Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Marriage in severe danger.

226 replies

Alloverbartheshoutingnow · 25/02/2019 09:53

I’ll try not to drop feed so this might be long.

We’ve been married for 5 years – together for 8. Generally we have a great relationship, on the same wavelength – we just clicked from day one.

He’s been married before and has kids with his ex wife, I’ve never wanted kids so it works for us. There is an age gap of 16 years but this has never been a problem. We’re 43 and 59.

I’m self employed and work away a lot during the week – he works full time. We both earn a good salary but I probably bring home three times as much as he does. But as far as I’m concerned it all goes into the same pot and its never been my money and his money.

Anyway, we had a major argument on Saturday that seemed to come out of no where. We were watching the rugby and I was knitting as I normally do. He made a joke comment about his afternoon BJ (note this is a running joke between us) and I said “when I finish this row”. He was initially in a mood after this but wasn’t forthcoming. Refused to get in the hot tub which we normally do etc. Anyway, says he didn’t want any dinner and stormed upstairs.

I hate arguments and don’t believe in going to bed on an argument or letting things lie so I followed him to try to get him to talk about it.

And that’s when it kicked off. Turns out he feels ignored as all I do every minute of the day when I’m home is knit. I will admit its my default when watching TV but I thought it was just something I did whilst being there. Apparently I don’t talk, if I’m watching TV I just listen to it – got told its like he’s living with someone who’s ignoring him constantly. That all I want to do of a weekend when I’m home is sleep, knit and watch TV as an excuse for knitting. He wasn’t sure why I bothered coming home. And he is right, that is pretty much all I’ve wanted to do recently.

Said to me, how would I like it if I came home and he had his head in a book all weekend and everything was "just let me finish this chapter" because it was the same thing.

I think that was the trigger for it but then a whole load of stuff came out. How he is embarrassed by me these days since I’ve put on 6 stone (was already 4 stone overweight) and that whilst he’s losing weight I’m gaining it. Ironically I’ve lost a stone since Christmas. That when we do go out, I’m forever getting into arguments with people and I’m constantly judging people. That I don’t care enough about what I look like and most of the time I’ll go out looking like a bag lady. He is correct on all these points. I’ve always been the same but I think as I’ve turned 40 I care less about what other people think.

In general he does anything for me, is always the one to make sure I’m ok, put my needs before his and make sure I’m ok and I think I’ve taken him for granted. In fact I know I have. Its really easy to waltz in and treat the house like he’s my personal maid and I’m staying in a hotel.

Told me at one point that he wanted nothing more to do with me and that we were finished. That we’d put the house up for sale and I’d get “my fair share”.

Queue lots of crying and shouting. I phone my friend and his sister (who said she knew her brother and he was just being an arse etc etc) and ultimately I was about to go to a hotel to give him space (I Couldn’t be in the same house and do that).

When I was about to go, he said he didn’t know why but he didn’t want me to go but he was sick of trying to tell me. I am on the spectrum so I know I don’t pick up on the normal cues – I do remember him mentioning stuff but I thought he was joking about it. He said that I should have given him space when he went up to bed and not followed him up and backed him into a corner.

So yesterday we to the town where I stay whilst away to spend the night with family – he was going up to visit his family in Scotland until Thursday. When we stopped for a bite to eat he said “he still didn’t know what to do as you can’t just have an argument like that and forget about it”. I pointed out that I can’t go back and wave a wand and undo anything but I’ve taken on board what he said and I didn’t realise it was coming across the way it was.

He’s now on his way to his Sisters. He did tell me he loved me last night (although he added onto it that I’m a pain in the arse) and gave me a cuddle in bed but he’s still being really distant in general.

Part of me is saying to just leave it and give him space and trying to push it will make it worse. But I’m in bits and barely holding it together in work.

OP posts:
Mintychoc1 · 25/02/2019 11:13

Well OP you have a decision to make. You clearly acknowledge that many of his criticisms are valid, so it's up to you to decide if you want to make some changes, or allow the relationship to end.

If you want to change, then you need to sit down and have a calm discussion with him about what you propose to do - weight loss, more shared activities (rather than knitting) etc.

Holidayshopping · 25/02/2019 11:14

This sounds like a potentially good situation then. He has told you what he’s upset about and you agree woth much of it.

What can you to do change?

