our deposit and the rest of the moving budget was covered by me alone - including all furniture and decorating, totalling many thousands of £ from my savings that I’d sacrificed much to earn (I was only 24 and not in a particularly high paid job). He saw his contribution as the large sum put in by his father. I’ve tried to let this slide and have succeeded until now, when financial tensions have re-surfaced due to the wedding.

He’s insistent he has no money, and budget sheets verify this. We earn the same amount, but with his commuting train fare and large debts, he has very little spare income. I accept this and I’m glad my income is slightly more balanced so I can contribute more to house repairs to take the pressure off us.

However, what spare income he does have isn’t coming to me to pay his debt to me. I paid for most of the wedding myself, and I’ve borrowed the rest from my dad. I am now solely paying dad’s loan back by myself, as well as having more final payments looming - plus everything I’ve already spent. On his side, he’s contributed £100 total. It’s upsetting me and the pressure is too much. I’m a freelancer and don’t exactly have loads left over myself. I also sell some graphic design bits online for extra cash. If this carries on, I’ll need a 3rd job as I can’t pay for an entire wedding like this. I’m not feeling sorry for myself, but it’s nice to get this off my chest.

We’ve had 3 or 4 very big discussions about this but nothing changes, even though he understands the implications on me. He says he has no cash, then he’ll impulse transfer me £50 to shut me up - making it obvious he’s now on zero until payday, and blaming me. I don’t see any regular or impulse payments after this happens. If I kept quiet after this, I’d never see another penny. He isn’t prepared to set up a regular payment as he ‘never knows what he’ll have left.’

Tonight he went for a beer with his friends. Fine, I think, he still needs a life and a beer is only £5. Now I find out he’s gone to another city and is clubbing. When this happens, upwards of £50 will be spent. This will be his only spare money the entire month. I also found out when I was away last week he bought 2 takeaways and lots of beer in my absence.

I am furious that I am sacrificing almost all my activities to pay for this wedding and he is doing nothing. I appreciate he is poor at the moment but I assumed he’d want to help any way he could. I want him to have a life and have fun but in a restrained way so we can equally share the burden and rewards. I’ve been endlessly fair and restrained.

I’ve previously given an ultimatum that I will cancel the wedding if he doesn’t try and save up - but his stubbornness and pride means any difficult conversation is just shut down and never brought back up. Ultimatums and threats are useless if he doesn’t listen.

I am completely lost, frustrated, and scared. He’s not like this about anything other than money. Any ideas how I can resolve this without causing the ‘shut down’ we have no matter how understanding I am in conversation?!

OP posts:
Puzzledandpissedoff · 11/03/2019 16:16

The PP's mention of wedding guests reminds me that, if this goes ahead, many would no doubt give cash as gifts ... nowadays they always do

I wonder what plans he's got for that little lot, and just how long it will take him to blast through it? And yes, I realise that should have read what plans you both have, but please don't imagine you'll get any real say in the matter once he gets his hands on it

Tentomidnight · 11/03/2019 16:18

Financial counselling?

Paid for by... ? YOU

I’d bet my house on you being divorced with huge personal debt within 3 years.

sonjadog · 11/03/2019 16:18

I understand it is so hard to be objective about him when you love him so much. But try to look at your last post with an objective voice. This is a man who when you want to have a serious conversation tries to drown you out with the TV and then when that doesn't work tries to emotionally manipulate you into shutting up by saying you are depressing him. Just as he has successfully got you to shut up previously by turning on the tears. Wouldn't it be nice to be with a man who stop and listened when you have something to discuss, rather than one you have to fight to be heard by?

Secondly, why are you setting up his counseling? Why isn't he doing that himself?

SandAndSea · 11/03/2019 16:18

OP, perhaps sit down and work out all your costs if it goes ahead / if you cancel now / if you wait to cancel.

This might help you to make an informed decision about whether to cancel now or not.

Remember, if you cancel now and get some of your money back, you can always get married more cheaply later on, if he gets his act together.

StormTreader · 11/03/2019 16:38

" If I'd known he was so broke, we would have planned a more modest wedding. He was the one who chose this style wedding, not me. He's been very involved in all other areas."

He's a little old to not realise the link between "what he can afford" and "what he wants". He wanted a fancy wedding so he agreed to it, and left you slogging your guts out trying to fund it.

What happens when he decides he wants a fancy car and you arrive home one day to find it on the driveway with the news that you'll have to find an extra £400 per month for the payments?

Bluntness100 · 11/03/2019 16:42

Op, marriage is a legal commitment, it's imperative you understand what you are getting into here. Before committing.

You need to have a full grasp of all the debts, when they were incurred, how much the interest is, and you need to understand why at his age this debt is not paid down. He is clearly still adding to it.

And why did his dad give him the money for a deposit. What wasn't this used to pay his debts.? Clearly his dad and him know something about his money management that you don't. That paying the deposit was more sensible than paying the debt, because he would just get into more.

Something is very wrong here, this is not still debts he had taken put nine years ago. He is out of control. And marrying you is his financial salvation. It is your downfall. No wonder he is so keen.anyone in his position would be.