ScatteredMama82 · 25/02/2019 11:18

Well it sounds like he has now made it perfectly clear what is bothering him. Are you willing to change? Is he willing to wait and give you chance to change? I think you have to accept that he might not be, but if he is then it really is time to start making an effort OP. Good luck, and well done for not going on the defensive. xx

anniehm · 25/02/2019 11:18

I think it's the sort of row that can be really useful - you have both been able to say and hear long term frustrations. Take the opportunity now to make positive changes - nothing wrong with knitting for instance but if it's obsessively then he has a point. You are away a lot - does that mean he looks after the house so how about getting a cleaner? How about doing physical activity together at weekends and trying to eat healthier during the week (staying away I'm guessing means restaurants a lot).

He needs to be understanding too - knitting can relieve anxiety and maybe you are missing signals but I think you are clear that there's things that do need to change. Best wishes you can work through it

Alloverbartheshoutingnow · 25/02/2019 11:29

Well you see my initial reaction was probably too far the other way.

In the middle of the argument, I bagged up all my knitting stuff into black bags. he was trying to tell me that he thought knitting mattered more than him - so I said fine, I'll throw it all out and I'll never knit in this house again.

Its actually sitting in black bags in the living room as we speak.

I've already started losing weight but I can't do that overnight. I know he wants me to go to the doctors about it but I won't as i've actually lost 8 stone in the past and I know how to do it - its calories in vs calories out. And surgery is not the way I will do it.

I can't do much about the bag lady until I can get into some clothes than are not tents.

We'd actually had the argument over the public arguments on the boat at Christmas and AFAIK I haven't done it since - but then we haven't really been anywhere since. Neither of us have a vast circle of friends so going somewhere is actually quite rare. When we have been out in general I've been well behaved and not made judgy comments about people.

Not sure what else I can do.

OP posts:
Whisky2014 · 25/02/2019 11:37

Hmm I do think you could do something about the clothes. If You wait until you lose weight that will be a fair while before changing. I'd buy some more flattering items now with a view to selling them on.
Also, what about bras..have you had a good fitting recently? Everyday I see women go about in I'll fitting bras. Having good support completely changes a person's silhouette.
Hair trim?
Increase discussions about mutual interests?
Host a dinner party at your home?

Tennesseewhiskey · 25/02/2019 11:41

Your good point are mainly about how much you earn.

Whilst yes, he gets to do stuff because you earn a lot, he also does a lot. If a man was saying a woman was lucky to be with him because he earned alot of money, people would call him a dick.

It's clear, that he feels like you aren't present in any emotional sense.

I also don't think he cut his nose off to spite his face. He has tried several times to speak to you and you have laughed it off. She he ended up going off on one. Most people would.

I am also not surprised the clean tidy house annoys him. He does most of it and you do little, including clearing up after yourself. Again, if I didn't most of the house work and you came home at weekends and didn't do anything I would be annoyed

It seems you think he has to do everything else because you earn more

You may also be a great cook, but if you aren't really there, often I don't see how that's a bonus for him.

He clearly wants a marriage. You aren't present at all and seem to think it was fine because you earn more. That's not ok

Holidayshopping · 25/02/2019 11:45

I can't do much about the bag lady until I can get into some clothes than are not tents.

That sounds like an excuse.

I do like wearing nice clothes - I'm just not girly. I will never and have never (even when a size 8 body builder) worn heels and will never wear them. I tend more to Doc MArtins and combats

That sounds like an excuse as well. I never wear heels but I always look nice and not like a bag lady!

Get a decent bra, some jeans that fit you and a couple of nice longer tops. Nothing expensive-just Sainsburys etc. I wouldn’t want to be in a relationship with someone who freely admits they look a state.

MashedSpud · 25/02/2019 11:45

You like knitting. He was just pissed you weren’t all over his genitals during the rugby (how romantic....). Is he giving up rugby too?

Take charge of your weight for you and your health and tell him to spend time working on his foreplay techniques.

WinterSunglasses · 25/02/2019 11:48

Do you think he'd agree to try couples counselling OP? Could you send a message saying you will give him some space but would like to talk when you both feel ready?

ScatteredMama82 · 25/02/2019 12:11

You don't need to give up your knitting. I get why you bagged it all up and said you'd bin it, that's the kind of thing I'd do, lol! It's daft though, and totally unnecessary. Can you do knitting while you're away? It could be a good way to fill the evening and keep your hands busy instead of snacking for instance? Then when you are home you can spend time doing things together with your DH? Now the evenings are getting lighter why don't you ask him to come for a nightly walk with you - it will help with your weight loss, it's a good chance to talk with no distractions.

Alloverbartheshoutingnow · 25/02/2019 12:21

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

goldengummybear · 25/02/2019 12:21

Knit when you're away on business or when he's out.