I get you're going to go ahead, but you need to sit down and get a full understanding of all his debt, every bit of it, look through all credit cards, bank statements, correlate it, work out the interest,work out what and when the debt was incurred.

And if he won't do it. Then you have your answer. You cannot marry him because he is hiding it from you until you're married and it's too late.

GatherlyGal · 11/03/2019 17:39

This is terribly sad OP. All you were asking is that he make some kind of contribution to his own wedding and he talks over you, turns up the TV and shouts! What will happen when you need to have difficult conversations about other things? Will he shout and cry and refuse to face up to things? As for the ultimatum that stuck I don't believe that's what happened - he just set up the payment to get you off his back. Pushing someone into counselling if they see no need for isn't really a victory.

Sticking around while you were ill and supporting you through depression is great and what you would expect from a partner. But that doesn't somehow make it fair that you bail him out and go without while he's out clubbing.

You are not even married yet. This will be your life. Disappointment, resentment and you doing all the grownup stuff.

Notcoolmum · 11/03/2019 17:45

I still don't think this is about money per se. It's about priorities. And his priorities are not about setting up a home and marrying you.

frazzledasarock · 11/03/2019 18:24

Get him to do a credit check on himself.

You’ll soon see exactly how much debt he has.

And you’re crazy to marry him because he’s set up a standing order to pay you £100 a month towards your wedding.
As soon as you’re married that standing order will be removed from his account and you will have no control over your own money. Because as his wife and legal partner you will be liable for his debts and he’ll have dibs on your assets.

I guarantee ten years down the line you will be in debt to your eyeballs with a shit credit rating probably a couple of kids in tow whom you cannot afford to house and clothe because you’re paying off your partners debts, which will be astronomical, and he’ll be off with some other poor mug who he can leech off of. Whilst you try and claim CSA off him with no luck as he won’t be working.

llangennith · 11/03/2019 18:30

CambridgeKat25 have you ever considered that his immature attitude may well be the cause of your depression?

OrchidInTheSun · 11/03/2019 18:33

You need to think about the legal reality of being married to this man child, not the day where you get to dress up.

Have you read the Sunk Cost Fallacy link that someone posted yesterday? You're still doing it.

GetStrongKeepFighting · 11/03/2019 18:38

You need to postpone. Three months is nothing.

He wants YOU to book the appointment. He wants so badly to be a grown up that he can't make a phone call. You're a fool, Op.

Horsemenoftheaclopalypse · 11/03/2019 18:50

Most depressing update ever

You are ”grateful” he will pay less than half his share, and that he will let you book a financial councillor

🤦‍♀️
Good luck lady...
you’ll need it....

JaneEyre07 · 11/03/2019 18:59

Sorry OP but from your update you sound desperate.

And he's only too aware of it.

I pity you that you don't think you are worth better.

mateysmum · 11/03/2019 19:10

OP I'm sorry but though superficially you think you've made progress in reality I fear you are just postponing the inevitable and the longer you leave it the harder it will be. I bet the direct debit will bounce and the counselling will just be another tactic agreed to to shut you up and stop you hassling him.

Please postpone the wedding. He needs to prove himself over a much longer period than a June wedding permits.

ResistanceIsNecessary · 11/03/2019 19:10

He stuck with you because you are his meal ticket and you are literally keeping the roof over his head.

You are pressing ahead with the wedding because it's already paid for, ignoring the fact that marrying this man will cost you far more in the long run. Look up the sunk costs fallacy.

You are a fool if you marry him. He can't even summon up the gumption to find a financial counsellor and make an appointment!

Once you're married his debts will be taken into account against the financial settlement if you divorce. You'll end up with less simply because he's shit with money.

Walk away.

GirlGang · 11/03/2019 19:15

'He's asked me to book it ASAP'

Oh Christ, it's like watching a car crash.

BoomTish · 11/03/2019 19:32

Ugh, some people are beyond help.

Tentomidnight · 11/03/2019 19:36

OP, I realise that this must all be very difficult to read, but please listen to the unanimous advice.

Greatdomestic1 · 11/03/2019 19:40

After all the advice you have received, you have totally ignored it op.

If you were my daughter I would beg you to canx the wedding until he can prove he is debt free. Have you even told anyone irl about this? If you had, they would say the same.

Good luck with this foolish endeavour to push ahead with the wedding. You're going to need it.

KateMadikane · 11/03/2019 19:45

Do you actually know how much debt he has and what his income is?

Folf · 11/03/2019 20:02

OP.. please remember, these posters aren't part of your life, you can take what advice you think is useful and still get on with your life. Please dont let them bully you into changing your whole life based on the snap shot you've given them.

If you're happy with the decision and feel confident and strong enough to move forward together then great.

youaremyrain · 11/03/2019 20:19

He will pay the £100 a month until you're married then he'll "forget" or something will come up and you'll not see another penny - guaranteed

Petalflowers · 11/03/2019 20:36

He’s had debts since he was 18, and now he is 27. How big are his debts. You need to cut his credit card up now.

Namenic · 11/03/2019 20:51

Sounds like you should postpone the wedding and get finances sorted first? Don’t let the wedding being booked pressure you into getting more financially entangled. Get out of the wedding but stay with him and try and work it through?