You don't have to give him blowjobs during the rugby but you might want to use your hands for holding hands, cuddling during the rugby instead,

He is not unreasonable about the housework. It's highly disrespectful not to pick up after yourself.

Earning well is all and good but that only makes you a good partner if the person is a gold digger who isn't attracted to you.,

He isn't unreasonable to want you to take care of yourself. You don't have to wear heels and dresses but if you cba to love yourself enough to take care of yourself, why would others?

The arguing - can totally see why that's annoying. Just nod politely along - it's not a court room. If the subject is politics or religion it's especially important to do this as you aren't going to change anyone's idea.

It sounds like you're in a funk and I hope that you can get out of it.

VietnameseCrispyFish · 25/02/2019 12:30

If he’s saying it’s over then it’s over. Show him the respect of that at least, instead of making it an acrimonious split.

Alloverbartheshoutingnow · 25/02/2019 12:31

I can't believe its over if he still loves me - if he didnt love me it would be different

OP posts:
Holidayshopping · 25/02/2019 12:33

Ah-have seen your latest text messages. That changes things.

It sounds like he doesn’t want to be in a relationship anymore. Sorry, OP :(

Lweji · 25/02/2019 12:45

I've read your posts, OP, and it's probably a case of both are at fault, but when he says he doesn't care, it's the end, sorry.

That's when my marriage was over. It turned nasty because he tried to get reactions out of me, but I really didn't care about him.

You can't say now that you'll change, because that's just words. I wouldn't believe it.

Do both of you a big favour and let the marriage go amicably.

ScatteredMama82 · 25/02/2019 12:48

OP I'm so sorry to read this. You can't make him want to try if he's decided he has had enough. I'm curious about the flirting with the train guard. How did that comment come about, did he text you to tell you he was flirting? If so it sounds like he is trying to get a reaction from you :(

HollowTalk · 25/02/2019 12:49

It sounds as though he's been pushed to his limit. The best thing to do would be to leave him alone now. He wants time to think now and if you keep sending messages it will make things worse.

goldengummybear · 25/02/2019 12:52

Depends how you define love OP. If it's changed from partners to a more brother/sister relationship then I can see why he's unhappy,

Flamingosnbears · 25/02/2019 12:58

Sounds to me like your both just stuck in a rut could you not both book some time off together and have a break away or a couple of date nights write a letter to him tell him how you feel for him before you go away.

You both need a good heart to heart.

poglets · 25/02/2019 13:00

Do you really cause arguments with stranger when you go out? Whether her facts are wrong or not - what kind of complex do you have where you feel it is essential that you correct her (a stranger) to the point you won't drop it and make everyone (including your poor husband) uncomfortable? You were then stuck bumping in to those people for the rest of the trip. It must have been excruciating and ruined the holiday.

Why do you think you have the right to make a mess and leave someone else to clean up after you? Is it because you earn more money. You have treated your husband with contempt for five years. You say you love him. Don't say it. Show him. In your actions.

Instead of spending time correcting strangers, you should spend a bit more time reflecting on what kind of person you are. Take some pride in yourself, value your husband and stop being argumentative. I'm sorry, but causing arguments every time you go out is intolerable. And you have been told this by him. Why didn't you listen?

FineWordsForAPorcupine · 25/02/2019 13:07

I'm sorry op, it sounds like your husband has reached the end of the road. You say that you have had a "light bulb moment" but to him, it sounds like these are issues he had spent YEARS bringing up. You say yourself that you always laughed it off/assumed he was joking - the only reason you are finally taking him seriously is because suddenly there are consequences FOR YOU.

I don't want to kick you when you're down, but all these promises to change sound very hollow - you would be doing it to "keep him" not because you were genuinely different now. And as for him saying he still loves you - a) it's feels very harsh to tell someone you no longer love them, even if it is the truth, and b) it is possible to care about someone very much but not want to be married to them.

FineWordsForAPorcupine · 25/02/2019 13:13

...also, you say repeatedly in your messages that he "needs to give you a chance to show you've changed" and that you can only show him you're different if he let's you prove it, etc.

He doesn't owe you another chance (and I would guess he's given you many, many in the past), nor would he be obligated to stay with you even if you did. He gets to say if he thinks the relationship is over, and I'm afraid it sounds like that is what he is saying.

ElspethFlashman · 25/02/2019 13:13

Honestly that text exchange seems to imply this has been brewing for a long time.

And he's just tired.

Perhaps he's right, perhaps you are just not well suited. He clearly doesn't care about the holidays. He cares about the day to day and you are poles apart there.